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Seems that the concept of going to 20 conference games by the Power conferences (includes the Big East) will give them more at-large bid and less at-large bids for the non-power conferences.

Probably so as if you have less chances of playing power teams, there isn't enough opportunities to strengthen your conference.

I'd like to see the modeling they've done to reach the conclusion it will hurt non-power 5.

The hallmark of the mid-pack P5 schools has been load up non-conference with patsies get a nice record and hope to hang around .500 in league play. Likely deducting one or two wins from the win column doesn't look like a formula for more bids.

Ironicly, the only conf to play 20 [MAAC] is droping down to 18

Fox told BE to expand or improve thier non-conf
BE went to 20 games, to improve inventory

P6 got 34 out of 38 bids last yr,
NIT maybe is the promblem

(10-17-2017 02:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'd like to see the modeling they've done to reach the conclusion it will hurt non-power 5.

The hallmark of the mid-pack P5 schools has been load up non-conference with patsies get a nice record and hope to hang around .500 in league play. Likely deducting one or two wins from the win column doesn't look like a formula for more bids.

It means (if it works) that everybody has to drop a body-bag home game or two, which bring down your RPI and therefore everyone else's RPI and SOS, replacing them with a pair of decent-RPI conference games. 19-12 with better RPI/SOS is more likely to get you to the First Four than 21-10 with worse RPI/SOS anyway.

(10-17-2017 04:07 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'd like to see the modeling they've done to reach the conclusion it will hurt non-power 5.

The hallmark of the mid-pack P5 schools has been load up non-conference with patsies get a nice record and hope to hang around .500 in league play. Likely deducting one or two wins from the win column doesn't look like a formula for more bids.

It means (if it works) that everybody has to drop a body-bag home game or two, which bring down your RPI and therefore everyone else's RPI and SOS, replacing them with a pair of decent-RPI conference games. 19-12 with better RPI/SOS is more likely to get you to the First Four than 21-10 with worse RPI/SOS anyway.

really not sure if that will be the impact though. the schools need the specific number of home dates, even for basketball. Teams normally have at least 14-15 home dates. So if they have 20 conference games, then 3-4 game exempt tournament, and then conference challenge- you are up to 25 games say, with at the very most only 12 home dates. Of the final 6 games, teams would need to have bare minimum 3 home games, and quite frankly at least 4. And for those that play in one of those 3 game neutral site tournaments and a road game- they would have of the 25 games known only 11 home dates. They would need at least 4 if not 5 home dates.

I think the mid tier games are the ones that get knocked out.

(10-17-2017 02:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'd like to see the modeling they've done to reach the conclusion it will hurt non-power 5.

The hallmark of the mid-pack P5 schools has been load up non-conference with patsies get a nice record and hope to hang around .500 in league play. Likely deducting one or two wins from the win column doesn't look like a formula for more bids.

Right.

(10-17-2017 02:45 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/trickle-dow...schedules/

Seems that the concept of going to 20 conference games by the Power conferences (includes the Big East) will give them more at-large bid and less at-large bids for the non-power conferences.

Probably so as if you have less chances of playing power teams, there isn't enough opportunities to strengthen your conference.

Poor Gonzaga will never make the NCAAT playing in the WCC.

(10-19-2017 03:16 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:45 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/trickle-dow...schedules/

Seems that the concept of going to 20 conference games by the Power conferences (includes the Big East) will give them more at-large bid and less at-large bids for the non-power conferences.

Probably so as if you have less chances of playing power teams, there isn't enough opportunities to strengthen your conference.

Poor Gonzaga will never make the NCAAT playing in the WCC.

The P5 schools are always going to find room for non P5/BE schools like Gonzaga, St. Mary's, UConn, Cincinnati, SMU, Memphis, Wichita State, etc. Playing those schools OOC is better for the tournament resume and fan interest than playing the bottom feeders within the power conferences.

(10-19-2017 03:18 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 03:16 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:45 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/trickle-dow...schedules/

Seems that the concept of going to 20 conference games by the Power conferences (includes the Big East) will give them more at-large bid and less at-large bids for the non-power conferences.

Probably so as if you have less chances of playing power teams, there isn't enough opportunities to strengthen your conference.

Poor Gonzaga will never make the NCAAT playing in the WCC.

The P5 schools are always going to find room for non P5/BE schools like Gonzaga, St. Mary's, UConn, Cincinnati, SMU, Memphis, Wichita State, etc. Playing those schools OOC is better for the tournament resume and fan interest than playing the bottom feeders within the power conferences.

Going from 18 to 20 conference games means that most P5 schools will swap two home games against mid-majors for one home and one away conference game. If that is problematic from a scheduling or revenue perspective I would not be surprised to see a push to amend the NCAA rules to bump up by two games the current maximum limits, which are either (A) 29 games or (B) 27 plus no more than 4 games in a non-conference regular season tournament.

(10-19-2017 03:16 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:45 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/trickle-dow...schedules/

Seems that the concept of going to 20 conference games by the Power conferences (includes the Big East) will give them more at-large bid and less at-large bids for the non-power conferences.

Probably so as if you have less chances of playing power teams, there isn't enough opportunities to strengthen your conference.

Poor Gonzaga will never make the NCAAT playing in the WCC.

It's not about a single team as there are exceptions...its trying to build your conference to get multiple bids who are mid-majors. Playing less P5+BE schools may give the mid-major conferences less opportunities for at-large bids.

(10-19-2017 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 03:16 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:45 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  https://www.fanragsports.com/trickle-dow...schedules/

Seems that the concept of going to 20 conference games by the Power conferences (includes the Big East) will give them more at-large bid and less at-large bids for the non-power conferences.

Probably so as if you have less chances of playing power teams, there isn't enough opportunities to strengthen your conference.

Poor Gonzaga will never make the NCAAT playing in the WCC.

It's not about a single team as there are exceptions...its trying to build your conference to get multiple bids who are mid-majors. Playing less P5+BE schools may give the mid-major conferences less opportunities for at-large bids.

Right. It doesn't hurt Gonzaga, but it could mean that Cal drops the St Mary's game, which hurts St MAry's chances for an at-large bid.

If the Big East goes to 20 games, a school like Rhode Island probably still plays in-state rival Providence, but Seton Hall doesn't have a strong reason to keep them on the schedule.

(Those two examples drawn from quickly looking at this year's schedules for St Marys who plays Cal and Dayton who plays Rhode Island who plays PRovidence and Seton Hall.)

On the other hand, there are now so few at-large bids that go to the non-BCS conferences (4/36) that this is more about the power conferences jockeying with each other for at-large bids.