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RE: Declining football participation
(10-18-2017 05:29 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Thing is despite the hype that you MUST specialize, the guys who get the coaches lusting after them tend to be guys playing two or more sports.

Yup. This is a tweet that Gil Brandt, former Dallas Cowboys GM, wrote after this year's NFL draft.

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When a coach pressures your kid into not playing 2 sports tell him to stick it in his ear ... 222 of 253 drafted in 2017 played 2 HS sports.

1:26 PM - 12 May 2017

Had a coach tell me he loves the two sport guys because they aren't as drilled into doing things the way some amateur or semi-amateur coach told them to do things. Having different experiences, they are easier to coach.
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RE: Declining football participation
(10-19-2017 10:53 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 05:29 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Thing is despite the hype that you MUST specialize, the guys who get the coaches lusting after them tend to be guys playing two or more sports.

Yup. This is a tweet that Gil Brandt, former Dallas Cowboys GM, wrote after this year's NFL draft.

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When a coach pressures your kid into not playing 2 sports tell him to stick it in his ear ... 222 of 253 drafted in 2017 played 2 HS sports.

1:26 PM - 12 May 2017

Had a coach tell me he loves the two sport guys because they aren't as drilled into doing things the way some amateur or semi-amateur coach told them to do things. Having different experiences, they are easier to coach.

It makes total sense. By playing different sports, you're working on different muscles and adopting different skills instead of having the same repetition over and over again when you only play one sport. A football player that has the footwork of a basketball player or hand-eye coordination of a baseball player is invaluable (and in turn, football skills are similarly transferable to other sports).

Of course, if you've been drafted by the NFL, you will almost certainly have such immense athletic talent that the ability to switch between different sports is a lot different than for most of us plebeians. I played against a few guys in high school that made it to the NFL and they were at an entirely different skill level than any of us... at *basketball*. Allen Iverson was a superstar high school QB, there's a long line of NFL QBs that were also drafted by MLB teams, etc. So, it's almost a chicken-or-the-egg scenario. If you're such an elite level athlete that you can make it to the NFL/NBA/MLB, you inherently have the ability/talent to play a whole slew of other sports at a very high level.
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RE: Declining football participation
(10-19-2017 11:40 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 10:53 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 05:29 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Thing is despite the hype that you MUST specialize, the guys who get the coaches lusting after them tend to be guys playing two or more sports.

Yup. This is a tweet that Gil Brandt, former Dallas Cowboys GM, wrote after this year's NFL draft.

Quote:Gil Brandt‏
@Gil_Brandt

When a coach pressures your kid into not playing 2 sports tell him to stick it in his ear ... 222 of 253 drafted in 2017 played 2 HS sports.

1:26 PM - 12 May 2017

Had a coach tell me he loves the two sport guys because they aren't as drilled into doing things the way some amateur or semi-amateur coach told them to do things. Having different experiences, they are easier to coach.

It makes total sense. By playing different sports, you're working on different muscles and adopting different skills instead of having the same repetition over and over again when you only play one sport. A football player that has the footwork of a basketball player or hand-eye coordination of a baseball player is invaluable (and in turn, football skills are similarly transferable to other sports).

Of course, if you've been drafted by the NFL, you will almost certainly have such immense athletic talent that the ability to switch between different sports is a lot different than for most of us plebeians. I played against a few guys in high school that made it to the NFL and they were at an entirely different skill level than any of us... at *basketball*. Allen Iverson was a superstar high school QB, there's a long line of NFL QBs that were also drafted by MLB teams, etc. So, it's almost a chicken-or-the-egg scenario. If you're such an elite level athlete that you can make it to the NFL/NBA/MLB, you inherently have the ability/talent to play a whole slew of other sports at a very high level.

We used to refer to guys like this as Natural Athlete's, they could play any sport they choose at a high level
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RE: Declining football participation
(10-19-2017 11:40 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 10:53 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 05:29 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 04:17 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Thing is despite the hype that you MUST specialize, the guys who get the coaches lusting after them tend to be guys playing two or more sports.

Yup. This is a tweet that Gil Brandt, former Dallas Cowboys GM, wrote after this year's NFL draft.

Quote:Gil Brandt‏
@Gil_Brandt

When a coach pressures your kid into not playing 2 sports tell him to stick it in his ear ... 222 of 253 drafted in 2017 played 2 HS sports.

