(10-20-2017 12:55 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 12:37 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I'm wondering if the Raising Canes thing is a done deal. I feel like someone compared the UBaTC to something LIKE (insert areana name) which has a Raising Canes restaurant, and that's been misinterpreted as gospel.

Yeah I heard him say it in the union center related podcast but he didn’t say where he got that info from and I don’t recall any official announcement about it. I also haven’t searched that hard for it either.
Maybe he heard it in passing from someone at the athletic department?

It's in the official announcement a week ago... http://www.jmusports.com/news/2017/10/13...nistration

Located on the corner of Carrier Drive and University Boulevard, the Union Bank & Trust Center will seat 8,500 guests for basketball games and closer to 10,000 for commencement and other events with additional floor seating. Features of the facility include a club area, courtside seating with a designated private courtside hospitality area, state-of-the-art lighting and audio/video technology including a center-hung scoreboard and upper concourse ribbon boards, a student club area, expanded concessions and restroom availability, a multipurpose group event space, a team store and a Raising Canes restaurant. A 1,500-space parking deck will also be constructed adjacent to the facility concurrently.

(10-20-2017 06:58 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In an interview Bourne mentioned there have been a dozen design changes since the beginning of the project and he mentioned student seating among other things. Let’s hope they get it right.
The current rendering shows students only on one baseline. That is not good.
They should be designing to maximize home court advantage as a priority. Do you want to have a winning team and an energetic environment JMU players love to play in? Put their classmates all around the action. Having 5 or 6 rows surrounding the court is the way to go and that will create a great environment. If JMU wants to avoid student fans behind the benches, then leave the club seats there and have students on 3 of the 4 sides.

Now you're just getting greedy.

Having students occupy one court side along an entire baseline and upwards of the entire lower bowl would be a great improvement over what students have access to now, and will be sufficient to create an environment supportive of the home team. Our students don't need to surround the court (nor would they distribute themselves equally), and neither do I think that your suggestion is a reasonable reserved seating arrangement given the seats required by Duke Club supporters.

Armchair architects are a great thing. Almost as valuable and meaningful as vestigial tails.

That's what I get for not reading every last thing JMU posts. I should know better.

(10-20-2017 01:35 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 06:58 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In an interview Bourne mentioned there have been a dozen design changes since the beginning of the project and he mentioned student seating among other things. Let’s hope they get it right.
The current rendering shows students only on one baseline. That is not good.
They should be designing to maximize home court advantage as a priority. Do you want to have a winning team and an energetic environment JMU players love to play in? Put their classmates all around the action. Having 5 or 6 rows surrounding the court is the way to go and that will create a great environment. If JMU wants to avoid student fans behind the benches, then leave the club seats there and have students on 3 of the 4 sides.

Now you're just getting greedy.

Having students occupy one court side along an entire baseline and upwards of the entire lower bowl would be a great improvement over what students have access to now, and will be sufficient to create an environment supportive of the home team. Our students don't need to surround the court (nor would they distribute themselves equally), and neither do I think that your suggestion is a reasonable reserved seating arrangement given the seats required by Duke Club supporters.

Armchair architects are a great thing. Almost as valuable and meaningful as vestigial tails.

Yeah, that would never happen. What is a good number to hold for students, 1.5 - 2K??? Having it as you suggest would feel a lot like the way Godwin used to be. We could rock, never sit, toss our roll of toilet paper, and never disturb or hit the paying fans in the back of the head. It would be nice if the design allow for the students to be on the side seen for the cameras.

(10-20-2017 04:36 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:35 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 06:58 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In an interview Bourne mentioned there have been a dozen design changes since the beginning of the project and he mentioned student seating among other things. Let’s hope they get it right.
The current rendering shows students only on one baseline. That is not good.
They should be designing to maximize home court advantage as a priority. Do you want to have a winning team and an energetic environment JMU players love to play in? Put their classmates all around the action. Having 5 or 6 rows surrounding the court is the way to go and that will create a great environment. If JMU wants to avoid student fans behind the benches, then leave the club seats there and have students on 3 of the 4 sides.

