(10-15-2017 02:46 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:42 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:37 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:27 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Hmm, looking at winspedia it was hard to see 3 of those small victory lines it displays. I guess my LAZIK is wearing off. Sorry. However, prior to coach Ken N. ND was dominant most of the time, save the year before he arrived.

So... games > 10 years ago are more relevant to today than games within the last 10 years?

When considering coaching and discipline for the triple option, yes. Lou Holtz's ND teams never lost to Navy's triple option. Neither did Ara Parseghian's ND teams. Talent is the other factor. Roger Staubach was a Heisman trophy winner, giving Navy victories, along solid coach Wayne Hardin.

First, we didn't run the option back then.

Second, you missed the point that RECENT performance is more predicative than long PAST performance.

Recent performance would be more valid if you went back no more then 4 years, since every player performing today was in high school 5 years ago. So in that case ND has won 3 out of the last 4 years. Not sure why you went back 10 years, when some of these kids were in grade school, other then you gained some victories that way.

See how we can make statisitics work for us when we want them to?

I'm not talking about stats.

I'm talking about the difference between today's teams and those of yesteryear - those differences are based on the culture, coaches, offense, and expectations.

Come and spend some time at/around USNA, and I think you'll understand.

(10-15-2017 02:59 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:46 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:42 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  First, we didn't run the option back then.

Second, you missed the point that RECENT performance is more predicative than long PAST performance.

Recent performance would be more valid if you went back no more then 4 years, since every player performing today was in high school 5 years ago. So in that case ND has won 3 out of the last 4 years. Not sure why you went back 10 years, when some of these kids were in grade school, other then you gained some victories that way.

See how we can make statisitics work for us when we want them to?

Well, eight of our coaches have been here 10 years or more, including HC, OC, and DC.
That's more than any other school in FBS.

So if you're talking about the program or the culture that produces sustained success (13 8-win seasons in 14 years), then yeah, its valid to talk about 10 or 15 years

You're quicker on the draw than I am.

Navy should pose a challenge but I imagine Coach Frost's extensive knowledge of the option will pay dividends. Having a solid 3 man front 2 deep will help a lot and I expect a monster game out of Griffin (LB) and Hughes (DB) filling the gaps
TOP means little to UCF this year, I won't be surprised to see consistent 2 minute scoring drives because of our offensive team speed if we choose to, simply run and maintain our 6 ypc if needed.

(10-15-2017 04:01 PM)Bignow1 Wrote:  Navy should pose a challenge but I imagine Coach Frost's extensive knowledge of the option will pay dividends. Having a solid 3 man front 2 deep will help a lot and I expect a monster game out of Griffin (LB) and Hughes (DB) filling the gaps
TOP means little to UCF this year, I won't be surprised to see consistent 2 minute scoring drives because of our offensive team speed if we choose to, simply run and maintain our 6 ypc if needed.

I'm not saying you will not win, but the players are the ones that need to have seen it. 2 years ago we had our first game against Navy and our guys just looked lost. If your team has never played against their offense they really can't know exactly what to expect. The triple option is not something a scout team can realistically simulate at speed. I also would not expect navy to turn the ball over again this year like they did yesterday.

Didn’t realize this is UCF’s first time with Navy. Brace yourselves. We felt confident to when we first played them. That TOP is no joke

(10-15-2017 02:20 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Navy is a gimmicky offense, not an AAC championship competitor.

Quoted for teh melt.

(10-15-2017 11:44 AM)however Wrote:  We all hope UCF/USF all win out going into Black Friday, that game will be guaranteed on Gameday, imagine what that could do to our conference. But, I have to admit that Navy game next Saturday is big challenge, reasons:

1: It's a road game, and navy academy has a killing atmosphere for visiting teams;

2: UCF is not playing well in cold weather. Remember what happened in Uconn on 2014, admitted it or not, cold weather simply does not suit UCF, and I fully expect the offense of UCF could be stalled and the whole team just all of sudden becomes difference.

First off, I agree with you that any conference road game is a legit chance to lose, and any team that doesn't treat it that way is arrogantly failing to appreciate what just happened to Clemson, Wazzu and Washington this last weekend despite being double digit favorites.

