(10-16-2017 07:39 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 07:32 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 06:32 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The positiv with Childers is that his incompletions are not picks like with Santa

I think that it would be far easier to coach up a talented QB that can execute the full playbook to limit his mistakes than to coach up a QB that has shown no ability to complete passes downfield.

Carey is a safe player and to quote John Tortorella (the Columbus Blue Jackets hockey coach) "safe is death". This applies to football as well as hockey.

At this point I can only hope that Childers has more talent throwing the ball than he has shown so far in live game action. Perhaps he does, I hope that all of the QBs are being graded for each and every play both in practice and in live action.

This team has a lot of talent and I had begun to believe that they had a legit chance at a MAC championship. I just don't think we have a great chance of doing that when playing not to make mistakes rather than playing aggressively.

Yea I think Carey got lulled into a sense of security having beaten Kent State and then a Buffalo team that spent half the game with its 3rd string QB, with Childers. We aren't going to be beat Toledo with 14 points, and Toledo or WMU will stack the box knowing we can't beat them deep. So we won't be able to run the ball, Childers will complete a lot of short passes, and we won't score much.

No good options but Childers is the best Right now so kudos to Carey for making the right move albeit 2 months too late. Huskies were not beating Toledo this year anyway

(10-16-2017 07:39 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 07:32 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 06:32 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The positiv with Childers is that his incompletions are not picks like with Santa

I think that it would be far easier to coach up a talented QB that can execute the full playbook to limit his mistakes than to coach up a QB that has shown no ability to complete passes downfield.

Carey is a safe player and to quote John Tortorella (the Columbus Blue Jackets hockey coach) "safe is death". This applies to football as well as hockey.

At this point I can only hope that Childers has more talent throwing the ball than he has shown so far in live game action. Perhaps he does, I hope that all of the QBs are being graded for each and every play both in practice and in live action.

This team has a lot of talent and I had begun to believe that they had a legit chance at a MAC championship. I just don't think we have a great chance of doing that when playing not to make mistakes rather than playing aggressively.

Yea I think Carey got lulled into a sense of security having beaten Kent State and then a Buffalo team that spent half the game with its 3rd string QB, with Childers. We aren't going to be beat Toledo with 14 points, and Toledo or WMU will stack the box knowing we can't beat them deep. So we won't be able to run the ball, Childers will complete a lot of short passes, and we won't score much.

Yep from here on out there's no doubt they are going to start stacking the box against Childers. We will find out real quick if he can adapt. We play like we did against Buffalo and we will lose to Toledo and one of the Michigans.

That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

(10-16-2017 10:29 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 07:39 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 07:32 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 06:32 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The positiv with Childers is that his incompletions are not picks like with Santa

I think that it would be far easier to coach up a talented QB that can execute the full playbook to limit his mistakes than to coach up a QB that has shown no ability to complete passes downfield.

Carey is a safe player and to quote John Tortorella (the Columbus Blue Jackets hockey coach) "safe is death". This applies to football as well as hockey.

At this point I can only hope that Childers has more talent throwing the ball than he has shown so far in live game action. Perhaps he does, I hope that all of the QBs are being graded for each and every play both in practice and in live action.

This team has a lot of talent and I had begun to believe that they had a legit chance at a MAC championship. I just don't think we have a great chance of doing that when playing not to make mistakes rather than playing aggressively.

Yea I think Carey got lulled into a sense of security having beaten Kent State and then a Buffalo team that spent half the game with its 3rd string QB, with Childers. We aren't going to be beat Toledo with 14 points, and Toledo or WMU will stack the box knowing we can't beat them deep. So we won't be able to run the ball, Childers will complete a lot of short passes, and we won't score much.

Yep from here on out there's no doubt they are going to start stacking the box against Childers. We will find out real quick if he can adapt. We play like we did against Buffalo and we will lose to Toledo and one of the Michigans.

That's good because of all the QBs, I think Childers will end up having the best and most accurate arm also

(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

LOL....True dat....But I think with Santa they stack 8 and with Childers 9.

(10-17-2017 07:15 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

LOL....True dat....But I think with Santa they stack 8 and with Childers 9.

By the 4th Q against SDSU their DBs were 4 across the Corners were 8 yards off the LOS; the Safties were 12-13 yards off the LOS

(10-17-2017 08:07 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 07:15 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

LOL....True dat....But I think with Santa they stack 8 and with Childers 9.

By the 4th Q against SDSU their DBs were 4 across the Corners were 8 yards off the LOS; the Safties were 12-13 yards off the LOS

Yeah, it's not just guys in the box. The entire secondary can move up. The corners can go press coverage and safeties will creep up. BC did that. You could see all 11 defenders in the picture when the ball is snapped.

Somewhat related...as we could use some speed to keep the defense honest.

Where's Wesley been? He had 3 catches at Nebraska. Last 3 games... 1 catch vs KSU.

(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

Against EIU Huff had 11-88 yds, Nebraska he had 16-105 yards and SDSU he had 22 carries for 148 yards. If that's stacking the box, I'm fine with it.

(10-17-2017 08:41 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:07 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 07:15 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

LOL....True dat....But I think with Santa they stack 8 and with Childers 9.

By the 4th Q against SDSU their DBs were 4 across the Corners were 8 yards off the LOS; the Safties were 12-13 yards off the LOS

Yeah, it's not just guys in the box. The entire secondary can move up. The corners can go press coverage and safeties will creep up. BC did that. You could see all 11 defenders in the picture when the ball is snapped.

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Rabid said exactly what I meant, but our know it all poster needed to chime in.

