(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:44 AM)however Wrote:  We all hope UCF/USF all win out going into Black Friday, that game will be guaranteed on Gameday, imagine what that could do to our conference. But, I have to admit that Navy game next Saturday is big challenge, reasons:

1: It's a road game, and navy academy has a killing atmosphere for visiting teams;

2: UCF is not playing well in cold weather. Remember what happened in Uconn on 2014, admitted it or not, cold weather simply does not suit UCF, and I fully expect the offense of UCF could be stalled and the whole team just all of sudden becomes difference.

Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Yet ND has a 74 and 13 record against Navy and only loss (2010) once since 1963 (Roger Staubach's Heisman year). Moral is, superior talent, discipline, and good coaching will beat the triple option more often then not.

(10-15-2017 01:52 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:44 AM)however Wrote:  We all hope UCF/USF all win out going into Black Friday, that game will be guaranteed on Gameday, imagine what that could do to our conference. But, I have to admit that Navy game next Saturday is big challenge, reasons:

1: It's a road game, and navy academy has a killing atmosphere for visiting teams;

2: UCF is not playing well in cold weather. Remember what happened in Uconn on 2014, admitted it or not, cold weather simply does not suit UCF, and I fully expect the offense of UCF could be stalled and the whole team just all of sudden becomes difference.

Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Yet ND has a 74 and 13 record against Navy and only loss (2010) once since 1963 (Roger Staubach's Heisman year). Moral is, superior talent, discipline, and good coaching will beat the triple option more often then not.

Navy has won four out of the last ten vs Notre Dame

It's amazing that Navy and Georgia Tech aren't playing for the National Title every year

(10-15-2017 02:02 PM)st932253 Wrote:  It's amazing that Navy and Georgia Tech aren't playing for the National Title every year

So correcting a blatant factual error = claiming we're national champion caliber? Whatever

(10-15-2017 01:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:52 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:44 AM)however Wrote:  We all hope UCF/USF all win out going into Black Friday, that game will be guaranteed on Gameday, imagine what that could do to our conference. But, I have to admit that Navy game next Saturday is big challenge, reasons:

1: It's a road game, and navy academy has a killing atmosphere for visiting teams;

2: UCF is not playing well in cold weather. Remember what happened in Uconn on 2014, admitted it or not, cold weather simply does not suit UCF, and I fully expect the offense of UCF could be stalled and the whole team just all of sudden becomes difference.

Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Yet ND has a 74 and 13 record against Navy and only loss (2010) once since 1963 (Roger Staubach's Heisman year). Moral is, superior talent, discipline, and good coaching will beat the triple option more often then not.

Navy has won four out of the last ten vs Notre Dame

Hmm, looking at winspedia it was hard to see 3 of those small victory lines it displays. I guess my LAZIK is wearing off. Sorry. However, prior to coach Ken N. ND was dominant most of the time, save the year before he arrived.

A lot of the teams in this conference can beat anyone at the top every year. It's underrated.

UCF doesn't need much time to score, but the thing I'd guess UCF tries to do is run more on Navy than we have in any of the games this season. Score big early and grind it out.

My only comment in this thread is that UCF beating Memphis at home and Memphis beating Navy doesn't necessarily translate to UCF beating Navy, especially on the road.

Just look at all the upside down conference results from this week. Nobody in this conference is good enough to not have to worry about other teams, especially good ones like Navy.

Anybody watch the Clemson-Syracuse game? Geez...

Stop trying to make excuses for a loss before the team even gets to the stadium.

UCF is favored to win the remaining teams on their schedule. Take care of business. This conference isn't a cake walk. Navy is a gimmicky offense, not an AAC championship competitor.

(10-15-2017 02:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:52 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Yet ND has a 74 and 13 record against Navy and only loss (2010) once since 1963 (Roger Staubach's Heisman year). Moral is, superior talent, discipline, and good coaching will beat the triple option more often then not.

Navy has won four out of the last ten vs Notre Dame

Hmm, looking at winspedia it was hard to see 3 of those small victory lines it displays. I guess my LAZIK is wearing off. Sorry. However, prior to coach Ken N. ND was dominant most of the time, save the year before he arrived.

So... games > 10 years ago are more relevant to today than games within the last 10 years?

not a fan of having teams that run that style of offense in the Conference even if UCF wins comfortably

cut blocks man

(10-15-2017 02:27 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:52 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Yet ND has a 74 and 13 record against Navy and only loss (2010) once since 1963 (Roger Staubach's Heisman year). Moral is, superior talent, discipline, and good coaching will beat the triple option more often then not.

