Wait for the poll

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D-II/D-III fam: I say we go to the NAIA anyway.

(10-13-2017 11:19 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  You forgot this option:
D-II/D-III fam: I say we go to the NAIA anyway.

Consider your post a write-in

The NCAA should just be abolished at this point. It has no power or is afraid to use it (or paid not to use it).

And as a G5 fan, I most certainly feel the replacement would be worse.

(10-13-2017 11:23 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  The NCAA should just be abolished at this point. It has no power or is afraid to use it (or paid not to use it).

And as a G5 fan, I most certainly feel the replacement would be worse.

This is true.... +2.... The P5 have the product and the NCAA is afraid they might split with it. The networks have the power and money to cause a split to occur.

If the main purpose of the NCAA is to conduct championships, then won't any organization that replaces it in carrying out that function become just like the NCAA? What's the point?

If the main purpose of intercollegiate athletics is to foster a "sound mind in a sound body", then why do we need championships at all? And, as for football, it could be argued that it doesn't foster either sound bodies or sound minds.

The only thing left is that it entertains us, so that's all we should be worried about - is it doing a good job of entertaining us?

(10-13-2017 11:23 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  The NCAA should just be abolished at this point. It has no power or is afraid to use it (or paid not to use it).

And as a G5 fan, I most certainly feel the replacement would be worse.

IDK. I think a new organization might be better suited to handle the emerging issues in college sports. The NCAA has basically been a paper tiger since media rights became the number one issue of the day. They are afraid to apply their own rules or take an serious actions against member institutions. They have ultimately failed, time and again, to preserve the collegiate athletic structure envisioned by the NCAA, that being the mythical "student-athlete". It isn't the NCAA's fault really, at the time of its foundation it was much closer to its idealistic goal of the amateur athlete than it was today. There are still many universities and student-athletes, the overwhelming majority in fact, that are well covered by the NCAA's guidelines and goals.

It is the remaining percentage which has led to an ongoing debate. Those players which are coveted enough to command payment. These players, and institutions which use these players, are not currently well served by the NCAA. Many of these elite players did not "come to play school". Despite the demand for dollars, they cannot recieve a wage for the services provided to their schools. While I feel they are well compensated by a full-ride scholarship to a university, others do not feel that way. These players still receive payments but are largely unpunished for it, and the institutions themselves are rarely punished for it. There are tremondous financial incentive to ensure these players remain eligible from the players, the schools, and the NCAA. The result is we have an organization who in by-laws and spirit are actively against this concept and other concepts that prevade college athletics but are unwilling to punish its members for doing it. This fear of repercussion, regardless of the NCAA's own competence to met out punishment, drives these schools and players to dirty underhanded dealers which are of VERY questionable legality as seen by the recent FBI investigation.

I don't know if a wholesale overthrow of the NCAA is the best solution, but it might be a good solution for that upper echelon of players and schools. This would include the current P5, the MWC, the AAC, the independent, and good portion of the remaining G5. I think these are the schools that can start looking for legal disassociation of the school from athletic clubs which allow players to be paid and develop and to also protect the club's, school's, and player's interests. This type of structure almost requires a new organization, but it could be done.

I feel as though football should be exempt from the NCAA. The NCAA works great for sports like Volleyball. And even basketball because those sports are a level field dependent on what the school itself is willing to invest.

Football has so many quirky traditions and unsaid rules that it's impossible to say it's an equal playing field.

(10-13-2017 10:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Wait for the poll

You didn't list my option: "It Should Have Already Happened!"

I'm going to foist the announcement flag on this poll ... because I'm incredibly curious to see how this shakes out at different levels.

I voted to get rid of it. I am a G5 alum/fan. The inmates are running the asylum. We need a strong commissioner type and the presidents need to go back to running their universities.

(10-13-2017 02:24 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I feel as though football should be exempt from the NCAA. The NCAA works great for sports like Volleyball. And even basketball because those sports are a level field dependent on what the school itself is willing to invest.

Football has so many quirky traditions and unsaid rules that it's impossible to say it's an equal playing field.

