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(10-16-2017 06:58 PM)Lush Wrote:  move st louis to slc

Yeah, right. Attendance last year was 105% of capacity and the ownership is local.
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they'd have the blues and the jazz
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Might as well start a football team called the Hip Hop, then there'd be three teams with a misfit musical name.
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(10-17-2017 08:58 AM)Lush Wrote:  they'd have the blues and the jazz

Rimshot

Ok, I'll admit you got me on that one. Would be ironic too, I think music is outlawed in Utah anyways.
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Being from Houston, I'd love to see an NHL there. I went to tons of Aeros games in the 90s/00s. I was at every cup championship and I think it would draw well. Obviously, not Northern or Canadian city well but still good. I wouldn't be surprised of Arizona or Florida lost their franchises. The Coyotes and Panthers have had their names on the chopping block for a little while. The Carolina Hurricanes have too but I like them so I refuse to include them.

What about something like this? Expansion to Houston as #32. Arizona Coyotes move to Seattle. Florida Panthers move to Quebec. Houston would use the Aeros name. Seattle would have a choice as I've heard Metropolitans (previous NHL name), Seattle Pilots (previous MLB name), and the Seattle Kraken (fan name which I think is pretty cool) among others. Quebec would re-up the Nordiques.

Here's how I would do the conferences and divisions: 4 conferences of 8, with 2 divisions per conference. The playoffs stay at 16 with each of the 8 division champions plus the next best 8. #1 vs #16, #2 vs. #15, etc. The best division champ in each conference gets either a #1 or #2 seed. The other division champ gets either a #3 or #4 seed.

I used great hockey player names (not necessarily in the region of the league they played; more for memorialization)

Gretzky Conference
West: Vancouver Canucks, Edmonton Oilers, Calgary Flames, Winnipeg Jets
East: Toronto Maple Leafs, Ottawa Senators, Montreal Canadiens, Quebec Nordiques

Howe Conference
Pacific: Seattle Kraken, San Jose Sharks, Los Angeles Kings, Anaheim Ducks
Southwest: Vegas Golden Knights, Colorado Avalanche, Dallas Stars, Houston Aeros

Orr Conference
Midwest: Minnesota Wild, Chicago Blackhawks, Detroit Red Wings, St. Louis Blues
Southeast: Columbus Blue Jackets, Nashville Predators, Carolina Hurricanes, Tampa Bay Lightning

Lemieux Conference
Mideast: Buffalo Sabres, Pittsburgh Penguins, Philadelphia Flyers, Washington Capitals
Northeast: New Jersey Devils, New York Rangers, New York Islanders, Boston Bruins
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(10-16-2017 12:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 12:36 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 12:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Atlanta didn't work because there wasn't deep commitment from the Thrasher owners.

Sense there would be fromantic the new Rockets owner. Houston has immense corporate resources that would enable near sell outs and suite rental. It would work if given enough backing.

Agreed on Atlanta, and that's why I want it to get another shot at the NHL. The owners of Hawks & Thrashers (Atlanta Spirit) did not like the NHL at all, and did everything they could to get rid of the Thrashers. Kind of like Jeffery Loria with the Expos or Alex Spanos and the Chargers only imagine LA actually wanting the team.

Atlanta is a twice failed NHL market in a non-traditional area. I don't care what excuses you make, if hockey meant anything around there, it would have survived. Save hockey for major markets, the Frost Belt and Canada.

Nor do I care about anything you say either. 03-puke 04-chairshot Houston isn't any more major than Atlanta is. Why does LA need hockey??? Sheesh. It would make more sense to give the city a third NBA franchise, and move the Kings to Quebec. Might as well move Anaheim also to Hartford to replace the Whalers. Then I guess move the Coyotes to Toronto, giving that city a second NHL franchise.
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LA is a mega market.

Like I said, Atlanta failed twice. Give someone else a shot before going back there.
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(10-21-2017 04:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  LA is a mega market.

Like I said, Atlanta failed twice. Give someone else a shot before going back there.

I don't see the need the defend hockey in Atlanta. The facts speak for themselves. That said, the NHL inability to resolve the situation in PHX, allowing a team in Vegas before getting one in Seattle just proves IMO that Bettman hasn't learned anything from the SE expansion.
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(10-21-2017 10:56 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(10-21-2017 04:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  LA is a mega market.

