(10-14-2017 07:14 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 06:13 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 03:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 02:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  One thing is that people would buy the cheap junk insurance that would not cover cancer and all that. How is that to help people if they can't get the right coverage? There are Dems and Repubs going behind their leaders' backs working on a bipartisan bill to keep all the good stuff, let insurance companies under ACA to have stuff removed that they do not want and all that. Doing this without having anything to replaced the ACA would throw the health care industry for everyone in a loop. The low income people would lose their health care coverage because they can not afford this is taken away from them. A family of 4 under $63,000 pay $250 a month for ACA coverage. What Trump did would raise their monthly premiums up to $3650 a month. When a family only making $25,000 a year and the monthly income is like $1500 a month? How can they afford the payments? The money that goes to the insurance companies helps keep the monthly premiums for people who are above the poverty level and still can not afford the premiums. That is the problem. That money is actually paid by the tax-payers going to help people who paid these taxes. Now, Trump is robbing the poor to give to the rich military industry. Why give handouts to the to corporations that build planes and all that when they are the ones making the profit while the families are struggling?

Awwwe. $3,650 a month. So sad too bad for them. Why should I care? You and all the Dems never gave a flying fig when those bills were arriving at homes of middle class families across the nation. You celebrated and told us it was great victory for the American people. Maybe it's time to create a healthcare plan that does what Obamacare was supposed to do---lower costs and improve service---instead of trying to sell everyone a $3,650 a month pig in a poke policy while sticking the middle class with the bill.

Welcome single payer. Congress doesn't have time now to deal with this, Iran, DACA, pass a budget and do tax reform.

Aww, poor Congress can't keep up with Trump?

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

Trump is incoherent and incompetent. He is incapable of creating a plan, developing the plan, working with Congress to get the plan enough votes to pass and ultimately passing anything. He just creates chaos and disruption which means that none of the things that you want will ever get done.

(10-14-2017 02:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  One thing is that people would buy the cheap junk insurance that would not cover cancer and all that. How is that to help people if they can't get the right coverage? There are Dems and Repubs going behind their leaders' backs working on a bipartisan bill to keep all the good stuff, let insurance companies under ACA to have stuff removed that they do not want and all that. Doing this without having anything to replaced the ACA would throw the health care industry for everyone in a loop. The low income people would lose their health care coverage because they can not afford this is taken away from them. A family of 4 under $63,000 pay $250 a month for ACA coverage. What Trump did would raise their monthly premiums up to $3650 a month. When a family only making $25,000 a year and the monthly income is like $1500 a month? How can they afford the payments? The money that goes to the insurance companies helps keep the monthly premiums for people who are above the poverty level and still can not afford the premiums. That is the problem. That money is actually paid by the tax-payers going to help people who paid these taxes. Now, Trump is robbing the poor to give to the rich military industry. Why give handouts to the to corporations that build planes and all that when they are the ones making the profit while the families are struggling?

This is a fundamental difference between the left and the right. You're advocating for turning over personal responsibility to the state. I always advocate for personal responsibility first. You are responsible for yourself. The government should never come into the mix.

(10-14-2017 09:11 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 02:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  One thing is that people would buy the cheap junk insurance that would not cover cancer and all that. How is that to help people if they can't get the right coverage? There are Dems and Repubs going behind their leaders' backs working on a bipartisan bill to keep all the good stuff, let insurance companies under ACA to have stuff removed that they do not want and all that. Doing this without having anything to replaced the ACA would throw the health care industry for everyone in a loop. The low income people would lose their health care coverage because they can not afford this is taken away from them. A family of 4 under $63,000 pay $250 a month for ACA coverage. What Trump did would raise their monthly premiums up to $3650 a month. When a family only making $25,000 a year and the monthly income is like $1500 a month? How can they afford the payments? The money that goes to the insurance companies helps keep the monthly premiums for people who are above the poverty level and still can not afford the premiums. That is the problem. That money is actually paid by the tax-payers going to help people who paid these taxes. Now, Trump is robbing the poor to give to the rich military industry. Why give handouts to the to corporations that build planes and all that when they are the ones making the profit while the families are struggling?

This is a fundamental difference between the left and the right. You're advocating for turning over personal responsibility to the state. I always advocate for personal responsibility first. You are responsible for yourself. The government should never come into the mix.

This x100!

(10-15-2017 01:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:11 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 02:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  One thing is that people would buy the cheap junk insurance that would not cover cancer and all that. How is that to help people if they can't get the right coverage? There are Dems and Repubs going behind their leaders' backs working on a bipartisan bill to keep all the good stuff, let insurance companies under ACA to have stuff removed that they do not want and all that. Doing this without having anything to replaced the ACA would throw the health care industry for everyone in a loop. The low income people would lose their health care coverage because they can not afford this is taken away from them. A family of 4 under $63,000 pay $250 a month for ACA coverage. What Trump did would raise their monthly premiums up to $3650 a month. When a family only making $25,000 a year and the monthly income is like $1500 a month? How can they afford the payments? The money that goes to the insurance companies helps keep the monthly premiums for people who are above the poverty level and still can not afford the premiums. That is the problem. That money is actually paid by the tax-payers going to help people who paid these taxes. Now, Trump is robbing the poor to give to the rich military industry. Why give handouts to the to corporations that build planes and all that when they are the ones making the profit while the families are struggling?

