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RE: No, Ray Hasn't Changed His Stripes
(10-12-2017 02:03 PM)the Dragon Wrote:  Actually, the best thing that ever happened to UAB Football is that the UAB Family stood up and fought for it! THAT is why we are better off now than ever before.

This. This times 100.

The best thing that happened with regard to the shutdown is that it absolutely fired up the UAB fans and students and mobilized people who had been lukewarm about UAB Athletics. It gave us a large stage to air out the sordid history of the UA BoT's repeated and deliberate actions to cripple our programs. Watt's other offenses, like his actions with respect to the Honors Program, also activated UAB supporters from the academic side who were not as concerned about athletics, but about Watts' executive decision making as a whole. It also drew the attention of the Birmingham business community, who thought that having football shut down at the city's economy driving major university would look bush league. They were right, it would. No football team in football crazy Alabama made zero sense to anyone but a few people on the BoT with their own agenda.

Special thanks are due to Justin Craft, Mike Goodrich, and the Gang of Seven, as well as to people like Don Hire, who put their money where it would show that the program had backing, as well as persuading, mobilizing and raising funds from other influential people in the Birmingham area who had no personal ties to UAB but saw the sense in having UAB Athletics as a point of civic pride. Their money and influence and the pressure that the Vocal Few maintained all the way through the shutdown turned the tide.

I would be remiss if I did not mention Bill Clark. He is a fine football coach, but more than that he is a leader and a fine Christian gentleman in all the best meanings of the term. I find it hard to believe that UAB Football would exist, let alone be in the much advanced position that it is in now, without Bill and Jennifer deciding to stay here and help fight for the program.

The BoT and Watts did not mean to spark this uprising against the norm in Alabama, but they certainly did.
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10-12-2017 02:55 PM
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RE: No, Ray Hasn't Changed His Stripes
Lets not forget that Watts also championed the new rule that sports programs at UAB have to operate within a certain amount of allotted money and can not/will not receive one more bit of money from the school. correct me if I'm wrong.
This was meant as a parting shot to football, but this can hurt other sports later if they cant fund their sport.
10-12-2017 07:09 PM
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RE: No, Ray Hasn't Changed His Stripes
(10-12-2017 07:09 PM)rook360 Wrote:  Lets not forget that Watts also championed the new rule that sports programs at UAB have to operate within a certain amount of allotted money and can not/will not receive one more bit of money from the school. correct me if I'm wrong.
This was meant as a parting shot to football, but this can hurt other sports later if they cant fund their sport.

For this reason alone, the BOT chuckles themselves to sleep at night. Because they "know" our funding will dry up.
10-13-2017 12:22 AM
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RE: No, Ray Hasn't Changed His Stripes
(10-12-2017 07:09 PM)rook360 Wrote:  Lets not forget that Watts also championed the new rule that sports programs at UAB have to operate within a certain amount of allotted money and can not/will not receive one more bit of money from the school. correct me if I'm wrong.
This was meant as a parting shot to football, but this can hurt other sports later if they cant fund their sport.

If I remember right, he capped the subsidy at $20 million, but this, as we have learned from guys like Andy Schwarz, is smoke and mirrors. The university charges the Athletic Department full price for its scholarships, even though that amount is WAY more than the actual COST of the athletes as students. It also doesn't account for walk-on athletes who pay full price for school and only attend UAB because of the opportunity to walk-on for their sport. How many band members, cheerleaders, dance team girls, and high school friends of athletes attend because of UAB Athletics? Without football, our enrollment dropped. When we added it back, it boomed. Those enrollment dollars can eat that subsidy fast!

Football makes money, even at UAB. I've laid it out here before and I won't re-hash it now, but it is true. Universities aren't scrambling to start football programs and move to FBS because it is a money-loser. It isn't.
10-13-2017 08:42 AM
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RE: No, Ray Hasn't Changed His Stripes
(10-13-2017 08:42 AM)the Dragon Wrote:  It also doesn't account for walk-on athletes who pay full price for school and only attend UAB because of the opportunity to walk-on for their sport. How many band members, cheerleaders, dance team girls, and high school friends of athletes attend because of UAB Athletics? Without football, our enrollment dropped. When we added it back, it boomed. Those enrollment dollars can eat that subsidy fast!

Wait, are you claiming that the university charges the athletics budget for tuition for students who are paying tuition and also students who are not in athletics at all? The Department of Education would probably be incredibly interested to know that is happening
10-13-2017 08:52 AM
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Punkinhead didn't take any risk bringing UAB football back, so much as he had it shoved down his throat. Jeez, remember the press conference? It looked like a damn hostage situation. Hatton Smith is what kept it from feeling like a funeral.

**** Ray L. Punkinhead Watts, MD. **** him and the old money thugs who hold his leash.
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10-14-2017 08:44 AM
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IF anyone thinks this is over they are sadly mistaken. It is imperative that we keep putting butts in seats. We are also up against the race today and some semi-pro ball to the west. They are monitoring attendance closely. You will see coordinated shots at out attendance again this week and it will grow louder. Going to games and getting more people to come needs to be of high importance to us. Let's keep this think over 23K.
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RE: No, Ray Hasn't Changed His Stripes
(10-11-2017 10:01 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Ray is very happy to let the "Fiscally responsible University President fights out of control football spending" narrative go out there. It's completely nauseating BS, but it looks better than "Lickspittle does Board of Trustee's dirty work".

He didn't take a risk. He was forced to bring it back, and the BoT was forced to shut up and let it happen. We had too much documentation and proof of what was really going on, and Ray had some of our biggest donors backing him into a corner of his office and telling him he'd never see another dime if he didn't change his tune.

It didn't hurt that his beloved "Campaign for UAB", the billion dollar fund raiser, was dead in the water, either.

Ray didn't know what he didn't know, and it bit him on the butt.
True that about his "Campaign" ... Donations for that bad boy was drying up at a record pace. I called in and my deductions for it pulled immediately after what he did, and I let them know it. Restore the teams, and they may get most of these donors back. It was a classic example of hitting them where it hurts the most. Because they hurt us badly with the stunt they pulled.
10-15-2017 07:52 PM
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