(10-13-2017 04:33 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Have no idea, but this does seem the perfect chance for the Power Breakoff. No longer share the money for the NCAA Basketball tourney. Create their on Assocation to not share the money.

Actually, why would the power schools break off? The system has never worked better for them then it has the past few years.

(10-16-2017 07:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 04:33 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Have no idea, but this does seem the perfect chance for the Power Breakoff. No longer share the money for the NCAA Basketball tourney. Create their on Assocation to not share the money.

Actually, why would the power schools break off? The system has never worked better for them then it has the past few years.

Quite. The reason they were threatening breakaway was to get the additional autonomy they achieved.

If the gravy train slows down, that might push them to shake the last pile of money out of the system, but as long as the money continues to grow under the current system, there's not a lot of incentive to risk a big shake-up.

(10-16-2017 07:54 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 10:42 AM)Artifice Wrote:  

Plagiarism is "failure to give appropriate credit" ... if there are no sources, that is a 0 for Plagiarism, even if it is not, as they speculate, a "recycled paper", which would be not just Plagiarism, but an "F*" for "failure from the class due to academic fraud". Even if it is the student's own work, recycling a paper that was work performed for credit for another course is academic fraud.

Also, "... but I couldn't figure from where" ... if they used Turnitin, then they would know from where. If they didn't use Turnitin, it's because they wanted to not catch plagiarism.

Not to mention Crowder had no business assigning any grades. She wasn't faculty. She was just a fangirl who landed and admin job with too much access. IIRC, she's also been living with former Tarheel player Warren Martin for the past 20 years. To say she is an obsessed fangirl who would do whatever for the team is an understatement.

Quite the catch too:

I'm certainly no UNC apologist (I think they've been cheating like crazy!), but those who point the finger at the NCAA as if they failed to enforce the rules they have are misguided, IMO. The problem is simple: the member schools haven't give the NCAA the authority they would need to properly police a situation like UNC. or Penn State. or Baylor. The NCAA rules are woefully out of date and inadequate for today's cheating recruiting. But how many think that all FBS schools would be able to agree on minimum academic standards? How about on sexual misconduct standards? The schools don't appear to be willing to give that authority - at least, not until now. I suppose it's possible that recent scandals might move them to revise the NCAA rule book - if so, great! If not... expect things to get worse.

(10-16-2017 10:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm certainly no UNC apologist (I think they've been cheating like crazy!), but those who point the finger at the NCAA as if they failed to enforce the rules they have are misguided, IMO. The problem is simple: the member schools haven't give the NCAA the authority they would need to properly police a situation like UNC. or Penn State. or Baylor. The NCAA rules are woefully out of date and inadequate for today's cheating recruiting. But how many think that all FBS schools would be able to agree on minimum academic standards? How about on sexual misconduct standards? The schools don't appear to be willing to give that authority - at least, not until now. I suppose it's possible that recent scandals might move them to revise the NCAA rule book - if so, great! If not... expect things to get worse.

I don't think it's delegation. It's justification.

The NCAA is doing a terrible job explaining where and why they fit into these situations. It's not just on schools giving the NCAA power. The NCAA isn't exerting effort in what power it does already have, interpreting their authority when applying punishment.

I get the impression, the sour experience the NCAA had with Penn State AND Miami is why you have the result we just got with UNC. They don't put the manpower into their fact-finding or punishment justification, and then get their clocks cleaned in court, or get exposed for draconian methods. Whatever you thought you saw from the fringes of Penn State, who hardly even put up a fight (more like others FOR PSU than many administratively within) imagine the force UNC would bring against it?

(10-16-2017 10:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm certainly no UNC apologist (I think they've been cheating like crazy!), but those who point the finger at the NCAA as if they failed to enforce the rules they have are misguided, IMO. The problem is simple: the member schools haven't give the NCAA the authority they would need to properly police a situation like UNC. or Penn State. or Baylor. The NCAA rules are woefully out of date and inadequate for today's cheating recruiting. But how many think that all FBS schools would be able to agree on minimum academic standards? How about on sexual misconduct standards? The schools don't appear to be willing to give that authority - at least, not until now. I suppose it's possible that recent scandals might move them to revise the NCAA rule book - if so, great! If not... expect things to get worse.

Penn St. was out of their territory and they shouldn't have gotten involved.

