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RE: Rebooting the cartel: the P7
Somewhat close in your thinking but it will be Four Conferences and Eight 9 Team Divisions. Look for 9 game conference Schedules to allow crossover and a couple teams getting kicked out of power conference. The only question does ND join a conference or remain indy in this scenario.

What I like to see, not what I will think will happen.

PAC 12 - TX, TT, OU, OSU
Big 10 - Kansas and UCONN
SEC - Kstate and WVU
ACC - If ND joins, Navy as Footbal only if ND demands Navy to join the league as their partner, otherwise TCU . If ND remains indy, TCU and (SMU or Houston) to get into a pair into Texas. Prefer Houston market but SMU better fit.

Winners - UCONN, maybe Navy, Houston or SMU.
Losers - ISU, Baylor, maybe TCU
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RE: Rebooting the cartel: the P7
Calling it a "cartel" is childish, of course, but here's a reboot involving a P7 with geographic 10-team conferences:

Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) = KY+MD+VA+WV+NC4
Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Maryland, NC State, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, West Virginia

Atlantic South Conference (ASC) = FL+GA+SC+ECU
Central Florida, Clemson, East Carolina, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, South Carolina, South Florida

Big 10 Conference = IL+IN+IA+MN+MO+NE+WI
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin

Eastern Athletic Conference (EAC) = CT+MI+NJ+NY+OH+PA
Cincinnati, Connecticut, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple

Pac-10 Conference = AZ+CA+OR+WA
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State

Southeastern Conference (SEC) = AL+AR+LA+MS+TN
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Memphis, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Tulane, Vanderbilt

Southwest Conference (SWC) = CO+KS+OK+TX+UT
Colorado, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Utah

Notable annual interconference matchups
Auburn/Georgia
Kansas/Missouri
Kentucky/Tennessee
Nebraska/Oklahoma
Pittsburgh/West Virginia

The only state I had to break up was NC.
10-12-2017 01:15 PM
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RE: Rebooting the cartel: the P7
Here is the perfect realignment of conferences. You're welcome.

B1G:

East- PSU, Rutgers, Maryland, UConn, Virginia

West- Texas, OU, KU, Nebraska, Iowa

South- Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Notre Dame, Ohio State

North- Minny, Wisc, NW, Michigan, MSU

SEC:

East- UF, FSU, UGA, USC, UNC

West- A&M, TCU, Arkansas, OSU, Mizzou

South- Bama, Auburn, Miss St, Ole Miss, LSU

North- WVU, Tennessee, Vandy, UK, VT

Pac-20:

East- Colorado, KSU, ISU, Utah, BYU

West- Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Hawaii

South- ASU, UA, T Tech, Houston, UNLV

North- Oregon, OSU, Washington, WSU, Boise St.

ACC:

East- NC St, Duke, WF, ECU, Navy

West- Louisville, Cincy, Memphis, Baylor, SMU

South- Miami, GT, Clemson, UCF, USF

North- BC, Pitt, Cuse, Temple, Army

AAC:

East- James Madison, ODU, Richmond, Charolette, App State

West- Tulsa, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Texas State

South- Tulane, USM, UAB, FIU, FAU

North- Marshall, WKU, Middle Tenn, Missouri St, Chattanooga

MWC:

East- Air Force, Wyoming, Utah State, Weber St, Colorado St

West- San Diego St, Fresno, San Jose, Cal Poly, San Diego

South- New Mexico, New Mexico St, UTEP, Northern Arizona, Nevada

North- Idaho, Eastern Washington, Montana, Portland, Montana St

CUSA:

East- Wofford, William & Mary, Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Kentucky

West- Troy, So. Alabama, Jacksonville St, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette

South- Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Citadel, Western Carolina, Charleston Southern

North- Arkansas State, Central Arkansas, La Tech, Sam Houston, Stephen F Austin

MAC:

East- Buffalo, UMass, Delaware, New Hampshire, Maine

West- South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, N. Illinois, Ball State

South- Youngstown, Kent, Miami, Ohio, Akron

North- CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, Bowling Green
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RE: Rebooting the cartel: the P7
Forget about anything other than whether the structure of a conference 1) maximizes the value of the conference's TV deal and 2) whether it results in culturally similar schools grouping together.

