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RE: Concealed Carry Reciprocity
Reason I may be ok with it is that to challenge it liberals would need to make the same state's rights arguments that have been made in all of the gun rights cases. It would be priceless.
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I have a rather different view. This is Amendment 14 applied to Amendment 2. This is civil rights for gun rights. This is cramming the 2nd amendment down the leftist state's throats whether they like it or not. Looking at you NY, IL, and CA.
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That is a question for the SCOTUS.

Keep in mind if its federal legislation, the next congress and next president may not be so hip to it and the replacement legislation may take back much more than this one gives.

Telling you, we do not want precedent established that the federal government has any say in mandating (or otherwise) concealed carry statutes to states. It opens Pandora's Box. Legislative history and intent would then be used against challenges to some future draconian anti gun measure out of DC.
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(10-12-2017 12:42 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That is a question for the SCOTUS.

Keep in mind if its federal legislation, the next congress and next president may not be so hip to it and the replacement legislation may take back much more than this one gives.

Telling you, we do not want precedent established that the federal government has any say in mandating (or otherwise) concealed carry statutes to states. It opens Pandora's Box. Legislative history and intent would then be used against challenges to some future draconian anti gun measure out of DC.

What planet are you on where you think the 2nd amendment isn't under constant assault by the leftists? Do you think simply not passing a bill will make them stop? I say pass bill after bill after bill. If they're going to undo something, give them a lot to undo. The fundamentals of CCW would require a left dominated SCOTUS to happen because now you'd have to overturn a couple of major SCOTUS decisions.

The leftists are already using the patchwork of reciprocity to arrest and harass law abiding citizens EVERY WEEK:



https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-cong...se-bill/38
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I travel a lot and carry a lot. The patchwork of laws has never worried me once. I easily check the jurisdictions I am heading to or through and 99% of the time, its almost exactly the same as my home state. Just stay away from IL, CA, New Jersey and NY. For lots of other reasons, too.
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(10-12-2017 12:56 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Just stay away from IL, CA, New Jersey and NY. For lots of other reasons, too.

I agree in general, but on the specifics of the 2nd amendment I'm tired of playing defense. I'm ready to go on offense and take this to the leftists on their home turf.
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(10-11-2017 10:51 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 10:48 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 10:47 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I am not a fan of nationwide reciprocity.

Go on. I'm listening.

I prefer for my state to make its own laws and regulations and not be forced by the Federal government to adopt those of another, even when it comes to guns which I support.

Should your drivers license be valid nationwide? Marriage license?


Heck, I'm of the mind that there should be no gun carry license of any type -- constitutional carry. But that's just me.
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(10-12-2017 01:57 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Should your drivers license be valid nationwide? Marriage license?


Heck, I'm of the mind that there should be no gun carry license of any type -- constitutional carry. But that's just me.


You have a social security card, what does it matter? You've already got government ID. And I notice not too many GOP people aside from the libertarians bothered to vote against the Real ID act, which much more tightly integrated state licenses with the feds and imposed federal mandatory guidelines that all states must abide by in issuing licenses. As a resident of SC, they won't let me board a plane in 2019 and beyond without a passport because they refuse to accept my SCDL.

So your argument doesn't hold water with me because, again, your fears are already reality.

But I do agree with you on no license straight up constitutional carry.
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This is an interesting topic. My current state of residence would lose it over this.
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Let it be known, GTS is against states' rights.
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