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(11-25-2018 04:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  They were ranked 110 on offense compared to 79 for us. (Footballoutsiders). Their defense was 97 compared to our 119

I certainly don't believe their offensive personnel were nearly as good as ours, yet they won more games than we did against some of the same opponents, and they beat us.

(11-25-2018 05:52 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 04:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  They were ranked 110 on offense compared to 79 for us. (Footballoutsiders). Their defense was 97 compared to our 119

I certainly don't believe their offensive personnel were nearly as good as ours, yet they won more games than we did against some of the same opponents, and they beat us.

Personel wise, we had more talent on both sides of the ball than alot of teams. That's what's so frustrating about this team. Not nearly as good as the sum of their parts.

(11-25-2018 02:49 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 01:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211781633

Great respect for Harry. When he was a reporter he would sometimes give you a little off the record opinion. Not anymore. He is ODU's spin doctor now and gets paid to put on a happy face. Seriously doubt if he'll ever give us any complete analysis again.

Wonder if he truly enjoys his new gig, after being allowed to report the facts for so many years.

Totally agree ..... he is so slanted to his employer that his comments lack any credible objectivity --- I don't really look to HM for any objective perspective of ODU football. You can only try to spin garbage so much --- in the end it is still garbage. Guess that the replacement of DC, Safeties coach, DB coach, and OL coach will be hailed as 'answering the mail' by HM. In reality, those coaches are not high enough on the food chain to accept the accountability for the totally unacceptable product being put on display for the fans. I looked at the Rice stadium (empty) and couldn't help wonder that with the piss poor performances turned in by ODU, how much longer the fans will support the underperforming, uninspired, and overappreciated team? I think that Wilder has maybe a year to right the ship (which I don't think he is capable of doing), but the AD seems to be betting on a miracle. After that the choice will be either sticking with an ineffective HC and empty stadium or doing what has been overdue for some time now.

I have supported football at ODU, both financially and showing up, since the program was first announced. I will continue to support the program, but unfortunately, based on observing the last home games with weak attendance, uninspired fan engagement, tailgate lots that were sparsely used, seeming inability to create a compelling game day atmosphere (e.g. music, announcers, etc.) -- not sure how many of the 'fickle' fans will stay the course with this disaster of a product week after week.

Fire scapegoats, Hire some godawful coaches aka prospective scapegoats, set them up for jobs in which they'll eventually ruin ODU FB as well as ODU brand name and then fire them when hs is under scrutiny. Rinse repeat. Haven't we seen this movie from Wilder before? This guy is not a HC material and Wood is a clown who can't either see the problem or find an answer to the issue at hand. What ******* AD comes out and says "A HC with 6-6, 5-7, 10-3, 5-7 and 4-8" record is on solid ground after this disaster of a season. We need an Overhaul from the top and i am sure we all have our opinions and that's my two cents.

(11-25-2018 04:03 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 03:38 PM)Grommet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 03:36 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:43 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  He'd say that regardless. Although I believe him, for now.

Disagree - you don’t make a public statement that someone is on “solid ground” before you fire them a week or so thereafter. Not good for credibility. If that happens, then I have no respect for Selig. And I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the decision - just an unprofessional/bush league move.

bull****. Who was it that fired their coach mere days after saying somedging similar at ACC media days?

It’s a bush league move - pure and simple.

Butch Davis, 2011

(11-25-2018 09:05 PM)Grommet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 04:03 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 03:38 PM)Grommet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 03:36 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:43 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  He'd say that regardless. Although I believe him, for now.

Disagree - you don’t make a public statement that someone is on “solid ground” before you fire them a week or so thereafter. Not good for credibility. If that happens, then I have no respect for Selig. And I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the decision - just an unprofessional/bush league move.

bull****. Who was it that fired their coach mere days after saying somedging similar at ACC media days?

It’s a bush league move - pure and simple.

Butch Davis, 2011

And let us remember his words and his dishonor.

Selig knew BW was going to be in the market for coaches, not to mention recruits. Seligs statement was meant for them. Who is going to take a job at a school where the AD says the head coach is on thin ice? Selig said the only thing he could say.