Focusing on the first item, based on the clear trend, it appears that the value of television contracts increases based upon the geographic footprint of the conference. Breaking into smaller conferences, therefore, makes no sense.
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(10-11-2017 09:49 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Delete thread/Ban user

It's the hangover of fantasy football. And to the folks throwing rocks here I ask, "How is this any different than the what if this conference had taken so and so in '92 type of threads we've had". All of it can be filed under the "IF Ifs and Buts were Candy and Nuts" category.

But it's harmless entertainment for those who wish to participate so if it's not your cup of tea then take a pass and don't be an ass.
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(10-12-2017 08:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 09:49 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Delete thread/Ban user

It's the hangover of fantasy football. And to the folks throwing rocks here I ask, "How is this any different than the what if this conference had taken so and so in '92 type of threads we've had". All of it can be filed under the "IF Ifs and Buts were Candy and Nuts" category.

But it's harmless entertainment for those who wish to participate so if it's not your cup of tea then take a pass and don't be an ass.

I don't understand why people who don't like realignment frequent the realignment forum and complain about how there's too much realignment talk here.
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RE: Rebooting the cartel: the P7
(10-12-2017 08:42 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 09:49 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Delete thread/Ban user

It's the hangover of fantasy football. And to the folks throwing rocks here I ask, "How is this any different than the what if this conference had taken so and so in '92 type of threads we've had". All of it can be filed under the "IF Ifs and Buts were Candy and Nuts" category.

But it's harmless entertainment for those who wish to participate so if it's not your cup of tea then take a pass and don't be an ass.

I don't understand why people who don't like realignment frequent the realignment forum and complain about how there's too much realignment talk here.

I don't have a problem with the nature of these threads, which include a few of yours. But there is a distinction. The difference is between the nuance of "could happen" and "might have happened." One is based on a future potential, and the other dwells on what we already know didn't happen. While both are speculative one is usually predicated upon the various conference's criteria for membership, available, and not so available wants and wishes and trying to fit them into the whatever the scenario du jour happens to be (16, 18, 20, 24, etc.) and the other is backward looking to what might have been if only.... which has no chance of happening since it didn't happen. The former plays upon hopes and the latter is based usually upon regrets.

I see them both as entertainment, or at worst a diversion from an ever increasingly woeful world. In the end nobody really wants to talk about what truly will likely happen because saying team x and y will leave their old family for a new one for nothing more than mere money is too much of a sober admission to "greed rules" than it is an expression of "hope" or "regret".

So we get Domers who rally around independence even though Notre Dame has been nudged closer toward full membership with each subsequent agreement they have made. We get SEC and B1G uber alles posts. We get a few PAC guys who say they are just fine like they are (probably true and at least not delusional) and then we get the ACC fans who feel like even though they trail the other 4 in most metrics that they are just around the corner from being #1 and that they have never and will never be that horrible "V" word, vulnerable. Their delusion is that they are the favorite child of ESPN and therefore nothing bad will ever happen to them. Well I believe in God, loved what Dad did as Santa Clause, but have lived long enough to know that it rains on the Just and Unjust alike as the good book says. UNC may find out tomorrow just how much bad stuff can happen to delusional people. But then again we live in a delusional world so maybe it won't be that bad.

So enjoy the board and if somebody posts in one of your threads or one like this that somebody should be banned and the topic is not worthy then just PM me. The day we only have threads about the facts and spin ceases to exist, and fanciful thought is no longer, then I might ban somebody for speculating. Until then all posters need to come to the board wearing hip waders and toting a good shovel because 90% of the time it's deep around here.
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(10-12-2017 09:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:42 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 08:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 09:49 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Delete thread/Ban user

It's the hangover of fantasy football. And to the folks throwing rocks here I ask, "How is this any different than the what if this conference had taken so and so in '92 type of threads we've had". All of it can be filed under the "IF Ifs and Buts were Candy and Nuts" category.

