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(10-15-2017 07:42 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 04:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Good going. That'll send a sterling message out to potential HCs.

Come to ODU! Where it doesn't matter what you do up until then, the first season that you don't play up to expectations, you're out on your ass!

Seems to work for everyone else. I'm not even sure Nick Saban would survive a losing season. I agree that Bobby shouldn't be fired, but let's not pretend that fan anger over poor performance is unique to ODU.

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This would seem to be a good point to point out, once again, to "THE SKY IS FALLING" camp that we are not Alabama, and have only been playing actual football games for 8 years.

Excuses ! The moment we choose to move to FBS it required a different level of commitment and for everyone to step up. Many content we kept the FCS thinking. We all know...FBS football requires huge amounts of money. I don't see the University, Coaches, or the Alumni doing what is needed. ODAF donation should be at least $2k/person plus tickets. University should have built the new stadium and indoor practice facility by now and improved the marketing and Brandon the University. Coaches are not getting it done recruiting or in game adjustments. Finally...we are on a very thin edge regarding our fan base. If we keep losing the fan support will dwindle. Empty stadiums are a death sentence.

(10-15-2017 08:27 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  FIRE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en1uwIzI3SE

Maybe if we get Wilder to wear that outfit on the sidelines, it'll light up the team!

I just want to remind everyone that Marshall went through something similar to this last year, and it even appeared that HC Doc Holliday had lost the team completely.

This season they are coming back.

(10-15-2017 08:47 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I just want to remind everyone that Marshall went through something similar to this last year, and it even appeared that HC Doc Holliday had lost the team completely.

This season they are coming back.

Definitely Agree.

(10-15-2017 08:47 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I just want to remind everyone that Marshall went through something similar to this last year, and it even appeared that HC Doc Holliday had lost the team completely.

This season they are coming back.

Great point but he also was fired up and challenged his players openly. Also the press put him on the hot seat as well.

(10-15-2017 08:49 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:47 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I just want to remind everyone that Marshall went through something similar to this last year, and it even appeared that HC Doc Holliday had lost the team completely.

This season they are coming back.

Great point but he also was fired up and challenged his players openly. Also the press put him on the hot seat as well.

Sure.

And before someone else points this out, yes Marshall continues to produce the top recruiting classes in CUSA and
We built our early success on the backs of transfers (mostly Hofstra) and an extraordinary QB.

Still, Marshall has done it, so can we.

(10-15-2017 08:35 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 07:42 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 04:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Good going. That'll send a sterling message out to potential HCs.

Come to ODU! Where it doesn't matter what you do up until then, the first season that you don't play up to expectations, you're out on your ass!

Seems to work for everyone else. I'm not even sure Nick Saban would survive a losing season. I agree that Bobby shouldn't be fired, but let's not pretend that fan anger over poor performance is unique to ODU.

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This would seem to be a good point to point out, once again, to "THE SKY IS FALLING" camp that we are not Alabama, and have only been playing actual football games for 8 years.

Excuses ! The moment we choose to move to FBS it required a different level of commitment and for everyone to step up. Many content we kept the FCS thinking. We all know...FBS football requires huge amounts of money. I don't see the University, Coaches, or the Alumni doing what is needed. ODAF donation should be at least $2k/person plus tickets. University should have built the new stadium and indoor practice facility by now and improved the marketing and Brandon the University. Coaches are not getting it done recruiting or in game adjustments. Finally...we are on a very thin edge regarding our fan base. If we keep losing the fan support will dwindle. Empty stadiums are a death sentence.

Well if not being Alabama is an excuse:

Alabama has played 1,100 games in 114 seasons.
Alabama reached its first bowl game 33 years after it's inception.
Alabama went 13-16 in their first 8 years (although one was against Birmingham HS).
Alabama had 6 HCs its first 8 years.
Alabama once won 3 games over 4 seasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Al...ll_seasons

Quit yer damn bitching. We ALL want a winning team. Some of us just recognize it is a process and not a light switch.

(10-15-2017 09:19 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  I'm not for firing BW yet, but I don't understand why the offense is so inconsistent?

How do you go from scoring 23 to 0 to 28 to 3?

The defenses we have faced. VT (0) was the best D we have faced, Marshall was the second best(3).