However, the War on I-4 is on a Friday. I'm pretty certain there's no Gameday on Black Friday.

USFFan

(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:44 AM)however Wrote:  We all hope UCF/USF all win out going into Black Friday, that game will be guaranteed on Gameday, imagine what that could do to our conference. But, I have to admit that Navy game next Saturday is big challenge, reasons:

1: It's a road game, and navy academy has a killing atmosphere for visiting teams;

2: UCF is not playing well in cold weather. Remember what happened in Uconn on 2014, admitted it or not, cold weather simply does not suit UCF, and I fully expect the offense of UCF could be stalled and the whole team just all of sudden becomes difference.

Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Nonsense. You beat the triple option by having superior athletes, gap composure, and maintaining assignments. Coach Frost is extremely familiar with the triple option, he has our team focused i.e. Maintaining assignments, and I believe we have a "clown car of talent" i.e. Superior talent. Could we wet the bed against Navy on the road? Absolutely, I just don't believe that it's likely. Put another way, our "D" is more disciplined and has better athletes than Memphis, and our offense scores more points than any other team in college football including Memphis. I'm not big on transitive arguments, however, that's the only comparison UCF has as we've never played Navy.

(10-15-2017 06:54 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:44 AM)however Wrote:  We all hope UCF/USF all win out going into Black Friday, that game will be guaranteed on Gameday, imagine what that could do to our conference. But, I have to admit that Navy game next Saturday is big challenge, reasons:

1: It's a road game, and navy academy has a killing atmosphere for visiting teams;

2: UCF is not playing well in cold weather. Remember what happened in Uconn on 2014, admitted it or not, cold weather simply does not suit UCF, and I fully expect the offense of UCF could be stalled and the whole team just all of sudden becomes difference.

Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Nonsense. You beat the triple option by having superior athletes, gap composure, and maintaining assignments. Coach Frost is extremely familiar with the triple option, he has our team focused i.e. Maintaining assignments, and I believe we have a "clown car of talent" i.e. Superior talent. Could we wet the bed against Navy on the road? Absolutely, I just don't believe that it's likely. Put another way, our "D" is more disciplined and has better athletes than Memphis, and our offense scores more points than any other team in college football including Memphis. I'm not big on transitive arguments, however, that's the only comparison UCF has as we've never played Navy.

99% of teams navy plays has superior athletes...85% of the time navy wins...ND is a top 10 national recruiting team, and is almost 50% with navy the last 10 years...

gap composure pressure is actually how you lose to navy, pressure at all on navy is a pure gamble. the key is not pressure but assignments

this whole talent thing you are spilling points out how not familiar ucf fans are with navy at all..
and you keep comparing memphis when memphis plays navy every year and has to dedicate time to learn them as we have 2 triple option teams in the west who we have to play and normally required to beat if you want the division

the 2 years ago when we beat navy, herman said he dedicated every sunday practice for the entire year practicing stopping the option (last game of the year)..and last year a major point of concern for herman was that we played navy so early, not much time to prep (We lost) ..that defense will have close to 13 nfl players

im not saying ucf cant win or that you wont (i think you will)..i just think your reasons for thinking you will win speaks of someone who isnt familar at all with navy..houston has had the most talented and deepest defense in the AAC the last 3 years, especially against the run, and outside of temple its wasnt even been close...and we HATE playing navy

(10-15-2017 07:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 06:54 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:44 AM)however Wrote:  We all hope UCF/USF all win out going into Black Friday, that game will be guaranteed on Gameday, imagine what that could do to our conference. But, I have to admit that Navy game next Saturday is big challenge, reasons:

1: It's a road game, and navy academy has a killing atmosphere for visiting teams;

2: UCF is not playing well in cold weather. Remember what happened in Uconn on 2014, admitted it or not, cold weather simply does not suit UCF, and I fully expect the offense of UCF could be stalled and the whole team just all of sudden becomes difference.

Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Nonsense. You beat the triple option by having superior athletes, gap composure, and maintaining assignments. Coach Frost is extremely familiar with the triple option, he has our team focused i.e. Maintaining assignments, and I believe we have a "clown car of talent" i.e. Superior talent. Could we wet the bed against Navy on the road? Absolutely, I just don't believe that it's likely. Put another way, our "D" is more disciplined and has better athletes than Memphis, and our offense scores more points than any other team in college football including Memphis. I'm not big on transitive arguments, however, that's the only comparison UCF has as we've never played Navy.