But it's harmless entertainment for those who wish to participate so if it's not your cup of tea then take a pass and don't be an ass.

I don't understand why people who don't like realignment frequent the realignment forum and complain about how there's too much realignment talk here.

I don't have a problem with the nature of these threads, which include a few of yours. But there is a distinction. The difference is between the nuance of "could happen" and "might have happened." One is based on a future potential, and the other dwells on what we already know didn't happen. While both are speculative one is usually predicated upon the various conference's criteria for membership, available, and not so available wants and wishes and trying to fit them into the whatever the scenario du jour happens to be (16, 18, 20, 24, etc.) and the other is backward looking to what might have been if only.... which has no chance of happening since it didn't happen. The former plays upon hopes and the latter is based usually upon regrets.

I see them both as entertainment, or at worst a diversion from an ever increasingly woeful world. In the end nobody really wants to talk about what truly will likely happen because saying team x and y will leave their old family for a new one for nothing more than mere money is too much of a sober admission to "greed rules" than it is an expression of "hope" or "regret".

So we get Domers who rally around independence even though Notre Dame has been nudged closer toward full membership with each subsequent agreement they have made. We get SEC and B1G uber alles posts. We get a few PAC guys who say they are just fine like they are (probably true and at least not delusional) and then we get the ACC fans who feel like even though they trail the other 4 in most metrics that they are just around the corner from being #1 and that they have never and will never be that horrible "V" word, vulnerable. Their delusion is that they are the favorite child of ESPN and therefore nothing bad will ever happen to them. Well I believe in God, loved what Dad did as Santa Clause, but have lived long enough to know that it rains on the Just and Unjust alike as the good book says. UNC may find out tomorrow just how much bad stuff can happen to delusional people. But then again we live in a delusional world so maybe it won't be that bad.

So enjoy the board and if somebody posts in one of your threads or one like this that somebody should be banned and the topic is not worthy then just PM me. The day we only have threads about the facts and spin ceases to exist, and fanciful thought is no longer, then I might ban somebody for speculating. Until then all posters need to come to the board wearing hip waders and toting a good shovel because 90% of the time it's deep around here.

That's a good assessment of things. :)
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just no
10-13-2017 09:03 AM
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(10-12-2017 10:03 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 08:25 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Pac 10 - current PAC 12 less Colorado and Utah
SEC (10) - current lineup less Missouri, Texas A&M, Arkansas, South Carolina
Big 10 - current lineup less Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State
ACC (9) - Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake, Maryland, Virginia, Clemson, Georgia Tech , Florida State
SWC (8) - Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Penn State, South Carolina, Arkansas, Texas A&M
Metro (8) - West Virginia, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Miami, Virginia Tech, Boston College, Rutgers
Big 8 (9) - Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nebraska, Colorado, Utah, Missouri

Notre Dame would probably join the Metro as a partial member in this scenario.

If you wanted everyone to be at least none members, the SWC could add Cincinnati, and the Metro could add Temple, USF, or UCF.

Interesting. I'd make the following adjustments:

ACC (10) - Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, NC State, Penn State, UNC, Virginia, Wake Forest.
Big 10 (10) - Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue, Ohio State, Wisconsin.
Pac 10 (10) - Arizona, Arizona State, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State.
SEC (10) - Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt.
SWC (10) - Arkansas, Baylor, Houston, Memphis, SMU, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Tulane
Metro (10) - Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Miami, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, South Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Big 8 (10) - Colorado, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Utah

Independents: Army, Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, UConn, ECU, Navy, Notre Dame, San Diego State, Temple, UCF, USF.

I actually like quite a bit of this--swap South Carolina to the ACC (homecoming) and put Penn St with their traditional rivals in the Metro/Big East FB. I'd also toss original Big East FB member Temple to the mix.

Louisville slides into the SWC, at the expense of either Tulane or SMU.

I'd also do BYU over Colorado St in the Big 8.
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