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RE: Houston could be next NHL expansion city
(10-21-2017 01:04 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Imo they should've moved the Coyotes to Vegas, moved the Panthers to Quebec, and expanded to Seattle and Kansas City. No realignment necessary.

Speaking of the Panthers and Coyotes.... the Coyotes are still owned by the NHL right? Have they had any bidders? Seems like the franchise and the market are ok but the ownership group is on shaky ground. Wasn't there an issue with a rink deal? I can't remember what I had heard about the Panthers but weren't they in a ownership situation too?

I mean, yeah, the Quebec Nordiques 2.0 would be cool but are the economics in that province/city back to where a pro sports team can return?

I would think western cities like Seattle, Portland, or Kansas City would make more sense but then again, at least with Seattle and Portland.... how does the NBA factor in? Seattle still hasn't gotten a team in to replace the Sonics so.... Can Portland support two pro teams?

KC would be interesting.... have they ever had a NBA team? Would the Chiefs take up too much of the fan base? The Royals wouldn't really overlap for games and fans.
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Kansas City shared the Kings with Omaha for a few years before the Kings moved to Sacramento.
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RE: Houston could be next NHL expansion city
(10-23-2017 06:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Kansas City shared the Kings with Omaha for a few years before the Kings moved to Sacramento.

Wasn't that franchise formerly the Rochester (?) Royals or something along those lines before they moved west?
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RE: Houston could be next NHL expansion city
(10-23-2017 06:54 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 06:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Kansas City shared the Kings with Omaha for a few years before the Kings moved to Sacramento.

Wasn't that franchise formerly the Rochester (?) Royals or something along those lines before they moved west?
Yes. The Rochester Royals first moved to Cincinnati, then to Kansas City (and of course they changed their name to the Kings), briefly split time with Omaha, then moved to Sacramento.

Western New York's other NBA franchise, the Buffalo Braves, became the San Diego and eventually Los Angeles Clippers.
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RE: Houston could be next NHL expansion city
(10-21-2017 01:11 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(10-21-2017 01:04 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Imo they should've moved the Coyotes to Vegas, moved the Panthers to Quebec, and expanded to Seattle and Kansas City. No realignment necessary.

Speaking of the Panthers and Coyotes.... the Coyotes are still owned by the NHL right? Have they had any bidders? Seems like the franchise and the market are ok but the ownership group is on shaky ground. Wasn't there an issue with a rink deal? I can't remember what I had heard about the Panthers but weren't they in a ownership situation too?

I mean, yeah, the Quebec Nordiques 2.0 would be cool but are the economics in that province/city back to where a pro sports team can return?

I would think western cities like Seattle, Portland, or Kansas City would make more sense but then again, at least with Seattle and Portland.... how does the NBA factor in? Seattle still hasn't gotten a team in to replace the Sonics so.... Can Portland support two pro teams?

KC would be interesting.... have they ever had a NBA team? Would the Chiefs take up too much of the fan base? The Royals wouldn't really overlap for games and fans.

IIRC the Coyotes majority shares were recently bought by the guy who purchased them while they were in bankruptcy while the Panthers are owned by some South Florida conglomerate. Neither are on stable ground.

I think Quebec would work out, they have the brand new arena there and it's a bigger metro area than Winnipeg. I don't think Bettman likes the idea of retreating from southern markets however, you get a reliable fan base but a low ceiling while giving up potential but a high risk for failure.

I don't think Portland could support a team with them having the NBA, as mentioned earlier the non-traditional markets have done best in the absence of pro basketball. My aunt lives in Seattle and says that people there would much rather get a new Sonics team than the NHL, but would support hockey pretty well - the problem is that in light of that, building a new arena is tough.

Kansas City would be fine for a team because it's a market made up of a lot of born 'n bred locals. Much of the south and west has so many hockey transplants already committed to their northern team (Exhibit A, me in Tampa), but KC has a lot of local pride. While the Blues are their favorite hockey club now, we aren't very big there.
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Kansas City had an NHL team once. The Scouts played in the Kemper Arena from 1974 to 1976. The Kemper Arena was built for the Scouts. The team was owned by an undercapitalized group or 37 individuals. The Scouts suffered from being underfunded, competition from the WHL, poor performance on the ice and bad attendance. They were averaging 8200 fans in the 17,000 seat Kemper when the league average was over 13,000. The ownership group sold to Denver oilman, Jack Vickers.

