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I've posted this before, but it's still relevant.

In addition to the steps discussed in the other threads, how do you "re-emphasize" a program?

From Froggy Williams memoirs
http://ricehistoricalsociety.org/images/...sNeely.pdf

In 1961 Kenneth Pitzer was selected the
new president of Rice University. It is known
that Dr. Pitzer was not a fan of big-time
athletics. Probably in 1962 a decision was made
to de-emphasize football. It was very simple to
implement.

Neely, the athletic director and head football
coach, was advised that there would be thirty
scholarships a year granted to the football
program. It is not certain how many had been
granted previously but it was probably forty-five
or fifty. In fact, it is probable that there were no
limitations at all.

Neely, being a strict and frugal man, would
not have gone overboard in granting scholarships.
It was common knowledge that the state
universities were averaging somewhere in the
range of ninety to a hundred per year. There was
no limit except by way of limitation of talented
high school graduates who could compete at the
college level in the Southwest Conference.
It is suggested that possibly the board could
be advised that this was a recipe for disaster for
the whole athletic program, since the revenues
from football were substantial enough to carry
the diverse programs. Neely’s answer was
somewhat astonishing: his position was that he
could have a successful program with a limit of
thirty scholarships.

To this day it has been wondered if Neely
was so self-confident that he was unconcerned.
The other alternative might have been that he
had become arrogant because he had done well
for twenty years and was certain that he could
continue to do so under the new circumstances.
One thing for certain is that Neely, as far as is
known, did not heavily resist the new constraints.
As a matter of fact, he explained that if the
program is too big, it gets unwieldy, which is a
detriment to success.

Whatever his feelings were, this decision to
de-emphasize football would haunt the Rice
athletic program for twenty years. It should
be acknowledged that there were some poor
choices for hiring along the way, but once the
program got to the bottom, it was extremely
difficult to reverse the fortunes of the university.
It is also a fact that somewhere along the way
the NCAA limited the number of scholarships
to thirty a year. However, the Rice program has
been difficult to turn around.
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Neely is also the guy that, right before leaving Clemson, told Frank Howard that he should expand Clemson's stands to a capacity of no more than 10,000, because that was all Neely thought Howard would ever need.

The more I know about Neely, the more he seems like the opposite of what we have now, at least in football. Neely was a guy that felt like he could win with limitations, and he even embraced limitations if he thought that they existed to protect the integrity of a program.

At Rice, we could certainly do with better plans to deal with our limitations and turn a few of them to our advantage. But we could also use a coach like Neely right about now, even if his is a dying breed, especially in D1.
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Neely played One Platoon Football. In those days, if you asked what position a player played, the answer would be something like "center and linebacker" or "wingback and safety". So perhaps Neely thought he could get by with a core squad of 15-20 top notch players. If your top 20 can beat their top 20, who cares how many others are standing on the sideline? We had 22 scholarship freshmen my freshman year, 1963.

The problem, of course, is depth, and we did have some really key injuries back then, career-enders. Of course it is fashionable now to say injuries do not count, but if you lost 4 of those top 20, that was a big blow.

There were other things that contributed to the fall of football. One thing was that we were late to integrate the university and team.
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I remember when it would take 5 minutes for the whole UT team to run on to the field.
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Rice could compete when Texas High School football was king, and the SWC was held in high regard and student athletes chose between what type of school and or education they wanted.
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The whole SWC was late to integrate. The 1969 game of the century with Texas against Arkansas was played without a single black player. The first recruit class with a large number of blacks in the SWC was A&M's in 1972. UH had also recruited many in the late 1960s but did not play in the SWC until 1976.

Neely probably did not want to do what Royal did at Texas which was to bring in a hundred freshman and run off the ones he did not want. The ones that were run off were denied to other SWC schools and went to schools like Stephen F. Austin etc.

(10-16-2017 04:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Neely played One Platoon Football. In those days, if you asked what position a player played, the answer would be something like "center and linebacker" or "wingback and safety". So perhaps Neely thought he could get by with a core squad of 15-20 top notch players. If your top 20 can beat their top 20, who cares how many others are standing on the sideline? We had 22 scholarship freshmen my freshman year, 1963.

The problem, of course, is depth, and we did have some really key injuries back then, career-enders. Of course it is fashionable now to say injuries do not count, but if you lost 4 of those top 20, that was a big blow.

There were other things that contributed to the fall of football. One thing was that we were late to integrate the university and team.
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The whole SWC was late to integrate. The 1969 game of the century with Texas against Arkansas was played without a single black player. The first recruit class with a large number of blacks in the SWC was A&M's in 1972. UH had also recruited many in the late 1960s but did not play in the SWC until 1976.

Neely probably did not want to do what Royal did at Texas which was to bring in a hundred freshman and run off the ones he did not want. The ones that were run off were denied to other SWC schools and went to schools like Stephen F. Austin etc.

(10-16-2017 04:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Neely played One Platoon Football. In those days, if you asked what position a player played, the answer would be something like "center and linebacker" or "wingback and safety". So perhaps Neely thought he could get by with a core squad of 15-20 top notch players. If your top 20 can beat their top 20, who cares how many others are standing on the sideline? We had 22 scholarship freshmen my freshman year, 1963.

The problem, of course, is depth, and we did have some really key injuries back then, career-enders. Of course it is fashionable now to say injuries do not count, but if you lost 4 of those top 20, that was a big blow.

There were other things that contributed to the fall of football. One thing was that we were late to integrate the university and team.
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