1:26 PM - 12 May 2017

Had a coach tell me he loves the two sport guys because they aren't as drilled into doing things the way some amateur or semi-amateur coach told them to do things. Having different experiences, they are easier to coach.

It makes total sense. By playing different sports, you're working on different muscles and adopting different skills instead of having the same repetition over and over again when you only play one sport. A football player that has the footwork of a basketball player or hand-eye coordination of a baseball player is invaluable (and in turn, football skills are similarly transferable to other sports).

Of course, if you've been drafted by the NFL, you will almost certainly have such immense athletic talent that the ability to switch between different sports is a lot different than for most of us plebeians. I played against a few guys in high school that made it to the NFL and they were at an entirely different skill level than any of us... at *basketball*. Allen Iverson was a superstar high school QB, there's a long line of NFL QBs that were also drafted by MLB teams, etc. So, it's almost a chicken-or-the-egg scenario. If you're such an elite level athlete that you can make it to the NFL/NBA/MLB, you inherently have the ability/talent to play a whole slew of other sports at a very high level.
Unrelated (mostly) but heard a soccer commentator say the US was the only place where players WANT to play goal keeper because they play other sports and value defense more and better understand defensive concepts.

A baseball player learns attack angles better than the typical football player because they get so many more reps trying to head off the ball. Basketball players tend to have good footwork and understand how to guard without too much contact.

Playing other sports gives many more reps with skills that translate to football and the typical football player wouldn't get those reps in normal practice.
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It's not surprising that football participation rates are declining. Some of it is due to population shift, so some areas are being affected earlier than others. Over all, I expect this to continue until it hits a stabilization point.

When you factor in the comments Frank made earlier about how the intense competition is trickling down to the lower school grades, I think this will also be a significant contributor to continued declines in sports participation. This is out of necessity because the travel teams only want the best athletes. They're not going to put up with having the overweight glasses wearing kid trying to hit the winning run home because a much more talented player got injured ala one of your typical storylines we were fed as kids.

On top of that, travel team participation can be marriage killers, and at a minimum put unnecessary strains on families. How in the hell do you have 2 working parents with 3 kids each on their own travel team - maybe their own sport - juggle all of this when some slap ass douche rocket coach wants Sat and Sun practice time??? Fvck that. We ensured that our kids had a good balance, and WE monitored how much the kids took on at young ages. If you leave it up to the kids, they'll one to do a sh!t ton of activities - which IMHO is no different than trusting your kid not to gorge himself/herself on candy and get sick...
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New football equipment aims to reduce concussions

https://www.ktnv.com/sports/new-football...oncussions
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(10-17-2017 12:59 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think we're seeing that specialization at all levels of youth sports and it's getting more and more intense.

I spoke to the basketball coach at the middle school (*not* high school) that my kids will attend in a couple of years and he said that a kid isn't realistically making a middle school basketball team in our district today without multiple years of travel team experience. You can say the same for soccer and baseball. Once again, we're talking about *middle* school (not high school).

Here in NC, middle school sports are 2nd tier at best, maybe lower. The travel teams prefer, if not demand, that kids not play middle school sports. There is some risk involved but most travel leagues have restrictions on playing and practice time. They don't want to see that eaten up by middle school sports.
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Maricopa County Community Colleges just ended the football programs at all four colleges in the Phoenix area that had them - Phoenix, Mesa, Glendale and Scottsdale.
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The ever clueless Dennis Dodd is surprised that the decline is accelerating. The reasons are obvious and numerous. IMO FB peaked a few years ago, maybe five or more years ago. The decline in game day attendance is a clear sign of more trouble ahead. And yes declining High School participation is one of those big reasons - it's a sport "other people" play, not me for the generation coming of age and those growing up.

https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status...5823509504
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College football suffers sharpest per-game attendance decline in 34 years, second-largest ever. What the heck?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-34-years/
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Looking at the numbers, it looks like 2010 was the peak year, when FBS averaged 46,632. This year 42,203. That represents a 10.4% decline in 7 years.

The south, as represented by the SEC, was typically behind the curve and probably holding up the numbers for half a dozen years, peaking in 2015 at 78,630, and fell to 75,074, which is still a 4.7% drop from peak. If the SEC follows pattern, just a few years behind, then a big drop is coming for national averages.

More evidence we are probably already past peak.
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