The club played in Denver as the Colorado Rockies form 1976 to 1982. In 1975, Denver and Seattle were awarded conditional expansion teams. Shortly thereafter, it was decided to move the failing California Golden Seals to Denver and the struggling Pittsburg Penguins to Seattle. That deal fell through and the Scouts were moved to Denver. Although attendance was fairly good, the team continued to struggle financially and changed hands two more times.

In 1978, Anthony Imperatore, SR. bought the Rockies with the intention of moving them to northern New Jersey. The move was denied because there was not an adequate arena in northern NJ at the time. After attempting to sell to an Ottawa group, Imperatore sold the team in 1983 to another north NJ businessman, John McMullen, who also owned the Houston Astros at the time. McMullen moved the Rockies to NJ and they are now the Devils.
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RE: Houston could be next NHL expansion city
(10-21-2017 01:11 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(10-21-2017 01:04 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Imo they should've moved the Coyotes to Vegas, moved the Panthers to Quebec, and expanded to Seattle and Kansas City. No realignment necessary.

Speaking of the Panthers and Coyotes.... the Coyotes are still owned by the NHL right? Have they had any bidders? Seems like the franchise and the market are ok but the ownership group is on shaky ground. Wasn't there an issue with a rink deal? I can't remember what I had heard about the Panthers but weren't they in a ownership situation too?

I mean, yeah, the Quebec Nordiques 2.0 would be cool but are the economics in that province/city back to where a pro sports team can return?

I would think western cities like Seattle, Portland, or Kansas City would make more sense but then again, at least with Seattle and Portland.... how does the NBA factor in? Seattle still hasn't gotten a team in to replace the Sonics so.... Can Portland support two pro teams?

KC would be interesting.... have they ever had a NBA team? Would the Chiefs take up too much of the fan base? The Royals wouldn't really overlap for games and fans.

Portland actually does support two pro teams: the TrailBlazers & the Timbers. Paul Allen (who owns the TrailBlazers)isn't too big on the NHL, especially in Portland, and he's more of a Seattle guy too.
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RE: Houston could be next NHL expansion city
(10-23-2017 10:23 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(10-21-2017 01:11 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(10-21-2017 01:04 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Imo they should've moved the Coyotes to Vegas, moved the Panthers to Quebec, and expanded to Seattle and Kansas City. No realignment necessary.

Speaking of the Panthers and Coyotes.... the Coyotes are still owned by the NHL right? Have they had any bidders? Seems like the franchise and the market are ok but the ownership group is on shaky ground. Wasn't there an issue with a rink deal? I can't remember what I had heard about the Panthers but weren't they in a ownership situation too?

I mean, yeah, the Quebec Nordiques 2.0 would be cool but are the economics in that province/city back to where a pro sports team can return?

I would think western cities like Seattle, Portland, or Kansas City would make more sense but then again, at least with Seattle and Portland.... how does the NBA factor in? Seattle still hasn't gotten a team in to replace the Sonics so.... Can Portland support two pro teams?

KC would be interesting.... have they ever had a NBA team? Would the Chiefs take up too much of the fan base? The Royals wouldn't really overlap for games and fans.

IIRC the Coyotes majority shares were recently bought by the guy who purchased them while they were in bankruptcy while the Panthers are owned by some South Florida conglomerate. Neither are on stable ground.

I think Quebec would work out, they have the brand new arena there and it's a bigger metro area than Winnipeg. I don't think Bettman likes the idea of retreating from southern markets however, you get a reliable fan base but a low ceiling while giving up potential but a high risk for failure.

I don't think Portland could support a team with them having the NBA, as mentioned earlier the non-traditional markets have done best in the absence of pro basketball. My aunt lives in Seattle and says that people there would much rather get a new Sonics team than the NHL, but would support hockey pretty well - the problem is that in light of that, building a new arena is tough.

Kansas City would be fine for a team because it's a market made up of a lot of born 'n bred locals. Much of the south and west has so many hockey transplants already committed to their northern team (Exhibit A, me in Tampa), but KC has a lot of local pride. While the Blues are their favorite hockey club now, we aren't very big there.

Quebec has a much higher ceiling than Raleigh. It's not even close. A Southern/Sun Belt team would have to be in the Stanley Cup Finals every year to garner the attention an average Canadian/Frost Belt one would get except LA because it's so big.
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Not bad attendance considering Houston is not a hockey city and for minor league hockey


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