Probably still be Summers.

I've always held to the belief that you should at least give a HC 4 years to recruit players, develop them in the way you want them to be and then see what they can produce as a result of said development. I know GS is a dumpster fire right now but maybe next year those recruits will have gotten better.

(10-14-2017 10:38 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:22 PM)Panthers347 Wrote:  I call that an amazing run that makes the fall back down to the rest of the pack (and the fact that you're not in the SoCon anymore) a little harder for your fan base to process.

So, you're basically chalking it up to luck? I guess we just didn't realize how the planets were aligned in our favor what with all of our SoCon players and 10+ scholarship differential with the other teams in the Belt.

I guess our Sun Belt peer school App State's 23-4 (?) conference record is also a huge fluke. Both teams just got really lucky.

AState is 22-4 in league since 2014. I am fairly confident App is basically right at the same number. Not sure.

In that time period, no other team has come close to challenging those two. Georgia Southern had a couple good years, and Troy has had a couple good years, but no one has been consistently as good.

(10-15-2017 12:01 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  Probably still be Summers.

I've always held to the belief that you should at least give a HC 4 years to recruit players, develop them in the way you want them to be and then see what they can produce as a result of said development. I know GS is a dumpster fire right now but maybe next year those recruits will have gotten better.

That is what NMSU did for Doug Martin. He did say he wanted to build the program up by playing freshmen and getting them experience. I am not sure that is the case for Summers though.

(10-15-2017 12:01 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  Probably still be Summers.

I've always held to the belief that you should at least give a HC 4 years to recruit players, develop them in the way you want them to be and then see what they can produce as a result of said development. I know GS is a dumpster fire right now but maybe next year those recruits will have gotten better.

Typically I would agree but this is just "different". I don't know if I can correctly express in words what I mean by that. This is the first time in my life I wanted a coach to be removed. I can't even use the f word because I know there are personal issues with a coach and his staff (mainly family) that make getting rid of a coach difficult but I can't find one redeeming coaching quality for Summers. Last year I thought he could recruit but I'm not sure about that anymore.

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(10-15-2017 12:02 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:38 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:22 PM)Panthers347 Wrote:  I call that an amazing run that makes the fall back down to the rest of the pack (and the fact that you're not in the SoCon anymore) a little harder for your fan base to process.

So, you're basically chalking it up to luck? I guess we just didn't realize how the planets were aligned in our favor what with all of our SoCon players and 10+ scholarship differential with the other teams in the Belt.

I guess our Sun Belt peer school App State's 23-4 (?) conference record is also a huge fluke. Both teams just got really lucky.

AState is 22-4 in league since 2014. I am fairly confident App is basically right at the same number. Not sure.

In that time period, no other team has come close to challenging those two. Georgia Southern had a couple good years, and Troy has had a couple good years, but no one has been consistently as good.

The wolves record has nothing to do with the transition to FBS of App and Southern. Not sure why you bring this up? We know what you've done.

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Just hire Bohanon and be done with it

(10-14-2017 10:22 PM)Panthers347 Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:08 PM)Panthers347 Wrote:  That is literally what he said.

I'm struggling to see how someone else is going to come in and right the ship. Johnson, Monken, and Fritz are not walking through that door.

Also, I'm not sure the wins are there this year. The team two years ago was way more talented.

No, it is not what I said.

What do you call it when a guy comes to GS, becomes the first ever move-up to run the table in conference ever, ties App State as the fastest team to a bowl win, and goes to Tulane and gets pretty typical results?

I did not imply it was the town, I was implying it's the program. Not sure why you seem to be implying there's only 3 guys who can win at GS. There's no fewer than 5 FCS coaches within one state of us that can do significantly better than Summers.

I call that an amazing run that makes the fall back down to the rest of the pack (and the fact that you're not in the SoCon anymore) a little harder for your fan base to process.

