For those that didn't notice, FIU got the help they needed when MT lost and they now control their own destiny again.

This week I'm a huge FAU fan and then a few weeks after that I'm gonna be a huge LT fan. #beatUNT

(10-15-2017 09:54 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:47 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  Honestly this is the best I’ve ever felt as a UNT fan. This makes that 2015 season and the Portland State best down worth it. Now we just need to keep those grubby P5 fingers away from him.

You can forget that noise. If Seth Littrell & Frank Wilson continue to win, they'll be gone by mid December. (If Baylor doesn't start improving quickly, they should look at Littrell & Wilson....but that's a story for another day.) Just enjoy it while you can.

You need to remember North Texas has resources. Historically when G5 programs lose a great coach they have to go find the next great coach, and pay them peanuts, because they just don't have the funds to protect their investment. It is a viscous cycle and keep most G5 programs from developing into consistent winners. I do not believe this will be the case with North Texas.

Littrell might stay at North Texas until a premier head coaching job is offered. Not only does he like where he is, but Denton is not too far from his family in Oklahoma. North Texas has the finances and might be able to pay him the kind of money (comparable to what Houston/ SMU pay) that would cause him to pass on a lower P5 job. Of course if a program like Tennessee, or LSU came knocking he would certainly be gone.

But personally, I think this kind of talk is premature. There is a lot of season left to play.

Things are getting extremely interesting right now.

This has been the most entertaining version of CUSA I've seen since Tech's been a member. Almost everyone still has a path to the championship and anyone can beat anyone. I think the top of the league has regressed some but the middle of the pack has elevated their game too.

(10-15-2017 08:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:54 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:47 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  Honestly this is the best I’ve ever felt as a UNT fan. This makes that 2015 season and the Portland State best down worth it. Now we just need to keep those grubby P5 fingers away from him.

You can forget that noise. If Seth Littrell & Frank Wilson continue to win, they'll be gone by mid December. (If Baylor doesn't start improving quickly, they should look at Littrell & Wilson....but that's a story for another day.) Just enjoy it while you can.

You need to remember North Texas has resources. Historically when G5 programs lose a great coach they have to go find the next great coach, and pay them peanuts, because they just don't have the funds to protect their investment. It is a viscous cycle and keep most G5 programs from developing into consistent winners. I do not believe this will be the case with North Texas.

Littrell might stay at North Texas until a premier head coaching job is offered. Not only does he like where he is, but Denton is not too far from his family in Oklahoma. North Texas has the finances and might be able to pay him the kind of money (comparable to what Houston/ SMU pay) that would cause him to pass on a lower P5 job. Of course if a program like Tennessee, or LSU came knocking he would certainly be gone.

But personally, I think this kind of talk is premature. There is a lot of season left to play.

If Littrell keeps trending up he will jump ship at the first school who will offer him 1.75+ mill a year...trust me. It'll be Arkansas, Kansas, Pitt, BC, Baylor, Rutgers, Illinois, Oregon State, Missouri, Vandy... you've gotta strike while the iron is hot. I mean, if someone came into your place of employment and offered you 3 times your pay with a LOT more occupation resources in all facets, you'd be a fool to turn it down.

(10-15-2017 10:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:54 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:47 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  Honestly this is the best I’ve ever felt as a UNT fan. This makes that 2015 season and the Portland State best down worth it. Now we just need to keep those grubby P5 fingers away from him.

You can forget that noise. If Seth Littrell & Frank Wilson continue to win, they'll be gone by mid December. (If Baylor doesn't start improving quickly, they should look at Littrell & Wilson....but that's a story for another day.) Just enjoy it while you can.

You need to remember North Texas has resources. Historically when G5 programs lose a great coach they have to go find the next great coach, and pay them peanuts, because they just don't have the funds to protect their investment. It is a viscous cycle and keep most G5 programs from developing into consistent winners. I do not believe this will be the case with North Texas.

Littrell might stay at North Texas until a premier head coaching job is offered. Not only does he like where he is, but Denton is not too far from his family in Oklahoma. North Texas has the finances and might be able to pay him the kind of money (comparable to what Houston/ SMU pay) that would cause him to pass on a lower P5 job. Of course if a program like Tennessee, or LSU came knocking he would certainly be gone.

But personally, I think this kind of talk is premature. There is a lot of season left to play.

if someone came into your place of employment and offered you 3 times your pay

Good Luck with that!

It's not just money. Tilman Fertitta said he would outbid anyone to keep Tom Herman at UH. Considering he just spent $2B to own the Houston Rockets, he probably meant it.

At some point the prestige and name recognition that comes with coaching at a "bigger" school is a draw itself. If it was just money Fertitta could have probably doubled any offer.

Littrell makes $1M a year at NT. If push came to shove and he was successful the big donors could probably double that and up the assistant pool by a significant amount.