If you want to eliminate the NCAA, the best way to go is to arrange for the national organizations for each sport to administer the same sport at the collegiate levels. It's just a minor expansion of their existing mission. For example, from the USA Volleyball website, "USA Volleyball is the National Governing Body (NGB) for the sport of volleyball in the United States and is recognized as such by the Federation Internationale de Volleyball and the United States Olympic Committee (USOC)."

So, USA Volleyball administers college volleyball, publishes the rules of the sport, certifies referees, runs national championship tournaments, etc. US Soccer does the same for college soccer, USA Baseball for college baseball, and on and on. Each school that fields a varsity team in a sport would pay the national organization an annual fee, and the total fees would need to be enough to cover the national organization's costs for administering the college level of the sport.

I think that the Power 5 (plus AAC & MWC and for basketball add the Big East to that list) would be better suited if they pulled their men's basketball and football out of the NCAA and created their own structure with its own rules and enforcement mechanisms. It's time we stopped toting elite college sports as amateurish and call it what it really is--a marketing wing for the university.

The Punishment for cheating would be simple and effective--expulsion from this revenue generating organization and relegation back to the NCAA.

(10-13-2017 03:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I voted to get rid of it. I am a G5 alum/fan. The inmates are running the asylum. We need a strong commissioner type and the presidents need to go back to running their universities.

I agree. There needs to be a commissioner or governing board for big time college football that can actually be effectual.

I just hope that the FBI finds some big link in the college basketball investigation and the NCAA. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but it'd be a big reason to just trash it and start over like we want.

(10-13-2017 03:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 03:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I voted to get rid of it. I am a G5 alum/fan. The inmates are running the asylum. We need a strong commissioner type and the presidents need to go back to running their universities.

I agree. There needs to be a commissioner or governing board for big time college football that can actually be effectual.

Thanks, I also fully agree with your post above as well.

Rather than abolish the NCAA, it would be prudent to consider restructuring the NCAA to be less of a watchdog. Especially when watching the blue bloods. And as the sole enforcer of sanctions which for the most part has been to use lesser schools as examples of their power to punish. There have been exceptions. But it seems evident they tend to go easy on the "major bread winners" and use the "less fortunate schools" as examples of their punishment tactics.

Wonder if what happened at Penn State would have happened here, would we still be allowed to compete in football? Ever?

Wonder if the FBI investigation leads to finding that the NCAA has had a tendency to "look the other way" when it comes to certain programs to protect the cashcows?

With the FBI involved now, I bet there are a lot of very paranoid people doing the "wait and see what happens." Until then, most are just hoping this "goes away."

(10-13-2017 03:29 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  Rather than abolish the NCAA, it would be prudent to consider restructuring the NCAA to be less of a watchdog. Especially when watching the blue bloods. And as the sole enforcer of sanctions which for the most part has been to use lesser schools as examples of their power to punish. There have been exceptions. But it seems evident they tend to go easy on the "major bread winners" and use the "less fortunate schools" as examples of their punishment tactics.

Wonder if what happened at Penn State would have happened here, would we still be allowed to compete in football? Ever?

Wonder if the FBI investigation leads to finding that the NCAA has had a tendency to "look the other way" when it comes to certain programs to protect the cashcows?

With the FBI involved now, I bet there are a lot of very paranoid people doing the "wait and see what happens." Until then, most are just hoping this "goes away."

Not only would your football program have been given the death sentence, Memphis would had to hand the keys to the doors over to the state.

clt says the NCAA proved today that it is no longer needed. UNC CHeat is rewarded for massive academic fraud.

At one time I truly believed the focus of the NCAA was on maintaining some semblance of a level playing field among members and protecting the interests of the student and the amateur athlete. Recent events, especially the NCAA's shocking but almost expected ruling favoring UNC-CH in its case of academic fraud to keep athletes eligible, make it clear that the NCAA is no longer an organization fulfilling its original benevolent purpose. The NCAA is now just another tool of its most influential members with no accountability to the membership at large. The NCAA no longer has integrity.

I say stop the charade and let the NCAA perish.