We have a very "shaky" offensive line.
We have very "shaky" receivers, and no go-to WR
We have a 17 yr old QB who, as he gets more snaps, will likely get worse before he gets better because he will start to think more and subsequently start to get rattled at times, and hesitate at times; thus making more mistakes.

Without any dominating receiver, worse, even any consistent ones at all, and a beyond rookie QB, any decent defense will play man coverage and stack the box with run/pass blitzes.

As this "book" is written each week, I see us being almost unable to score for the rest of the season.
After the FIU performance yesterday, Rice and just maybe Charlotte may be our only hopes for another win.
Indeed, unless surprise changes can be made, we could conceivably not win another game this season.

(10-15-2017 08:49 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:47 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I just want to remind everyone that Marshall went through something similar to this last year, and it even appeared that HC Doc Holliday had lost the team completely.

This season they are coming back.

Great point but he also was fired up and challenged his players openly. Also the press put him on the hot seat as well.

He challenged his players bc they quit on him last tear. What you are seeing is how dumb it would have been to fire Doc based on 1 year.

(10-15-2017 09:07 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:35 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 07:42 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 04:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Good going. That'll send a sterling message out to potential HCs.

Come to ODU! Where it doesn't matter what you do up until then, the first season that you don't play up to expectations, you're out on your ass!

Seems to work for everyone else. I'm not even sure Nick Saban would survive a losing season. I agree that Bobby shouldn't be fired, but let's not pretend that fan anger over poor performance is unique to ODU.

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This would seem to be a good point to point out, once again, to "THE SKY IS FALLING" camp that we are not Alabama, and have only been playing actual football games for 8 years.

Excuses ! The moment we choose to move to FBS it required a different level of commitment and for everyone to step up. Many content we kept the FCS thinking. We all know...FBS football requires huge amounts of money. I don't see the University, Coaches, or the Alumni doing what is needed. ODAF donation should be at least $2k/person plus tickets. University should have built the new stadium and indoor practice facility by now and improved the marketing and Brandon the University. Coaches are not getting it done recruiting or in game adjustments. Finally...we are on a very thin edge regarding our fan base. If we keep losing the fan support will dwindle. Empty stadiums are a death sentence.

Well if not being Alabama is an excuse:

Alabama has played 1,100 games in 114 seasons.
Alabama reached its first bowl game 33 years after it's inception.
Alabama went 13-16 in their first 8 years (although one was against Birmingham HS).
Alabama had 6 HCs its first 8 years.
Alabama once won 3 games over 4 seasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Al...ll_seasons

Quit yer damn bitching. We ALL want a winning team. Some of us just recognize it is a process and not a light switch.

Ok, please advise if the future date where it is acceptable for ODU fans to expect to win their games? Their conference games? Their games against conference dregs (F_U)? Expect to have teams that are better than JMU? Better than our old CAA teams? If I can't expect any of this yet, without being accused of being unrealistic? I'm out.

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(10-15-2017 02:37 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 12:17 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 06:34 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 06:14 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 05:47 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  There are many donors on here that donate over $6K/yr. to ODAF. I would say ODAF had better figure out away to generate other revenues.

I didn't realize there were so many big willies on the boards, so I apologize for that. Not sure how you know that there are "many" donors of that level on the boards but I'm trusting another Monarch that you know what you are talking about. My ODAF donation is in the hundreds not the thousands so I don't think they care much about what I think.

Does an ODU contribution come with a disclaimer telling the donor that ODU only cares about fans whose gift exceeds $1000 or more? Why are you trying to make your point stick? Why is ODU obsessed with its' sellout streak. Why is it going to spend millions to build a new stadium with improve fan amenities if it only cared about big donors?

I'm not sure I follow what your point is here. ODU isn't different from any other school in that they really don't care much about the donors that give a couple of hundred bucks a year. Just look at the benefits offered at that level. The big dogs call the shots without question.

Where did your ??6k?? number come from? Seems like a random number unless you have inside information to share.

ODU Hoops is EverRespect?

I said the opinons on this forum are relevent to ODU because they come from actual fans who attend ODU athletic events. And Yes, players, admin, Ted Alexander, Andy Mashaw, Harry Minium and other media personalities do indeed come to this forum to gauge the pulse of the ODU fanbase. In fact, if you listen to the game announcers you'll often hear them discuss some of the same talking points contributed to this forum.