99% of teams navy plays has superior athletes...85% of the time navy wins...ND is a top 10 national recruiting team, and is almost 50% with navy the last 10 years...

gap composure pressure is actually how you lose to navy, pressure at all on navy is a pure gamble. the key is not pressure but assignments

this whole talent thing you are spilling points out how not familiar ucf fans are with navy at all..
and you keep comparing memphis when memphis plays navy every year and has to dedicate time to learn them as we have 2 triple option teams in the west who we have to play and normally required to beat if you want the division

the 2 years ago when we beat navy, herman said he dedicated every sunday practice for the entire year practicing stopping the option (last game of the year)..and last year a major point of concern for herman was that we played navy so early, not much time to prep (We lost) ..that defense will have close to 13 nfl players

im not saying ucf cant win or that you wont (i think you will)..i just think your reasons for thinking you will win speaks of someone who isnt familar at all with navy..houston has had the most talented and deepest defense in the AAC the last 3 years, especially against the run, and outside of temple its wasnt even been close...and we HATE playing navy

You say Memphis has to play Navy every year which is true, but just how long has Navy been in the AAC. You say this like they played them every year for the last 20 years. Let's just see what happens, my money is on UCF.

UCF is going to pushed this game just for the fact they are facing Navy for the first time

To OP:
No kidding.

I am not in any way overconfident. The Navy game scares me. But...everyone on here is talking like the Navy triple option vs our defense is the main deciding factor of the game. What about the Navy D stopping the UCF offense?

UCF has the highest scoring offense in all of college football. UCF had eight possessions against Cincinnati and scored seven TD's and one FG. You can't get much more efficient than that.

(10-15-2017 10:40 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  I am not in any way overconfident. The Navy game scares me. But...everyone on here is talking like the Navy triple option vs our defense is the main deciding factor of the game. What about the Navy D stopping the UCF offense?

UCF has the highest scoring offense in all of college football. UCF had eight possessions against Cincinnati and scored seven TD's and one FG. You can't get much more efficient than that.

Navy deliberately has 9 min drives so unless our d is fully prepared the offense won’t be on the field much.

(10-15-2017 11:05 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 10:40 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  I am not in any way overconfident. The Navy game scares me. But...everyone on here is talking like the Navy triple option vs our defense is the main deciding factor of the game. What about the Navy D stopping the UCF offense?

UCF has the highest scoring offense in all of college football. UCF had eight possessions against Cincinnati and scored seven TD's and one FG. You can't get much more efficient than that.

Navy deliberately has 9 min drives so unless our d is fully prepared the offense won’t be on the field much.

Navy had 5 turnovers and we forced them to punt 4 times. So that's 9 possessions we stopped them and they still had the ball for 37:04.

(10-15-2017 12:22 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Yes ucf could lose to navy, they’re hard to defend against and they control ToP.

Personally they are the best team I have witnessed when it comes running the clock down. You mess up and they'll not only score on you but take the quarter away doing so. We would've lost if they didn't turn the ball over 5 times. Good luck.

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:44 AM)however Wrote:  We all hope UCF/USF all win out going into Black Friday, that game will be guaranteed on Gameday, imagine what that could do to our conference. But, I have to admit that Navy game next Saturday is big challenge, reasons:

1: It's a road game, and navy academy has a killing atmosphere for visiting teams;

2: UCF is not playing well in cold weather. Remember what happened in Uconn on 2014, admitted it or not, cold weather simply does not suit UCF, and I fully expect the offense of UCF could be stalled and the whole team just all of sudden becomes difference.

Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

I havr to admit that I am amazed at the focus UCF is displaying. They could easily come out flat the past 2 weeks and still won. Nope, they beat the brakes off both UC and ECU.

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We are over due for a flat game, Navy is not a team I would want on that week.

Of course we could lose to Navy. What kinda statement is that? lol

Navy won't be able to stop UCF's offense. I expect the score to be something like 49-28.