This is a fundamental difference between the left and the right. You're advocating for turning over personal responsibility to the state. I always advocate for personal responsibility first. You are responsible for yourself. The government should never come into the mix.

This x100!

100 x 2!

(10-14-2017 03:17 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 02:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  One thing is that people would buy the cheap junk insurance that would not cover cancer and all that. How is that to help people if they can't get the right coverage? There are Dems and Repubs going behind their leaders' backs working on a bipartisan bill to keep all the good stuff, let insurance companies under ACA to have stuff removed that they do not want and all that. Doing this without having anything to replaced the ACA would throw the health care industry for everyone in a loop. The low income people would lose their health care coverage because they can not afford this is taken away from them. A family of 4 under $63,000 pay $250 a month for ACA coverage. What Trump did would raise their monthly premiums up to $3650 a month. When a family only making $25,000 a year and the monthly income is like $1500 a month? How can they afford the payments? The money that goes to the insurance companies helps keep the monthly premiums for people who are above the poverty level and still can not afford the premiums. That is the problem. That money is actually paid by the tax-payers going to help people who paid these taxes. Now, Trump is robbing the poor to give to the rich military industry. Why give handouts to the to corporations that build planes and all that when they are the ones making the profit while the families are struggling?

Awwwe. $3,650 a month. So sad too bad for them. Why should I care? You and all the Dems never gave a flying fig when those bills were arriving at homes of middle class families across the nation. You celebrated and told us it was great victory for the American people. Maybe it's time to create a healthcare plan that does what Obamacare was supposed to do---lower costs and improve service---instead of trying to sell everyone a $3,650 a month pig in a poke policy while sticking the middle class with the bill.

When I read that particular comment above it made me recall the following article.

The Mercury News
Obamacare’s winners and losers in Bay Area
By TRACY SEIPEL | tseipel@bayareanewsgroup.com | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: October 5, 2013 at 10:52 am | UPDATED: August 12, 2016 at 11:18 am

Now get this: remember how conservatives were opposed to ObamaCare and how we warned people what would happen? Well, check out what this guy had to say...

Quote:Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.

Quote:“I was laughing at Boehner — until the mail came today,” Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare.

“I really don’t like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this.

This guy, Tom Waschura is a "52-year-old self-employed engineer". Must have a decent education. Then he opens his mouth and actually said this:

Quote:“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”

Dude, when the government says "free" that means "you and I" pay for it.


He's apparently one of those "stupid American voters" Obama, the Dems and Gruber were COUNTING on.

Being an engineer only guarantees that he knows how to build things not about how to fund things the government tosses at us. What a dumb S.

(10-15-2017 08:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Being an engineer only guarantees that he knows how to build things not about how to fund things the government tosses at us. What a dumb S.

Also book smarts doesn't equal common sense or fiscal sense.
Some of the smartest people I know are dumb$hits with money.

(10-15-2017 09:37 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Being an engineer only guarantees that he knows how to build things not about how to fund things the government tosses at us. What a dumb S.

Also book smarts doesn't equal common sense or fiscal sense.
Some of the smartest people I know are dumb$hits with money.

lol...the problem with most of those folks is that the Democrats tell you things like this tax bill will "soak the rich" and Obmacare will save "middle class" families $2500 a year. These folks dont think they are "rich" (which is not surprising, because they are not "rich"). What people dont understand is the Democrat definition of "the rich" would surprise many of "the rich". In other words, the vast majority of folks they define as "the rich" would define themselves as "middle class".

When I was a kid my mom would sometimes use terms like lower middle class and upper middle class. The Democrats have taken to viewing pretty much anyone over the median income as "rich".

(10-16-2017 12:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 09:37 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 08:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Being an engineer only guarantees that he knows how to build things not about how to fund things the government tosses at us. What a dumb S.

Also book smarts doesn't equal common sense or fiscal sense.
Some of the smartest people I know are dumb$hits with money.

lol...the problem with most of those folks is that the Democrats tell you things like this tax bill will "soak the rich" and Obmacare will save "middle class" families $2500 a year. These folks dont think they are "rich" (which is not surprising, because they are not "rich"). What people dont understand is the Democrat definition of "the rich" would surprise many of "the rich". In other words, the vast majority of folks they define as "the rich" would define themselves as "middle class".