The transition argument in favor of Summers, giving him the benefit of the doubt, is a complete moot point. Why? It’s not improved defenses we are seeing in opponents since leaving the FCS, it’s offenses. We all knew that coming in. Southern fans knew it was a pass happy league we were about to enter in 2014 that could possibly tear our defense to shreds, but we still put up points, hella points in 2014 and 2015. In 2014 outside of the ULM championship game we won every Belt game by over three scores, lost to NC State on the last play, and scored 42 points against Ga Tech. Same thing in 2015 outside of App and Ga State.We also took Georgia into overtime. Summers comes in in 2016 with the most talented team on paper we’ve ever had. Suddenly our offense is crapping their pants every game. I fully expect Sun Belt offenses to score on us, a lot, but we are losing now because our offense is non existent. Point being, no it’s not the magical creek or the south Ga voo- doo that has made this program so great. It’s the fact that we’ve never had trouble putting up points against ANYBODY throughout history, until Summers arrived.So I personally don’t believe the FBS is “catching up” or we “ ran out of luck”. It’s coaching, period. Maybe Summers will be the Saban of the Sunbelt if we give him 5 years to do it, we’ll see. This rhetoric that Southern fans don’t know what they got themselves into is the same attitude coming from our AD. It doesn’t bother me coming from opposing fans but in reality our AD won the lottery getting hired at Southern and now he’s throwing it back in our faces by making excuses, in my opinion.

(10-15-2017 12:24 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:02 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:38 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:22 PM)Panthers347 Wrote:  I call that an amazing run that makes the fall back down to the rest of the pack (and the fact that you're not in the SoCon anymore) a little harder for your fan base to process.

So, you're basically chalking it up to luck? I guess we just didn't realize how the planets were aligned in our favor what with all of our SoCon players and 10+ scholarship differential with the other teams in the Belt.

I guess our Sun Belt peer school App State's 23-4 (?) conference record is also a huge fluke. Both teams just got really lucky.

AState is 22-4 in league since 2014. I am fairly confident App is basically right at the same number. Not sure.

In that time period, no other team has come close to challenging those two. Georgia Southern had a couple good years, and Troy has had a couple good years, but no one has been consistently as good.

The wolves record has nothing to do with the transition to FBS of App and Southern. Not sure why you bring this up? We know what you've done.

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But youre not App. Just like we arent USA or UTSA or any of those schools that we came up with. Cam Southern bounce back? Sure. When will they? Could be next year.... could be 20...
We have our 1st winning record in October since 2010. I'm not wishing that upon anyone, but it isn't just the right coach. It is the right AD and coach. Just the right coach and you have a Fritz situation.

I have a question. Why does the new coach HAVE to run triple option? only so few programs and coaches run it. I suppose GT does make it work, but they will never win the National Championship with triple option.

Maybe steal the coach from Kennesaw State. He seems like a good program builder

(10-15-2017 07:08 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:24 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:02 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:38 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:22 PM)Panthers347 Wrote:  I call that an amazing run that makes the fall back down to the rest of the pack (and the fact that you're not in the SoCon anymore) a little harder for your fan base to process.

So, you're basically chalking it up to luck? I guess we just didn't realize how the planets were aligned in our favor what with all of our SoCon players and 10+ scholarship differential with the other teams in the Belt.

I guess our Sun Belt peer school App State's 23-4 (?) conference record is also a huge fluke. Both teams just got really lucky.

AState is 22-4 in league since 2014. I am fairly confident App is basically right at the same number. Not sure.

In that time period, no other team has come close to challenging those two. Georgia Southern had a couple good years, and Troy has had a couple good years, but no one has been consistently as good.

The wolves record has nothing to do with the transition to FBS of App and Southern. Not sure why you bring this up? We know what you've done.

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But youre not App. Just like we arent USA or UTSA or any of those schools that we came up with. Cam Southern bounce back? Sure. When will they? Could be next year.... could be 20...
We have our 1st winning record in October since 2010. I'm not wishing that upon anyone, but it isn't just the right coach. It is the right AD and coach. Just the right coach and you have a Fritz situation.

Completely missing the point of my comment. No one said we were App but Ark State record since 2014 is apples to oranges to Southern but App's record is a good comparison.

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(10-15-2017 07:50 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  I have a question. Why does the new coach HAVE to run triple option? only so few programs and coaches run it. I suppose GT does make it work, but they will never win the National Championship with triple option.

Maybe steal the coach from Kennesaw State. He seems like a good program builder

I don't care what he runs, as long as he wins.