Like I said, Atlanta failed twice. Give someone else a shot before going back there.

I don't see the need the defend hockey in Atlanta. The facts speak for themselves. That said, the NHL inability to resolve the situation in PHX, allowing a team in Vegas before getting one in Seattle just proves IMO that Bettman hasn't learned anything from the SE expansion.

Sharks, Ducks, and Kings in the area... why add another Cali team?

I could somewhat buy that Texas could use more than the Stars but how popular is the NHL down there for Texas to get another team.
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Imo they should've moved the Coyotes to Vegas, moved the Panthers to Quebec, and expanded to Seattle and Kansas City. No realignment necessary.
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(10-21-2017 01:04 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Imo they should've moved the Coyotes to Vegas, moved the Panthers to Quebec, and expanded to Seattle and Kansas City. No realignment necessary.

Speaking of the Panthers and Coyotes.... the Coyotes are still owned by the NHL right? Have they had any bidders? Seems like the franchise and the market are ok but the ownership group is on shaky ground. Wasn't there an issue with a rink deal? I can't remember what I had heard about the Panthers but weren't they in a ownership situation too?

I mean, yeah, the Quebec Nordiques 2.0 would be cool but are the economics in that province/city back to where a pro sports team can return?

I would think western cities like Seattle, Portland, or Kansas City would make more sense but then again, at least with Seattle and Portland.... how does the NBA factor in? Seattle still hasn't gotten a team in to replace the Sonics so.... Can Portland support two pro teams?

KC would be interesting.... have they ever had a NBA team? Would the Chiefs take up too much of the fan base? The Royals wouldn't really overlap for games and fans.
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Kansas City shared the Kings with Omaha for a few years before the Kings moved to Sacramento.
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(10-23-2017 06:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Kansas City shared the Kings with Omaha for a few years before the Kings moved to Sacramento.

Wasn't that franchise formerly the Rochester (?) Royals or something along those lines before they moved west?
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(10-23-2017 06:54 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(10-23-2017 06:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Kansas City shared the Kings with Omaha for a few years before the Kings moved to Sacramento.

Wasn't that franchise formerly the Rochester (?) Royals or something along those lines before they moved west?
Yes. The Rochester Royals first moved to Cincinnati, then to Kansas City (and of course they changed their name to the Kings), briefly split time with Omaha, then moved to Sacramento.

Western New York's other NBA franchise, the Buffalo Braves, became the San Diego and eventually Los Angeles Clippers.
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(10-21-2017 01:11 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(10-21-2017 01:04 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Imo they should've moved the Coyotes to Vegas, moved the Panthers to Quebec, and expanded to Seattle and Kansas City. No realignment necessary.

Speaking of the Panthers and Coyotes.... the Coyotes are still owned by the NHL right? Have they had any bidders? Seems like the franchise and the market are ok but the ownership group is on shaky ground. Wasn't there an issue with a rink deal? I can't remember what I had heard about the Panthers but weren't they in a ownership situation too?

I mean, yeah, the Quebec Nordiques 2.0 would be cool but are the economics in that province/city back to where a pro sports team can return?

I would think western cities like Seattle, Portland, or Kansas City would make more sense but then again, at least with Seattle and Portland.... how does the NBA factor in? Seattle still hasn't gotten a team in to replace the Sonics so.... Can Portland support two pro teams?

KC would be interesting.... have they ever had a NBA team? Would the Chiefs take up too much of the fan base? The Royals wouldn't really overlap for games and fans.

IIRC the Coyotes majority shares were recently bought by the guy who purchased them while they were in bankruptcy while the Panthers are owned by some South Florida conglomerate. Neither are on stable ground.

I think Quebec would work out, they have the brand new arena there and it's a bigger metro area than Winnipeg. I don't think Bettman likes the idea of retreating from southern markets however, you get a reliable fan base but a low ceiling while giving up potential but a high risk for failure.

I don't think Portland could support a team with them having the NBA, as mentioned earlier the non-traditional markets have done best in the absence of pro basketball. My aunt lives in Seattle and says that people there would much rather get a new Sonics team than the NHL, but would support hockey pretty well - the problem is that in light of that, building a new arena is tough.