BC knew that Graham couldn't hit the deep ball to save his life. Can Childers against MAC teams? I hope so and we will find out soon enough, but from what we have seen so far doesn't lead me to believe he can.

(10-16-2017 04:14 PM)NILAW Wrote:  At least we can stop speculating who will start against BG. I am glad Carey made the decision; time will tell if it is the correct decision.

I think Carey looks to the SDSU game as not only the end-zone pick, but also the earlier pick 6 by Santa resulted in a 10-14 point turnaround that cost us the game. Yes, that does overlook all that Santa did good in that game, but knowing Carey’s conservative approach I can see that as being his thinking.

Early last week after throwing Graham was sore. I have not seen anything this week; however, he was supposed to be out 2-4 weeks and we are at now at over 6 weeks. So, whatever the shoulder injury was it appears it was worse than initially thought or Graham is not coming back as expected.

It appears to me that it is now Childers job to lose. Even when Graham is 100% I don’t see Carey going with him, unless Childers played himself out of the job.

Can the team afford Graham and his injury history to be the starting QB? If Graham gets the majority of the practice reps, when healthy, and then gets injured in a big game then the backups come in rusty.

Vs. Having Santa or Childers grow, learn and improve hopefully in time for wmu and toledo.

I'm thinking the latter.

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(10-16-2017 07:39 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 07:32 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 06:32 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  The positiv with Childers is that his incompletions are not picks like with Santa

I think that it would be far easier to coach up a talented QB that can execute the full playbook to limit his mistakes than to coach up a QB that has shown no ability to complete passes downfield.

Carey is a safe player and to quote John Tortorella (the Columbus Blue Jackets hockey coach) "safe is death". This applies to football as well as hockey.

At this point I can only hope that Childers has more talent throwing the ball than he has shown so far in live game action. Perhaps he does, I hope that all of the QBs are being graded for each and every play both in practice and in live action.

This team has a lot of talent and I had begun to believe that they had a legit chance at a MAC championship. I just don't think we have a great chance of doing that when playing not to make mistakes rather than playing aggressively.

Yea I think Carey got lulled into a sense of security having beaten Kent State and then a Buffalo team that spent half the game with its 3rd string QB, with Childers. We aren't going to be beat Toledo with 14 points, and Toledo or WMU will stack the box knowing we can't beat them deep. So we won't be able to run the ball, Childers will complete a lot of short passes, and we won't score much.

Yep. That is my fear too. We cant ask the defense to keep teams under 20 every game.

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(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

So true. Just count the number of 1-1 fly patterns we have thrown each game. Teams are not scared that we can complete those passes. Chandler needs to complete those passes now to keep defenses honest the rest of the season.

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(10-17-2017 08:07 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 07:15 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

LOL....True dat....But I think with Santa they stack 8 and with Childers 9.

By the 4th Q against SDSU their DBs were 4 across the Corners were 8 yards off the LOS; the Safties were 12-13 yards off the LOS

Fyi, Sdsu plays 5 corners in a 3-3-5 defense. One of the few in the country with that scheme. Perhaps they shifted late in the game.

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(10-17-2017 12:53 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

So true. Just count the number of 1-1 fly patterns we have thrown each game. Teams are not scared that we can complete those passes. Chandler needs to complete those passes now to keep defenses honest the rest of the season.

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Oops. Flashback. I meant Childers.

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(10-17-2017 12:56 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:07 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 07:15 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

LOL....True dat....But I think with Santa they stack 8 and with Childers 9.

By the 4th Q against SDSU their DBs were 4 across the Corners were 8 yards off the LOS; the Safties were 12-13 yards off the LOS

Fyi, Sdsu plays 5 corners in a 3-3-5 defense. One of the few in the country with that scheme. Perhaps they shifted late in the game.

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I remember the announcers saying that SDSU adjusted their D later in the game to give help to the SDSU cornerback that was unable to cover Blake 1-on-1. Not sure if that's what you're referring to or something else.

(10-17-2017 09:22 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  Somewhat related...as we could use some speed to keep the defense honest.

Where's Wesley been? He had 3 catches at Nebraska. Last 3 games... 1 catch vs KSU.

Good question, I don't know. Has he even been on the field? Maybe he's in the doghouse with Huff and Santa.

(10-17-2017 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 09:22 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  Somewhat related...as we could use some speed to keep the defense honest.

Where's Wesley been? He had 3 catches at Nebraska. Last 3 games... 1 catch vs KSU.

Good question, I don't know. Has he even been on the field? Maybe he's in the doghouse with Huff and Santa.

Huff has 50 more carries than the next RB on the roster. The only reason it's not more than that is because he got hurt Saturday. He's not in the doghouse.

(10-17-2017 02:38 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 09:22 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  Somewhat related...as we could use some speed to keep the defense honest.

Where's Wesley been? He had 3 catches at Nebraska. Last 3 games... 1 catch vs KSU.

Good question, I don't know. Has he even been on the field? Maybe he's in the doghouse with Huff and Santa.

Huff has 50 more carries than the next RB on the roster. The only reason it's not more than that is because he got hurt Saturday. He's not in the doghouse.

I'm exaggerating with regard to Huff since he isn't in there now but he probably has a section of the doghouse reserved for him (and he's probably on a short leash, pun intended). If he fumbles the ball he'll probably go back in there for the rest of the year.

(10-17-2017 12:59 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:53 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote:  That would imply teams haven't been stacking the box against NIU all year lol

So true. Just count the number of 1-1 fly patterns we have thrown each game. Teams are not scared that we can complete those passes. Chandler needs to complete those passes now to keep defenses honest the rest of the season.

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Oops. Flashback. I meant Childers.

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On those patterns, since they are so predictable now, there is no separation most of the time