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(10-15-2017 07:08 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  But youre not App. Just like we arent USA or UTSA or any of those schools that we came up with. Cam Southern bounce back? Sure. When will they? Could be next year.... could be 20...
We have our 1st winning record in October since 2010. I'm not wishing that upon anyone, but it isn't just the right coach. It is the right AD and coach. Just the right coach and you have a Fritz situation.

I'm not saying we are App State, just that they are a peer program. You can't just say that somehow the planets aligned for us and we caught lightning in a bottle because you'd need to say it somehow happened to two different teams (which is extremely unlikely).

We've been through rough patches before (the early 90s, late 00s), and both times it took less than one season to turn things around with the right hire.

Some programs are easier to win at than others. Strong empirical evidence shows Georgia Southern isn't hard to win it.

BTW, most every GS was pretty underwhelmed with the Summers hire when it was announced. He wouldn't have been in any fan's top 5 list of coaches to hire back at the end of 2015. It was just an all-around idiotic, common-sense-defying hire. It's not like we all got the guy we wanted and things just went to ****.

(10-14-2017 09:43 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:40 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  if GS wins 4-5 games with gradually improving stats, would that be enough progress for Summers to appease the fanbase?

Statistically.. this is the worst coach we've ever had at Southern. I'm too pooped to dig it out.. but its bad.

Stats and a mediocre record don't keep you as a head coach in Statesboro. Hell.. we fired a guy that was above .700.

Here are the highlights taken from gsufans.com this morning:

Yards Per Play Differential
We only have 6 seasons where opponents averaged more yards per play than us (2017, 2009, 2016, 1995, 1992, 2006).
Current YPP differential is -1.826, and in second is 2009 with -1.35, then 2016 with -0.7. We are on track to top this by a significant margin.

Points per game Differential
Only four seasons where our scoring defense is higher than our scoring offense (2017, 2009, 2006, 1996).
2009 is currently the highest before this year (-8.91). Right now it sits at -21.0. We are well on track to top that record.

Also on track for the worst scoring defense, total defense, and yards per play all time.

(10-14-2017 10:14 PM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  Better question would be "who should coach GS next week"! Please keep him around until after the App game.

Once we get to our 7th loss (at Troy) Summers should be sent packing and we get an interim for gast and you guys.

(10-16-2017 07:36 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:14 PM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  Better question would be "who should coach GS next week"! Please keep him around until after the App game.

Once we get to our 7th loss (at Troy) Summers should be sent packing and we get an interim for gast and you guys.

The BOR has placed a hiring freeze on us until after the lawsuit scandal is wrapped up. After that, it's anybody's guess what'll happen but if TK is retained, very likely that Tyson Summers is too. It's gonna be really hard to find and hire a coach that would be okay with not being allowed to choose his own OC.

If Tyson stays.. i know a lot of folks.. myself included... that will find something else to do with our time than support Tyson.

(10-14-2017 08:26 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Tyson Summers I hope!


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At some point you dont want a team to be so bad they pull the entire conference down in rep. I want App and GaSt to lose but not so much the games are meaningless and want them to win OOC, especially against FCS.

Houston looks like the top guy right now. Solid a resume as it gets.

(10-16-2017 09:45 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 08:26 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Tyson Summers I hope!


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At some point you dont want a team to be so bad they pull the entire conference down in rep. I want App and GaSt to lose but not so much the games are meaningless and want them to win OOC, especially against FCS.

If we can drop our rep from worst to “worster or worstest” maybe I’d agree.


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(10-16-2017 09:47 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 09:45 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 08:26 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Tyson Summers I hope!


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At some point you dont want a team to be so bad they pull the entire conference down in rep. I want App and GaSt to lose but not so much the games are meaningless and want them to win OOC, especially against FCS.

If we can drop our rep from worst to “worster or worstest” maybe I’d agree.


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Oh you mean back to being called a glorified FCS /I-AA conference like back in the early 2000's

(10-16-2017 09:48 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 09:47 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 09:45 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 08:26 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  Tyson Summers I hope!


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At some point you dont want a team to be so bad they pull the entire conference down in rep. I want App and GaSt to lose but not so much the games are meaningless and want them to win OOC, especially against FCS.

If we can drop our rep from worst to “worster or worstest” maybe I’d agree.


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Oh you mean back to being called a glorified FCS /I-AA conference like back in the early 2000's

(Or maybe even 2017)


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