Now you're just getting greedy.

Having students occupy one court side along an entire baseline and upwards of the entire lower bowl would be a great improvement over what students have access to now, and will be sufficient to create an environment supportive of the home team. Our students don't need to surround the court (nor would they distribute themselves equally), and neither do I think that your suggestion is a reasonable reserved seating arrangement given the seats required by Duke Club supporters.

Armchair architects are a great thing. Almost as valuable and meaningful as vestigial tails.

Yeah, that would never happen. What is a good number to hold for students, 1.5 - 2K??? Having it as you suggest would feel a lot like the way Godwin used to be. We could rock, never sit, toss our roll of toilet paper, and never disturb or hit the paying fans in the back of the head. It would be nice if the design allow for the students to be on the side seen for the cameras.

I agree it would be nice if the cameras showed the student side, but I doubt that will be the case, primarily because the benches will be on the Duke Club side, opposite the students (for reasons of hot dog and toilet paper throwing).

(10-20-2017 01:35 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 06:58 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In an interview Bourne mentioned there have been a dozen design changes since the beginning of the project and he mentioned student seating among other things. Let’s hope they get it right.
The current rendering shows students only on one baseline. That is not good.
They should be designing to maximize home court advantage as a priority. Do you want to have a winning team and an energetic environment JMU players love to play in? Put their classmates all around the action. Having 5 or 6 rows surrounding the court is the way to go and that will create a great environment. If JMU wants to avoid student fans behind the benches, then leave the club seats there and have students on 3 of the 4 sides.

Now you're just getting greedy.

Having students occupy one court side along an entire baseline and upwards of the entire lower bowl would be a great improvement over what students have access to now, and will be sufficient to create an environment supportive of the home team. Our students don't need to surround the court (nor would they distribute themselves equally), and neither do I think that your suggestion is a reasonable reserved seating arrangement given the seats required by Duke Club supporters.

Armchair architects are a great thing. Almost as valuable and meaningful as vestigial tails.

Do you want to create a basketball arena with significant home court advantage or do you want to create a country club? The club seats on one sideline are ample for people that want to get something for their money. Additionally there are courtside folding chairs on the hardwood. I don't think it is greedy at all to suggest the students should have the first 5 or 6 rows on the other 3 sides. The great college arenas do not restrict the student body to one baseline.
I am a Duke Club supporter like many on this board and I would Absolutely prefer to sit in the 7th row if it means the students are in the first 6 rows. This is their team just as much as it is for alumni and donors.

One of the companies involved worked on ODU's Constant Center and that is one of the major flaws there. Their students sit behind one basket. It is too sterile and not representative of what a college basketball environment should be. Even the Convo is better for student seating with all of its warts. They get the Dawg Pound on each baseline and I think one of the 100 level sections on the sideline. The migration away from student bleachers on each baseline floor has certainly reduced homecourt advantage over the years. Even previous coaches would admit that.

We'll see what JMU approves as a final design. If they leave students in one baseline only it will be a tragic failure. We can't have a regression in homecourt advantage along with an $88 million price tag. It has to get better

A ring of students around the court, and behind the nets is an excellent idea

One thing I would think to consider, behind the basket seating needs to be fans who stay until the end. Fans who like to feel they are participating. You know, the guy who holds up a big brick type fan. Are these people students? Or are they young fans, just out of school?

(10-20-2017 06:45 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  A ring of students around the court, and behind the nets is an excellent idea

In the best college environments, students have the majority of the front row seats. I’d love to sit behind a bunch of students with an amped up atmosphere. These days I prefer to sit a little higher up and get the wider view angles.

If this turns into a country club wine and cheese arena, it will be a disaster and have no real home court advantage.

Having said that, they also need to create some incentives for students to stay the whole game and not just for 20 minutes. Maybe a “priority points” type setup if not already in place for the student duke club. Let those students with the most points/loyalty get the best seating.