However all that means is that he is safe from G5 poaching, maybe even lower end P5 poaching... maybe. If anyone higher up the food chain comes calling he is gone.

Then it will be the AD's job to hire his replacement.

(10-15-2017 10:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:54 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:47 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  Honestly this is the best I’ve ever felt as a UNT fan. This makes that 2015 season and the Portland State best down worth it. Now we just need to keep those grubby P5 fingers away from him.

You can forget that noise. If Seth Littrell & Frank Wilson continue to win, they'll be gone by mid December. (If Baylor doesn't start improving quickly, they should look at Littrell & Wilson....but that's a story for another day.) Just enjoy it while you can.

You need to remember North Texas has resources. Historically when G5 programs lose a great coach they have to go find the next great coach, and pay them peanuts, because they just don't have the funds to protect their investment. It is a viscous cycle and keep most G5 programs from developing into consistent winners. I do not believe this will be the case with North Texas.

Littrell might stay at North Texas until a premier head coaching job is offered. Not only does he like where he is, but Denton is not too far from his family in Oklahoma. North Texas has the finances and might be able to pay him the kind of money (comparable to what Houston/ SMU pay) that would cause him to pass on a lower P5 job. Of course if a program like Tennessee, or LSU came knocking he would certainly be gone.

But personally, I think this kind of talk is premature. There is a lot of season left to play.

If Littrell keeps trending up he will jump ship at the first school who will offer him 1.75+ mill a year...trust me. It'll be Arkansas, Kansas, Pitt, BC, Baylor, Rutgers, Illinois, Oregon State, Missouri, Vandy... you've gotta strike while the iron is hot. I mean, if someone came into your place of employment and offered you 3 times your pay with a LOT more occupation resources in all facets, you'd be a fool to turn it down.

$1.75+ Million is not 3 times Littrell's salary, and North Texas isn't the typical G5 program. We can pay more. I know some in C-USA may find that hard or even scary to believe, but it is the truth. Like Cerebus and I have both stated, we can protect him for G5 offers and probably lower P5 offers.

(10-16-2017 07:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 10:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:54 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:47 AM)AustinFromUNT Wrote:  Honestly this is the best I’ve ever felt as a UNT fan. This makes that 2015 season and the Portland State best down worth it. Now we just need to keep those grubby P5 fingers away from him.

You can forget that noise. If Seth Littrell & Frank Wilson continue to win, they'll be gone by mid December. (If Baylor doesn't start improving quickly, they should look at Littrell & Wilson....but that's a story for another day.) Just enjoy it while you can.

You need to remember North Texas has resources. Historically when G5 programs lose a great coach they have to go find the next great coach, and pay them peanuts, because they just don't have the funds to protect their investment. It is a viscous cycle and keep most G5 programs from developing into consistent winners. I do not believe this will be the case with North Texas.

Littrell might stay at North Texas until a premier head coaching job is offered. Not only does he like where he is, but Denton is not too far from his family in Oklahoma. North Texas has the finances and might be able to pay him the kind of money (comparable to what Houston/ SMU pay) that would cause him to pass on a lower P5 job. Of course if a program like Tennessee, or LSU came knocking he would certainly be gone.

But personally, I think this kind of talk is premature. There is a lot of season left to play.

If Littrell keeps trending up he will jump ship at the first school who will offer him 1.75+ mill a year...trust me. It'll be Arkansas, Kansas, Pitt, BC, Baylor, Rutgers, Illinois, Oregon State, Missouri, Vandy... you've gotta strike while the iron is hot. I mean, if someone came into your place of employment and offered you 3 times your pay with a LOT more occupation resources in all facets, you'd be a fool to turn it down.

$1.75+ Million is not 3 times Littrell's salary, and North Texas isn't the typical G5 program. We can pay more. I know some in C-USA may find that hard or even scary to believe, but it is the truth. Like Cerebus and I have both stated, we can protect him for G5 offers and probably lower P5 offers.

Then C-USA needs to make North Texas field a baseball team next year. That's a huge advantage that no other schools have expense wise.

(10-16-2017 08:40 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 07:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 10:15 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:54 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  You can forget that noise. If Seth Littrell & Frank Wilson continue to win, they'll be gone by mid December. (If Baylor doesn't start improving quickly, they should look at Littrell & Wilson....but that's a story for another day.) Just enjoy it while you can.

You need to remember North Texas has resources. Historically when G5 programs lose a great coach they have to go find the next great coach, and pay them peanuts, because they just don't have the funds to protect their investment. It is a viscous cycle and keep most G5 programs from developing into consistent winners. I do not believe this will be the case with North Texas.

Littrell might stay at North Texas until a premier head coaching job is offered. Not only does he like where he is, but Denton is not too far from his family in Oklahoma. North Texas has the finances and might be able to pay him the kind of money (comparable to what Houston/ SMU pay) that would cause him to pass on a lower P5 job. Of course if a program like Tennessee, or LSU came knocking he would certainly be gone.

