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Democrats & Hollywood Elitist Values
Anybody from the left care to defend or double-down that leftist values are truly American values and that the fly-over states are behind the times?

Here's your chance to make your case.
10-12-2017 09:50 AM
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Grab them by the *****.
10-12-2017 09:58 AM
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Can one believe that leftist America doesn't have traditional American values AND America on the right is also largely behind the times?
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(10-12-2017 11:53 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Can one believe that leftist America doesn't have traditional American values AND America on the right is also largely behind the times?

Possibly. Please expound.
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(10-12-2017 09:58 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  Grab them by the *****.

That is NY values, not Hollywood values, and most of us endorse grabbing da pu$$y!
10-12-2017 12:20 PM
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(10-12-2017 12:02 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 11:53 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Can one believe that leftist America doesn't have traditional American values AND America on the right is also largely behind the times?

Possibly. Please expound.

I don't think that leftist America has the values that we need to have leading the country. Both sides are playing identity politics right now, but I think the left started. They're falling farther and farther into wanting to "further define" free speech.

The right (and that includes this new right) wants to bring back things that I don't believe will have long term success. They want band-aids on these dying industries. I can understand why, but I think it's holding on something that will impede actual progress to those areas in the future.
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Remember all the Democrats who rode Detroit, Camden, Oakland, Newark and New Orleans straight into the ground, bleating about "liberal values” all the way down?

Normal America has been named as a villain by the same class of "leftist values" liberal idiots who have been wrong on everything from slavery to the viability of communism to the election of Trump. No more. "Leftist values" as they have been defined today by progressive liberalism have almost universally been rejected in this county.
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That’s a very wide stance...
10-12-2017 01:19 PM
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(10-12-2017 12:47 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Remember all the Democrats who rode Detroit, Camden, Oakland, Newark and New Orleans straight into the ground, bleating about "liberal values” all the way down?

Normal America has been named as a villain by the same class of "leftist values" liberal idiots who have been wrong on everything from slavery to the viability of communism to the election of Trump. No more. "Leftist values" as they have been defined today by progressive liberalism have almost universally been rejected in this county.

I'm not sure liberalism brought those places down. Detroit was brought down because it didn't diversify it's industry and had generations of people in the same race. I don't know what leftist values Oakland or New Orleans had. They were Democrats but it these weren't leftist places. They had trouble with corruption even before our concept of "leftist" even existed. They also depended on old success to last forever. Something in common with the right of today.

My small hometown that had been largely conservative for a long time did the same thing. Families of the big companies made it very hard for other companies to come in and mess up their pool of workers. They were successful for decades and everybody worked at these places at one time or another. You had guys working with their fathers and grandfathers. Then JP Taylor stops processing Tobacco, the cotton mill closes, Roses becomes a shadow of itself, Coke decides to go with plastic and the Glass plant doesn't hire anyone new for 13 or so years, Tungsten Mines goes down, Carolina bagging no longer upholsters for GM and dies AND they all happened at around the same time. Sh*t happens.

Neither the right or left have winning records and they oversee situations that go bad all the time. Good management isn't necessarily a quality of either.
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(10-12-2017 12:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 12:02 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 11:53 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Can one believe that leftist America doesn't have traditional American values AND America on the right is also largely behind the times?

Possibly. Please expound.

I don't think that leftist America has the values that we need to have leading the country. Both sides are playing identity politics right now, but I think the left started. They're falling farther and farther into wanting to "further define" free speech.

The right (and that includes this new right) wants to bring back things that I don't believe will have long term success. They want band-aids on these dying industries. I can understand why, but I think it's holding on something that will impede actual progress to those areas in the future.

I see your point. When I said, "leftist values are truly American values and that the fly-over states are behind the times," my context was actually that the left assumes their values are correct and that the values of fly-over country are archaic.

My point was that fly-over states tend to represent the values most Americans hold as opposed to the convoluted moral code to which the leftist elitists hold.
10-12-2017 01:33 PM
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