(11-26-2018 06:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Selig knew BW was going to be in the market for coaches, not to mention recruits. Seligs statement was meant for them. Who is going to take a job at a school where the AD says the head coach is on thin ice? Selig said the only thing he could say.

Prospective coaches will see right through that line of b.s. BW should not be allowed to hire anyone else with a connection to Maine.

(11-26-2018 06:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Selig knew BW was going to be in the market for coaches, not to mention recruits. Seligs statement was meant for them. Who is going to take a job at a school where the AD says the head coach is on thin ice? Selig said the only thing he could say.

Well, there is that for sure. And the fact that Wilder was never going to be fired before next year unless there is some scandal.

(11-26-2018 09:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 06:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Selig knew BW was going to be in the market for coaches, not to mention recruits. Seligs statement was meant for them. Who is going to take a job at a school where the AD says the head coach is on thin ice? Selig said the only thing he could say.

Well, there is that for sure. And the fact that Wilder was never going to be fired before next year unless there is some scandal.

Let’s see what Wood does when Next year is a repeat of this season.
1 winning season in CUSA in 5 years 30-31 overall. Poor performance is never his fault.
Ask one question on the radio or post game and he pats himself on the back for 15 minutes. Enough. In basketball we’re top 3, winning 25 games and just falling short, and JJ is on the hot seat. We’re not doing that in football

Actually, Bobby was a lot more forthcoming after Saturday's debacle than I've heard him before. Talked about spending Sunday with the assistants assessing where to go from here (anyone with half a brain knew a mass of firings were happening). He talked about being unable to stop the runs up the middle, being unable to tackle, correctly labeled them season-long problems that coaches and players never corrected. Yes, he had to say that stuff, but he said it and there was no 'play here, play there,' BS. Talked briefly about all of the injuries, which doesn't excuse to me the fact of having to play 2 guys with casts on their hands because you don't have anyone else. And talked proudly, rightly so, about Duhart, Fulgham and Ox.

By ODU's mealy-mouthed standard of "reporting," it was worth listening to.

Alexander and Mashaw = awful
James whatever on the sidelines = awfuller. It's a bush league operation.

(11-26-2018 10:10 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 06:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Selig knew BW was going to be in the market for coaches, not to mention recruits. Seligs statement was meant for them. Who is going to take a job at a school where the AD says the head coach is on thin ice? Selig said the only thing he could say.

Well, there is that for sure. And the fact that Wilder was never going to be fired before next year unless there is some scandal.

Let’s see what Wood does when Next year is a repeat of this season.
1 winning season in CUSA in 5 years 30-31 overall. Poor performance is never his fault.
Ask one question on the radio or post game and he pats himself on the back for 15 minutes. Enough. In basketball we’re top 3, winning 25 games and just falling short, and JJ is on the hot seat. We’re not doing that in football

Completely different situations. Jeff Jones did not have to transition up a level of competition. (which would be easier to do so in basketball with 13 players instead of 110) Which also ignores the level of facilities and if they makes a difference on recruiting.

(11-26-2018 12:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:10 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 06:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Selig knew BW was going to be in the market for coaches, not to mention recruits. Seligs statement was meant for them. Who is going to take a job at a school where the AD says the head coach is on thin ice? Selig said the only thing he could say.

Well, there is that for sure. And the fact that Wilder was never going to be fired before next year unless there is some scandal.

Let’s see what Wood does when Next year is a repeat of this season.
1 winning season in CUSA in 5 years 30-31 overall. Poor performance is never his fault.
Ask one question on the radio or post game and he pats himself on the back for 15 minutes. Enough. In basketball we’re top 3, winning 25 games and just falling short, and JJ is on the hot seat. We’re not doing that in football

Completely different situations. Jeff Jones did not have to transition up a level of competition. (which would be easier to do so in basketball with 13 players instead of 110) Which also ignores the level of facilities and if they makes a difference on recruiting.

Now you’re just making excuses for poor performance. We transitioned up. Ok. But 5 years and he hasn’t done anything, so he fires all the coaches and wants to start over.
Said it all along, he’s exposed now and Taylor H covered up for his poor coach and recruiting. Stop making excuses. Some people get promoted up and can’t perform at the higher level. It happens all the time.