But personally, I think this kind of talk is premature. There is a lot of season left to play.

If Littrell keeps trending up he will jump ship at the first school who will offer him 1.75+ mill a year...trust me. It'll be Arkansas, Kansas, Pitt, BC, Baylor, Rutgers, Illinois, Oregon State, Missouri, Vandy... you've gotta strike while the iron is hot. I mean, if someone came into your place of employment and offered you 3 times your pay with a LOT more occupation resources in all facets, you'd be a fool to turn it down.

$1.75+ Million is not 3 times Littrell's salary, and North Texas isn't the typical G5 program. We can pay more. I know some in C-USA may find that hard or even scary to believe, but it is the truth. Like Cerebus and I have both stated, we can protect him for G5 offers and probably lower P5 offers.

Then C-USA needs to make North Texas field a baseball team next year. That's a huge advantage that no other schools have expense wise.

Or C-USA programs could choose to drop their baseball programs and provide better funding for their football programs.

I understand your position on the matter, but there is no mandate that we field a baseball team. Don't get me wrong, I want North Texas to bring baseball back, but I understand why our AD is willing to put it off for a while.

Don't forget Tennessee, believe me, they are actively pursuing a new head coach right now, although I think they will be looking for a little more high profile.

I hope he stays on at NT, better teams make better conferences!

Okay...so the first team to come by and offer 2 million and Littrell is gone.

(10-16-2017 10:03 PM)TTT Wrote:  Okay...so the first team to come by and offer 2 million and Littrell is gone.

You don't understand. We can match that, or even pay more. The offer would have to be bigger (around $3 million or more) or at a high profile football program. A lower P5 program isn't going to offer him $3 million.

By the way, North Texas will be breaking ground on their new track and soccer stadium within the next month, and our new indoor practice facility and weight room is also moving forward.

(10-17-2017 06:35 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:03 PM)TTT Wrote:  Okay...so the first team to come by and offer 2 million and Littrell is gone.

You don't understand. We can match that, or even pay more. The offer would have to be bigger (around $3 million or more) or at a high profile football program. A lower P5 program isn't going to offer him $3 million.

By the way, North Texas will be breaking ground on their new track and soccer stadium within the next month, and our new indoor practice facility and weight room is also moving forward.

Careful, Joe. I remember TCU fans making Top Ten lists of why Franchione would never leave TCU. You never know what is in the mind of a coach. I think they all want to be the coach of a team listed at the top of the rankings someday. Does Littrell see UNT as that team, or as a step toward that team? Sometimes, if one sees a certain move as helping one toward an ultimate goal, immediate salary fades a bit as a decision maker.

I think Littrell will need at least two solid years before anyone poaches him. Same with most coaches in CUSA. Are they a flash in the pan? Or can they build consistent success?

Some P5 schools will be desperate and can’t/won’t wait in fear of losing a solid head coach prospect.
Just keep the donors and fans happy that you made a change.
If NT has a big turnaround again this year, that will be 2 years in a row!
I would think the phones are already being worked.

(10-16-2017 08:40 PM)deb025 Wrote:  Then C-USA needs to make North Texas field a baseball team next year. That's a huge advantage that no other schools have expense wise.

I would love nothing more. But our AD has made it clear that it isn't in his 5 year plan. He is raising money to pour into football. The new IPF should break ground soon, and expanding our athletic center, meeting rooms, training facilities, tutoring resources, and weight room are his next big tasks.

(10-17-2017 09:56 AM)notnow Wrote:  Some P5 schools will be desperate and can’t/won’t wait in fear of losing a solid head coach prospect.

I agree with this. However, I think SL thinks he can win here now and then jump to the "right" program for him. The teams that are desperate now, probably aren't the right programs in his mind. The teams that are the right programs, probably want another year (or more) of him winning.

Also, his staff's recruiting has not been great. We lost out on plenty of recruiting battles to G5 schools. I think the type of program he wants to go to is going to need to see him and his staff do better there.

In the end, it's a great problem to have. We've had plenty of coaches no one else has ever wanted. If he can continue to win, and do it for a few more years, then our AD will have a solid foundation to sell to another hot young coordinator.

Of course, first things first, if he wants that shiny new job we better start by beating FAU this Saturday.

Sign him up for a new contract that has a huge buyout on both sides.
P5 schools don’t mind paying to get “The guy we wanted all along”
Could fund a new weight room or contract for incoming coach.
Drawback would be if he failed to lift recruiting and NT never met expectations.
You’d be stuck with him. Not likely.

(10-17-2017 02:01 PM)notnow Wrote:  Sign him up for a new contract that has a huge buyout on both sides.

If he where to leave after this year we would be owed $1.5M from the new school.