I think you were trying to counter by saying that ODU doesn't care about the opinions of fans who don't give big donations. Unless you have inside information, I'll have to dismiss your claim. How many fans that sit inside Foreman Field every Saturday are big donors? What would Foreman Field look like if one day those fans didn't show up? Exactly

Unfortunately those big donors do not make up the majority of the fanbase. Our Monarch Nation is diverse. Some are alumni, some are donors, some are both. Some didn't or don't attend ODU and some don't donate a dime. Some buy season tickets some purchase individual tickets. It wouldn't be a good business decision not to listen to all of your customers.

Good Luck:)

No I'm not Ever Respect but I do know him. I can tell you I give ODAF less than 300.00 a year and my phone never rings asking for my opinion. I'm not upset about that, if I really wanted to have a say or influence decisions I would be giving 6k a year like you do.

Do me a favor and tell someone that chair backs aren't needed all over the stadium, but a little more leg room would be nice. Thanks!

We all knew that QB was a huge question mark coming into the season, and unfortunately our worst fears were realized. I'm not sure how good Steven Williams will be, but he is apparently the best QB on the team right now, and appears to have the tools to be great with proper coaching.

We were blessed early on with DeMarco, TH, and had Washington last year. But apparently we have recruited our share of busts recently as well, and you just can't have too many busts at that position and be consistently successful.

Granted, not all of our issues can be traced to QB play. The wide receivers aren't helping much. It looks like any success that we have this season is going to be with Lawry and Cox.

(10-15-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:57 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:13 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  We have a history of highly rated QB's not working out...

I would put our QB records up againsy most schools.

Certainly not our highly rated FBS quarterbacks...

all 1 of them?

Drayton Arnold, Shane McCarley, Shuler Bentley.

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(10-15-2017 09:07 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:35 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 07:42 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 04:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Good going. That'll send a sterling message out to potential HCs.

Come to ODU! Where it doesn't matter what you do up until then, the first season that you don't play up to expectations, you're out on your ass!

Seems to work for everyone else. I'm not even sure Nick Saban would survive a losing season. I agree that Bobby shouldn't be fired, but let's not pretend that fan anger over poor performance is unique to ODU.

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This would seem to be a good point to point out, once again, to "THE SKY IS FALLING" camp that we are not Alabama, and have only been playing actual football games for 8 years.

Excuses ! The moment we choose to move to FBS it required a different level of commitment and for everyone to step up. Many content we kept the FCS thinking. We all know...FBS football requires huge amounts of money. I don't see the University, Coaches, or the Alumni doing what is needed. ODAF donation should be at least $2k/person plus tickets. University should have built the new stadium and indoor practice facility by now and improved the marketing and Brandon the University. Coaches are not getting it done recruiting or in game adjustments. Finally...we are on a very thin edge regarding our fan base. If we keep losing the fan support will dwindle. Empty stadiums are a death sentence.

Well if not being Alabama is an excuse:

Alabama has played 1,100 games in 114 seasons.
Alabama reached its first bowl game 33 years after it's inception.
Alabama went 13-16 in their first 8 years (although one was against Birmingham HS).
Alabama had 6 HCs its first 8 years.
Alabama once won 3 games over 4 seasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Al...ll_seasons

Quit yer damn bitching. We ALL want a winning team. Some of us just recognize it is a process and not a light switch.

I take back every negative thing I've said and I have joined the optimism team. Following the lead of the Tide (not the light rail!) we can expect ultimate success sometime late in the 21st century. Someone please leave a copy of the Virginian-Pilot on my grave so I can read about it.

(10-15-2017 10:39 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We all knew that QB was a huge question mark coming into the season, and unfortunately our worst fears were realized. I'm not sure how good Steven Williams will be, but he is apparently the best QB on the team right now, and appears to have the tools to be great with proper coaching.

We were blessed early on with DeMarco, TH, and had Washington last year. But apparently we have recruited our share of busts recently as well, and you just can't have too many busts at that position and be consistently successful.

Granted, not all of our issues can be traced to QB play. The wide receivers aren't helping much. It looks like any success that we have this season is going to be with Lawry and Cox.

As posted:
We have a very "shaky" offensive line.
We have very "shaky" receivers, and no go-to WR
We have a 17 yr old QB who, as he gets more snaps, will likely get worse before he gets better because he will start to think more and subsequently start to get rattled at times, and hesitate at times; thus making more mistakes.