(11-26-2018 12:38 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 12:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:10 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 06:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Selig knew BW was going to be in the market for coaches, not to mention recruits. Seligs statement was meant for them. Who is going to take a job at a school where the AD says the head coach is on thin ice? Selig said the only thing he could say.

Well, there is that for sure. And the fact that Wilder was never going to be fired before next year unless there is some scandal.

Let’s see what Wood does when Next year is a repeat of this season.
1 winning season in CUSA in 5 years 30-31 overall. Poor performance is never his fault.
Ask one question on the radio or post game and he pats himself on the back for 15 minutes. Enough. In basketball we’re top 3, winning 25 games and just falling short, and JJ is on the hot seat. We’re not doing that in football

Completely different situations. Jeff Jones did not have to transition up a level of competition. (which would be easier to do so in basketball with 13 players instead of 110) Which also ignores the level of facilities and if they makes a difference on recruiting.

Now you’re just making excuses for poor performance. We transitioned up. Ok. But 5 years and he hasn’t done anything, so he fires all the coaches and wants to start over.
Said it all along, he’s exposed now and Taylor H covered up for his poor coach and recruiting. Stop making excuses. Some people get promoted up and can’t perform at the higher level. It happens all the time.

<cough> Mike London <cough>

(11-26-2018 12:38 PM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 12:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:10 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 06:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Selig knew BW was going to be in the market for coaches, not to mention recruits. Seligs statement was meant for them. Who is going to take a job at a school where the AD says the head coach is on thin ice? Selig said the only thing he could say.

Well, there is that for sure. And the fact that Wilder was never going to be fired before next year unless there is some scandal.

Let’s see what Wood does when Next year is a repeat of this season.
1 winning season in CUSA in 5 years 30-31 overall. Poor performance is never his fault.
Ask one question on the radio or post game and he pats himself on the back for 15 minutes. Enough. In basketball we’re top 3, winning 25 games and just falling short, and JJ is on the hot seat. We’re not doing that in football

Completely different situations. Jeff Jones did not have to transition up a level of competition. (which would be easier to do so in basketball with 13 players instead of 110) Which also ignores the level of facilities and if they makes a difference on recruiting.

Now you’re just making excuses for poor performance. We transitioned up. Ok. But 5 years and he hasn’t done anything, so he fires all the coaches and wants to start over.
Said it all along, he’s exposed now and Taylor H covered up for his poor coach and recruiting. Stop making excuses. Some people get promoted up and can’t perform at the higher level. It happens all the time.

LOL, Wilder would have been bashed relentlessly if he had not fired the defensive staff, now, when he does it, he's "placing blame on the assistant coaches."

Our best team was without Taylor Heinicke so I don't believe Heinicke covered up deficiencies. What he did (Heinicke played a large part) was win more games than almost any startup in history over the first 5 seasons.

Everyone wants results, we all do. Not everyone is willing to consider that we are a startup in a crappy stadium. If you think a new coach (making 600k) is all of a sudden going to make us a consistent conference USA powerhouse, you almost certainly setting yourself up for a letdown.

Its great to "Aim High," you also have to take into account reality. And if reality is considered an excuse, then sobeit.

If you think the same expectations should be placed on Wilder than are on Jones over the past 5 years....well, you are wrong. There is no way to sugarcoat it.

I’m sorry I still can not buy the argument that we have done nothing in five years. To be one game under .500 in five years of FBS play with significantly tougher competition than say Delaware, Jacksonville State, Cal Poly, and the lack of facilities compared to other schools, I’d say we’ve gone about expected, even better quite honestly. Yes, there has been some BAD losses, but come on guys and gals, it isn’t 0 for land.

Just to compare, in their first five seasons of FBS play, WKU went 18-43 and a loss in the Little Caesars Bowl, with 1 Power 5 win over Kentucky, who was not what they are now.

Charlotte, who came to C-USA at the same time as us with brand new facilities (and a younger program by 2 seasons), went 12-36, and I suppose their signature win in that time frame was an overtime win against UAB in 2017.

So I suppose what I’m getting at is it’s going to be bad before it gets good, but I suppose we are just supposed to be the class of the field each season no matter what!