Navy has won four out of the last ten vs Notre Dame

Hmm, looking at winspedia it was hard to see 3 of those small victory lines it displays. I guess my LAZIK is wearing off. Sorry. However, prior to coach Ken N. ND was dominant most of the time, save the year before he arrived.

So... games > 10 years ago are more relevant to today than games within the last 10 years?

When considering coaching and discipline for the triple option, yes. Lou Holtz's ND teams never lost to Navy's triple option. Neither did Ara Parseghian's ND teams. Talent is the other factor. Roger Staubach was a Heisman trophy winner, giving Navy victories, along solid coach Wayne Hardin.

(10-15-2017 02:32 PM)knightastic Wrote:  not a fan of having teams that run that style of offense in the Conference even if UCF wins comfortably

cut blocks man

1) Tulane is also in your conference.
2) All teams cut, just not as often.
3) Navy, AF, and Army play each other every year. Somehow the field isn't littered with injuries.

(10-15-2017 02:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:52 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Yet ND has a 74 and 13 record against Navy and only loss (2010) once since 1963 (Roger Staubach's Heisman year). Moral is, superior talent, discipline, and good coaching will beat the triple option more often then not.

Navy has won four out of the last ten vs Notre Dame

Hmm, looking at winspedia it was hard to see 3 of those small victory lines it displays. I guess my LAZIK is wearing off. Sorry. However, prior to coach Ken N. ND was dominant most of the time, save the year before he arrived.

You can lump the 2007 win which broke the 43-year streak in with coach Ken - think of it as the Johnson-Niumatalolo era.
And here's the thing it isn't just ND or UCF or Memphis who can claim to have better athletes than Navy. 9 or 10 times a year we line up against better athletes. And since 2003, we've won more than we've lost against those better athletes- 5 or 6 times a year, every year.
And further to the factors in your comment, it's great coaching and discipline on the Navy side beating that superior talent as much as just the existence of the triple option.

Could UCF come in and just out-athlete Navy and run away from us? Absolutely possible.
But not a given.

I've enjoyed this thread - good discussions all around.

(10-15-2017 02:37 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:27 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:52 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Yet ND has a 74 and 13 record against Navy and only loss (2010) once since 1963 (Roger Staubach's Heisman year). Moral is, superior talent, discipline, and good coaching will beat the triple option more often then not.

Navy has won four out of the last ten vs Notre Dame

Hmm, looking at winspedia it was hard to see 3 of those small victory lines it displays. I guess my LAZIK is wearing off. Sorry. However, prior to coach Ken N. ND was dominant most of the time, save the year before he arrived.

So... games > 10 years ago are more relevant to today than games within the last 10 years?

When considering coaching and discipline for the triple option, yes. Lou Holtz's ND teams never lost to Navy's triple option. Neither did Ara Parseghian's ND teams. Talent is the other factor. Roger Staubach was a Heisman trophy winner, giving Navy victories, along solid coach Wayne Hardin.

First, we didn't run the option back then.

Second, you missed the point that RECENT performance is more predicative than long PAST performance.

(10-15-2017 02:20 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Stop trying to make excuses for a loss before the team even gets to the stadium.

UCF is favored to win the remaining teams on their schedule. Take care of business. This conference isn't a cake walk. Navy is a gimmicky offense, not an AAC championship competitor.

Navy has been in first or tied for first in the Division standings EVERY day since we joined the conference, including today.
We define AAC championship contender.

(10-15-2017 02:42 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:20 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Stop trying to make excuses for a loss before the team even gets to the stadium.

UCF is favored to win the remaining teams on their schedule. Take care of business. This conference isn't a cake walk. Navy is a gimmicky offense, not an AAC championship competitor.

Navy has been in first or tied for first in the Division standings EVERY day since we joined the conference, including today.
We define AAC championship contender.

Beat me to it.

"Gimmicky offense" is laughable, too. Get out there and try stopping it, lol.

(10-15-2017 02:42 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:37 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:27 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Navy has won four out of the last ten vs Notre Dame

Hmm, looking at winspedia it was hard to see 3 of those small victory lines it displays. I guess my LAZIK is wearing off. Sorry. However, prior to coach Ken N. ND was dominant most of the time, save the year before he arrived.

So... games > 10 years ago are more relevant to today than games within the last 10 years?