When I was a kid my mom would sometimes use terms like lower middle class and upper middle class. The Democrats have taken oi viewing pretty much anyone over the median income as "rich".

that's b/c the dipshites created a welfare class to gain votes....

it's disgusting how this has progressed during my lifetime.....

now we have a shiteload of old ***** that can barely buy toilet paper that 'require' overpriced healthcare and a shiteload of spoiled young bucks that wipe their face with it.....

try solving that problem......it's not easy within today's political construct....

it's a simple numbers game the dippos like to spin using percentages as the meaningful 'constant' within their overtaxing economical argument(s).....

too many really don't understand why growing up in the 'sip is one of the best guides one could receive in the face of reality.....

Just as I thought. This hurts Trump voters most.

"States that voted for President Trump in the 2016 presidential election will be most impacted by his decision to cut off key ObamaCare payments, according to an analysis conducted by The Associated Press.

The study found that 70 percent of those who benefit from the subsidies are from states where Trump won.

In the 30 states that Trump carried, about 4 million people benefit from the cost-sharing payments, the AP reported."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/355...uts-report

(10-16-2017 05:26 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Just as I thought. This hurts Trump voters most.

"States that voted for President Trump in the 2016 presidential election will be most impacted by his decision to cut off key ObamaCare payments, according to an analysis conducted by The Associated Press.

The study found that 70 percent of those who benefit from the subsidies are from states where Trump won.

In the 30 states that Trump carried, about 4 million people benefit from the cost-sharing payments, the AP reported."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/355...uts-report

then you should be content with the decision.

after all you get what you vote for.

So he kicked this back to Congress to go through traditional appropriation measures, just as should have been done to begin with, and he's cutting off benefits to millions? What if Congress approves them?

(10-16-2017 08:01 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  So he kicked this back to Congress to go through traditional appropriation measures, just as should have been done to begin with, and he's cutting off benefits to millions? What if Congress approves them?

it'll still be DJT's fault......

everything being done in an attempt to fix 'fatal fail' is all his fault....

40% of the nation coupled with the illegals are lovin' it like a mickey D's overpriced/subsidized latte shooting out of their arse in flames.....

(10-16-2017 08:06 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 08:01 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  So he kicked this back to Congress to go through traditional appropriation measures, just as should have been done to begin with, and he's cutting off benefits to millions? What if Congress approves them?

it'll still be DJT's fault......

everything being done in an attempt to fix 'fatal fail' is all his fault....

40% of the nation coupled with the illegals are lovin' it like a mickey D's overpriced/subsidized latte shooting out of their arse in flames.....

(10-16-2017 05:26 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Just as I thought. This hurts Trump voters most.

"States that voted for President Trump in the 2016 presidential election will be most impacted by his decision to cut off key ObamaCare payments, according to an analysis conducted by The Associated Press.

The study found that 70 percent of those who benefit from the subsidies are from states where Trump won.

In the 30 states that Trump carried, about 4 million people benefit from the cost-sharing payments, the AP reported."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/355...uts-report

Only thing is a good share of those people impacted were probably voting Dem anyway... free handouts and all.

(10-16-2017 09:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 05:26 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Just as I thought. This hurts Trump voters most.

"States that voted for President Trump in the 2016 presidential election will be most impacted by his decision to cut off key ObamaCare payments, according to an analysis conducted by The Associated Press.

The study found that 70 percent of those who benefit from the subsidies are from states where Trump won.

In the 30 states that Trump carried, about 4 million people benefit from the cost-sharing payments, the AP reported."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/355...uts-report

Only thing is a good share of those people impacted were probably voting Dem anyway... free handouts and all.

Because Republicans hate handouts.

(10-16-2017 09:44 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 09:33 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 05:26 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Just as I thought. This hurts Trump voters most.

"States that voted for President Trump in the 2016 presidential election will be most impacted by his decision to cut off key ObamaCare payments, according to an analysis conducted by The Associated Press.

The study found that 70 percent of those who benefit from the subsidies are from states where Trump won.

In the 30 states that Trump carried, about 4 million people benefit from the cost-sharing payments, the AP reported."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/355...uts-report

Only thing is a good share of those people impacted were probably voting Dem anyway... free handouts and all.

Because Republicans hate handouts.

RINOs? Probably not.

Hey, by the way... the subject of this thread...

Quote:RE: Trump to cut off key ObamaCare payments

is disingenuous and misleading. To be factual (yeah, I know, who cares about facts these days) it should be...

Quote:Trump upholds federal law regarding illegal ObamaCare payments

Again, nit-picking, but why not.

Libturds should be celebrating this move, as this retains the real Obamacare. Why suddenly all of the butthurt? Its now pure Obamacare.

Sanders said that drug companies, insurance and some parts need fixing. Need tO lOwer prices. You can l0wer prices by bringing generics ln.

(10-16-2017 10:13 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Libturds should be celebrating this move, as this retains the real Obamacare. Why suddenly all of the butthurt? Its now pure Obamacare.

Well, there's that.

But they are trying desperately to re-brand it under Trump to shift any scorn and blame away from them.


And given their voting base is, self-professed, stupid they're going to dupe a lot of people into believing it.