Baylor and UNC are. UNC is in fact right in their territory. This was all done to falsely keep student-athletes eligible. Baylor was violating their own rules in keeping athletes eligible. Not as clear as UNC, but definitely within the rules. They already punished Montana for basically the same thing (but worse in terms of coaches involvement, not necessarily in number of crimes).

(10-16-2017 11:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm certainly no UNC apologist (I think they've been cheating like crazy!), but those who point the finger at the NCAA as if they failed to enforce the rules they have are misguided, IMO. The problem is simple: the member schools haven't give the NCAA the authority they would need to properly police a situation like UNC. or Penn State. or Baylor. The NCAA rules are woefully out of date and inadequate for today's cheating recruiting. But how many think that all FBS schools would be able to agree on minimum academic standards? How about on sexual misconduct standards? The schools don't appear to be willing to give that authority - at least, not until now. I suppose it's possible that recent scandals might move them to revise the NCAA rule book - if so, great! If not... expect things to get worse.

Penn St. was out of their territory and they shouldn't have gotten involved.

Baylor and UNC are. UNC is in fact right in their territory. This was all done to falsely keep student-athletes eligible. Baylor was violating their own rules in keeping athletes eligible. Not as clear as UNC, but definitely within the rules. They already punished Montana for basically the same thing (but worse in terms of coaches involvement, not necessarily in number of crimes).

So basically UofL is the dumbest University in ALL the NCAA. We sought out THE ONLY WAYS TO CHEAT the NCAA so we will get hammered.

We are so dumb.


Unbelievable!

Quote:We are so dumb.

Your school might be the last major to ever really work with the NCAA in such a way where it concerns those bigger violation types. There isn't incentive to anymore.

Consider what happened with Pacific recently. UoP worked with the NCAA to help it find the depth of these issues, and self-imposed sanctions on its own programs impacted in the mess. Doesn't the NCAA slap on more probation, fines, and vacate wins? I mean, FFS...

Don't get me wrong...Pacific deserved some punishment here, but, at what point does the NCAA do the work itself, like it ought to, and take action against those who resist and fight these things, not as punitive or retaliation, but for non-compliance? And, also, when schools DO work with you, actually give them the slap on the wrist instead of these multiple penalties, especially when they self-impose with post-season participation bans? It's not right at all.

https://totalfratmove.com/unc-fraterniti...ce=IGStory

(10-16-2017 11:54 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 11:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm certainly no UNC apologist (I think they've been cheating like crazy!), but those who point the finger at the NCAA as if they failed to enforce the rules they have are misguided, IMO. The problem is simple: the member schools haven't give the NCAA the authority they would need to properly police a situation like UNC. or Penn State. or Baylor. The NCAA rules are woefully out of date and inadequate for today's cheating recruiting. But how many think that all FBS schools would be able to agree on minimum academic standards? How about on sexual misconduct standards? The schools don't appear to be willing to give that authority - at least, not until now. I suppose it's possible that recent scandals might move them to revise the NCAA rule book - if so, great! If not... expect things to get worse.

Penn St. was out of their territory and they shouldn't have gotten involved.

Baylor and UNC are. UNC is in fact right in their territory. This was all done to falsely keep student-athletes eligible. Baylor was violating their own rules in keeping athletes eligible. Not as clear as UNC, but definitely within the rules. They already punished Montana for basically the same thing (but worse in terms of coaches involvement, not necessarily in number of crimes).

So basically UofL is the dumbest University in ALL the NCAA. We sought out THE ONLY WAYS TO CHEAT the NCAA so we will get hammered.

We are so dumb.


Unbelievable!

You should have provided prostitutes to all the students, male and female.

(10-16-2017 10:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm certainly no UNC apologist (I think they've been cheating like crazy!), but those who point the finger at the NCAA as if they failed to enforce the rules they have are misguided, IMO. The problem is simple: the member schools haven't give the NCAA the authority they would need to properly police a situation like UNC. or Penn State. or Baylor. The NCAA rules are woefully out of date and inadequate for today's cheating recruiting. But how many think that all FBS schools would be able to agree on minimum academic standards? How about on sexual misconduct standards? The schools don't appear to be willing to give that authority - at least, not until now. I suppose it's possible that recent scandals might move them to revise the NCAA rule book - if so, great! If not... expect things to get worse.

Falsifying grades like in the Crowder email is against the NCAA rules.


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