Without any dominating receiver, worse, even any consistent ones at all, and a beyond rookie QB, any decent defense will play man coverage and stack the box with run/pass blitzes.

As this "book" is written each week, I see us being almost unable to score for the rest of the season; even with Lawry and Cox.

(10-15-2017 07:09 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 05:52 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 05:46 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Wilder has earned some capital coming off of our best season ever last year.

But this season looks ugly so far and he'd better find a QB and some decent WRs for next year.

OK...I can support this but next year is for sure a hot seat year. BTW...Marshall had many P5 level transfers. Why has BW landed any of them.

I didn't see a talent gap in the game today.

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You are joking right ? What game were you watching? Their WR were by our DBs consistently. Their Defense is #1 in CUSA. Their DB were big and fast. Their LB's were bigger and faster. Their DL was better than ours. Finally...their OL was much better

We hung with them through 3 quarters and we were running all over them in the first half. It would have been 14-14 going into the 4th if our 2 deep drives ended in a TD and we stuck with our game plan. I was not super impressed with Marshall. That game was very winnable.

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(10-14-2017 05:55 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  We are smack dab in the middle of one of the best recruiting areas in the country. We should be much better in football and basketball. Our problem is too many fans willing to settle for mediocre.

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Your problem is VT, UVA, NCSU, UNC, ECU, Maryland... and higher admission. standards than Marshall, especially for transfers. Whoever made the recruiting comparison to Marshall is comparing apples and oranges. They can being on just about anybody and park them is what basically amounts to special ed for college.

ECU has a lot of the same problems as you guys. Theres too damn many FBS programs in this area.

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(10-15-2017 10:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 05:55 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  We are smack dab in the middle of one of the best recruiting areas in the country. We should be much better in football and basketball. Our problem is too many fans willing to settle for mediocre.

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Your problem is VT, UVA, NCSU, UNC, ECU, Maryland... and higher admission. standards than Marshall, especially for transfers. Whoever made the recruiting comparison to Marshall is comparing apples and oranges. They can being on just about anybody and park them is what basically amounts to special ed for college.

ECU has a lot of the same problems as you guys. Theres too damn many FBS programs in this area.

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Then recruit them out of the Dakotas, Nebraska, Utah, and Kansas where if they aren't Big XII, their only other choices are FCS or go far away from home. Especially along the OL there are no shortages of big white guys from the cornfields that spent their entire childhood learning how to block and have never seen an ocean. Some might consider coming here instead of Eastern Washington, North Dakota, or Northern Iowa.

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(10-15-2017 10:47 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 07:09 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 10:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 05:52 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 05:46 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Wilder has earned some capital coming off of our best season ever last year.

But this season looks ugly so far and he'd better find a QB and some decent WRs for next year.

OK...I can support this but next year is for sure a hot seat year. BTW...Marshall had many P5 level transfers. Why has BW landed any of them.

I didn't see a talent gap in the game today.

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You are joking right ? What game were you watching? Their WR were by our DBs consistently. Their Defense is #1 in CUSA. Their DB were big and fast. Their LB's were bigger and faster. Their DL was better than ours. Finally...their OL was much better

We hung with them through 3 quarters and we were running all over them in the first half. It would have been 14-14 going into the 4th if our 2 deep drives ended in a TD and we stuck with our game plan. I was not super impressed with Marshall. That game was very winnable.

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We ran well in the first drive.

I am not sure I would not characterize that as running all over them the first half however, as we ran 24 times for 80 yards @ 3.3 yards per carry for the half.

(10-15-2017 10:43 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  As posted:
We have a very "shaky" offensive line.
We have very "shaky" receivers, and no go-to WR
We have a 17 yr old QB who, as he gets more snaps, will likely get worse before he gets better because he will start to think more and subsequently start to get rattled at times, and hesitate at times; thus making more mistakes.

Without any dominating receiver, worse, even any consistent ones at all, and a beyond rookie QB, any decent defense will play man coverage and stack the box with run/pass blitzes.

Those two, especially the first, are the most disappointing. Losing Duhart put Fulgham as the #1 WR, and he just isn't flourishing there. Vaughn is still getting his mojo back so we'll see. Some of the young guys need to step up as the season moves on.