When considering coaching and discipline for the triple option, yes. Lou Holtz's ND teams never lost to Navy's triple option. Neither did Ara Parseghian's ND teams. Talent is the other factor. Roger Staubach was a Heisman trophy winner, giving Navy victories, along solid coach Wayne Hardin.

First, we didn't run the option back then.

Second, you missed the point that RECENT performance is more predicative than long PAST performance.

Recent performance would be more valid if you went back no more then 4 years, since every player performing today was in high school 5 years ago. So in that case ND has won 3 out of the last 4 years. Not sure why you went back 10 years, when some of these kids were in grade school, other then you gained some victories that way.

See how we can make statisitics work for us when we want them to?

(10-15-2017 01:54 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:52 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:52 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 11:44 AM)however Wrote:  We all hope UCF/USF all win out going into Black Friday, that game will be guaranteed on Gameday, imagine what that could do to our conference. But, I have to admit that Navy game next Saturday is big challenge, reasons:

1: It's a road game, and navy academy has a killing atmosphere for visiting teams;

2: UCF is not playing well in cold weather. Remember what happened in Uconn on 2014, admitted it or not, cold weather simply does not suit UCF, and I fully expect the offense of UCF could be stalled and the whole team just all of sudden becomes difference.

Respectfully disagree. Coach Frost has this team focused, Memphis beat them and you saw what we did to Memphis. They are primarily a run oriented one dimensional team, and run defense is our strength. Our offense should put up 40+ points, and I just don't see them putting up that many points on our "D." Coach Chin will scheme for the unique run game of Navy and so long as the team doesn't get swollen heads and remains focused, I think we win on the road by 20+ points.

this post has lack of understanding on the triple option...

the triple option rarely reflects on how good you are or how well you beat other teams...its sole based on how good you handle the triple option and assignment football...

stopping traditional offenses and stopping the triple option are completely different things, so bragging about your "D" when you arent sure how it will look vs option...

how one team handles the option is not a represenation on how you will

and if you cant stop the option, you wont score 40 either....they will have 9 minute drives and kill large amounts of game time..when they beat ND.. nd had 5 drives for the entire game

Yet ND has a 74 and 13 record against Navy and only loss (2010) once since 1963 (Roger Staubach's Heisman year). Moral is, superior talent, discipline, and good coaching will beat the triple option more often then not.

Navy has won four out of the last ten vs Notre Dame

Besides the Perry Hudspeth incident, Pat McGrew getting pushed out of bounds in 97 still sticks in my craw.

(10-15-2017 02:42 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:20 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Stop trying to make excuses for a loss before the team even gets to the stadium.

UCF is favored to win the remaining teams on their schedule. Take care of business. This conference isn't a cake walk. Navy is a gimmicky offense, not an AAC championship competitor.

Navy has been in first or tied for first in the Division standings EVERY day since we joined the conference, including today.
We define AAC championship contender.

Great post and Navy has been an excellent addition to this conference! Looking forward to the game and know nothing is a given. Will be interesting to see how UCF defends the triple option. Wish I was making the trip to Annapolis.

On a personal note, my dad is a USNA alum and I spent many Saturdays as a kid watching Navy home games with my dad as we had season tickets. Great memories!

(10-15-2017 02:46 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:42 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:37 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:27 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Hmm, looking at winspedia it was hard to see 3 of those small victory lines it displays. I guess my LAZIK is wearing off. Sorry. However, prior to coach Ken N. ND was dominant most of the time, save the year before he arrived.

So... games > 10 years ago are more relevant to today than games within the last 10 years?

When considering coaching and discipline for the triple option, yes. Lou Holtz's ND teams never lost to Navy's triple option. Neither did Ara Parseghian's ND teams. Talent is the other factor. Roger Staubach was a Heisman trophy winner, giving Navy victories, along solid coach Wayne Hardin.

First, we didn't run the option back then.

Second, you missed the point that RECENT performance is more predicative than long PAST performance.

Recent performance would be more valid if you went back no more then 4 years, since every player performing today was in high school 5 years ago. So in that case ND has won 3 out of the last 4 years. Not sure why you went back 10 years, when some of these kids were in grade school, other then you gained some victories that way.

See how we can make statisitics work for us when we want them to?

Well, eight of our coaches have been here 10 years or more, including HC, OC, and DC.
That's more than any other school in FBS.

So if you're talking about the program or the culture that produces sustained success (13 8-win seasons in 14 years), then yeah, its valid to talk about 10 or 15 years