(11-25-2018 08:42 PM)blueandsilver Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 02:49 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 01:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=211781633

Great respect for Harry. When he was a reporter he would sometimes give you a little off the record opinion. Not anymore. He is ODU's spin doctor now and gets paid to put on a happy face. Seriously doubt if he'll ever give us any complete analysis again.

Wonder if he truly enjoys his new gig, after being allowed to report the facts for so many years.

Totally agree ..... he is so slanted to his employer that his comments lack any credible objectivity --- I don't really look to HM for any objective perspective of ODU football. You can only try to spin garbage so much --- in the end it is still garbage. Guess that the replacement of DC, Safeties coach, DB coach, and OL coach will be hailed as 'answering the mail' by HM. In reality, those coaches are not high enough on the food chain to accept the accountability for the totally unacceptable product being put on display for the fans. I looked at the Rice stadium (empty) and couldn't help wonder that with the piss poor performances turned in by ODU, how much longer the fans will support the underperforming, uninspired, and overappreciated team? I think that Wilder has maybe a year to right the ship (which I don't think he is capable of doing), but the AD seems to be betting on a miracle. After that the choice will be either sticking with an ineffective HC and empty stadium or doing what has been overdue for some time now.

Harry Minium is an employee of Old Dominion University. To be honest, I think he gets surprising latitude to criticize his employer, at least with regards to on-field performance, but if anyone was expecting him to act like he was still at the Pilot while working on ODU's dime, then I would categorize that as naive. His duty for ODU is different than his duty for the Pilot, even if they leverage the same skill set. You might as well wonder why the PA announcer isn't complaining about play selection or starting Fire Bobby/Jeff chants on a hot mic.

As for whether he enjoys he new gig: I haven't spoken to the man in donkey's years, but given that a) you're not likely to leave an area where you've worked for most of your career at this stage of the game and b) there aren't any other newspapers or news-gathering organizations even in the Pilot's neighborhood as far as size and influence, I'd wager that he's OK with where he is now. He probably got more than enough confrontation for a dozen lifetimes covering Norfolk City Hall.

(11-25-2018 09:05 PM)Grommet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 04:03 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 03:38 PM)Grommet Wrote:  

(11-25-2018 03:36 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 06:43 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  He'd say that regardless. Although I believe him, for now.

Disagree - you don’t make a public statement that someone is on “solid ground” before you fire them a week or so thereafter. Not good for credibility. If that happens, then I have no respect for Selig. And I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the decision - just an unprofessional/bush league move.

bull****. Who was it that fired their coach mere days after saying somedging similar at ACC media days?

It’s a bush league move - pure and simple.

Butch Davis, 2011

George Steinbrenner, a bunch of times, most of which involved Billy Martin

It's not uncommon at all. The joke back in the day was that the worst thing you could get as a coach on the hot seat from a president or GM was a vote of confidence. That was almost always the end of the beginning of the end.

And this move wasn’t a 10 or even 5 year plan. People were worried at meetings this would happen. was there. Consistently Playing sub-500 is not good at this point.
You can’t make excuses about the stadium etc etc. what happens next year when we are 5-7 improving

(11-26-2018 12:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:10 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 06:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Selig knew BW was going to be in the market for coaches, not to mention recruits. Seligs statement was meant for them. Who is going to take a job at a school where the AD says the head coach is on thin ice? Selig said the only thing he could say.

Well, there is that for sure. And the fact that Wilder was never going to be fired before next year unless there is some scandal.

Let’s see what Wood does when Next year is a repeat of this season.
1 winning season in CUSA in 5 years 30-31 overall. Poor performance is never his fault.
Ask one question on the radio or post game and he pats himself on the back for 15 minutes. Enough. In basketball we’re top 3, winning 25 games and just falling short, and JJ is on the hot seat. We’re not doing that in football

Completely different situations. Jeff Jones did not have to transition up a level of competition. (which would be easier to do so in basketball with 13 players instead of 110) Which also ignores the level of facilities and if they makes a difference on recruiting.

Actually it’s easier to overhaul a football roster (over a period of time) than a basketball roster. Basketball rosters that are decimated destroy a team’s APR. football can take hits (by getting rid of multiple players in a year) and not have APR issues.