(10-20-2017 05:20 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:35 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 06:58 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In an interview Bourne mentioned there have been a dozen design changes since the beginning of the project and he mentioned student seating among other things. Let’s hope they get it right.
The current rendering shows students only on one baseline. That is not good.
They should be designing to maximize home court advantage as a priority. Do you want to have a winning team and an energetic environment JMU players love to play in? Put their classmates all around the action. Having 5 or 6 rows surrounding the court is the way to go and that will create a great environment. If JMU wants to avoid student fans behind the benches, then leave the club seats there and have students on 3 of the 4 sides.

Now you're just getting greedy.

Having students occupy one court side along an entire baseline and upwards of the entire lower bowl would be a great improvement over what students have access to now, and will be sufficient to create an environment supportive of the home team. Our students don't need to surround the court (nor would they distribute themselves equally), and neither do I think that your suggestion is a reasonable reserved seating arrangement given the seats required by Duke Club supporters.

Armchair architects are a great thing. Almost as valuable and meaningful as vestigial tails.

Do you want to create a basketball arena with significant home court advantage or do you want to create a country club? The club seats on one sideline are ample for people that want to get something for their money. Additionally there are courtside folding chairs on the hardwood. I don't think it is greedy at all to suggest the students should have the first 5 or 6 rows on the other 3 sides. The great college arenas do not restrict the student body to one baseline.
I am a Duke Club supporter like many on this board and I would Absolutely prefer to sit in the 7th row if it means the students are in the first 6 rows. This is their team just as much as it is for alumni and donors.

One of the companies involved worked on ODU's Constant Center and that is one of the major flaws there. Their students sit behind one basket. It is too sterile and not representative of what a college basketball environment should be. Even the Convo is better for student seating with all of its warts. They get the Dawg Pound on each baseline and I think one of the 100 level sections on the sideline. The migration away from student bleachers on each baseline floor has certainly reduced homecourt advantage over the years. Even previous coaches would admit that.

We'll see what JMU approves as a final design. If they leave students in one baseline only it will be a tragic failure. We can't have a regression in homecourt advantage along with an $88 million price tag. It has to get better

In your opinion...but it’s not going to happen, nor is it a major “flaw” to have students sitting along only one entire sideline (as opposed to a “ring around the court”)...so stop with the hyperventilating. If students were limited to seats solely behind the baskets I’d agree with you.

Longhorn, the baseline is the line behind the baskets, not the sideline...

(10-20-2017 11:30 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Longhorn, the baseline is the line behind the baskets, not the sideline...

Lol.

Perhaps we can glean some insight from Duke who has the biggest home court advantage in college basketball. Their students surround the court with the only exception being the area behind the benches reserved for visiting fans and Duke Player families.
Good enough for Duke, but not good enough for the Dukes?

Anyone with common sense gets it.
Michigan State does it too. Here is a quote from Tom Izzo,
"You want great students and great fans," Michigan State coach Tom Izzo said. "You can have a nice facility, but what you really want are rabid, hard-nosed fans close to the court."

I think that settles it. Izzo is speaking straight out of the Mike Houston vocabulary. If that doesn’t change your mind, you don’t bleed purple.

Here is Duke’s configuration and it is such an easy design fix for JMU to do.

(10-20-2017 11:30 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Longhorn, the baseline is the line behind the baskets, not the sideline...

Brain fart! My mistake. Guess you could tell what I was intending.

we aren't Duke

“Lady Dukes Center”

Is it too late to add these 15,000 LED lights to the new arena. Go ahead and put them in BFS while we're at it it would make for some great night games.

https://www.wimp.com/newly-built-stadium...ht-system/

i would have a seizure in that arena for sure

Fence posts started going up today for the UB&T Center.

IT'S HAPPENING

(04-09-2018 08:49 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Fence posts started going up today for the UB&T Center.

IT'S HAPPENING