Kansas City would be fine for a team because it's a market made up of a lot of born 'n bred locals. Much of the south and west has so many hockey transplants already committed to their northern team (Exhibit A, me in Tampa), but KC has a lot of local pride. While the Blues are their favorite hockey club now, we aren't very big there.
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Kansas City had an NHL team once. The Scouts played in the Kemper Arena from 1974 to 1976. The Kemper Arena was built for the Scouts. The team was owned by an undercapitalized group or 37 individuals. The Scouts suffered from being underfunded, competition from the WHL, poor performance on the ice and bad attendance. They were averaging 8200 fans in the 17,000 seat Kemper when the league average was over 13,000. The ownership group sold to Denver oilman, Jack Vickers.

The club played in Denver as the Colorado Rockies form 1976 to 1982. In 1975, Denver and Seattle were awarded conditional expansion teams. Shortly thereafter, it was decided to move the failing California Golden Seals to Denver and the struggling Pittsburg Penguins to Seattle. That deal fell through and the Scouts were moved to Denver. Although attendance was fairly good, the team continued to struggle financially and changed hands two more times.

In 1978, Anthony Imperatore, SR. bought the Rockies with the intention of moving them to northern New Jersey. The move was denied because there was not an adequate arena in northern NJ at the time. After attempting to sell to an Ottawa group, Imperatore sold the team in 1983 to another north NJ businessman, John McMullen, who also owned the Houston Astros at the time. McMullen moved the Rockies to NJ and they are now the Devils.
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(10-21-2017 01:11 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(10-21-2017 01:04 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Imo they should've moved the Coyotes to Vegas, moved the Panthers to Quebec, and expanded to Seattle and Kansas City. No realignment necessary.

Speaking of the Panthers and Coyotes.... the Coyotes are still owned by the NHL right? Have they had any bidders? Seems like the franchise and the market are ok but the ownership group is on shaky ground. Wasn't there an issue with a rink deal? I can't remember what I had heard about the Panthers but weren't they in a ownership situation too?

I mean, yeah, the Quebec Nordiques 2.0 would be cool but are the economics in that province/city back to where a pro sports team can return?

I would think western cities like Seattle, Portland, or Kansas City would make more sense but then again, at least with Seattle and Portland.... how does the NBA factor in? Seattle still hasn't gotten a team in to replace the Sonics so.... Can Portland support two pro teams?

KC would be interesting.... have they ever had a NBA team? Would the Chiefs take up too much of the fan base? The Royals wouldn't really overlap for games and fans.

Portland actually does support two pro teams: the TrailBlazers & the Timbers. Paul Allen (who owns the TrailBlazers)isn't too big on the NHL, especially in Portland, and he's more of a Seattle guy too.
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(10-23-2017 10:23 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(10-21-2017 01:11 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(10-21-2017 01:04 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Imo they should've moved the Coyotes to Vegas, moved the Panthers to Quebec, and expanded to Seattle and Kansas City. No realignment necessary.

Speaking of the Panthers and Coyotes.... the Coyotes are still owned by the NHL right? Have they had any bidders? Seems like the franchise and the market are ok but the ownership group is on shaky ground. Wasn't there an issue with a rink deal? I can't remember what I had heard about the Panthers but weren't they in a ownership situation too?

I mean, yeah, the Quebec Nordiques 2.0 would be cool but are the economics in that province/city back to where a pro sports team can return?

I would think western cities like Seattle, Portland, or Kansas City would make more sense but then again, at least with Seattle and Portland.... how does the NBA factor in? Seattle still hasn't gotten a team in to replace the Sonics so.... Can Portland support two pro teams?

KC would be interesting.... have they ever had a NBA team? Would the Chiefs take up too much of the fan base? The Royals wouldn't really overlap for games and fans.

IIRC the Coyotes majority shares were recently bought by the guy who purchased them while they were in bankruptcy while the Panthers are owned by some South Florida conglomerate. Neither are on stable ground.

I think Quebec would work out, they have the brand new arena there and it's a bigger metro area than Winnipeg. I don't think Bettman likes the idea of retreating from southern markets however, you get a reliable fan base but a low ceiling while giving up potential but a high risk for failure.

I don't think Portland could support a team with them having the NBA, as mentioned earlier the non-traditional markets have done best in the absence of pro basketball. My aunt lives in Seattle and says that people there would much rather get a new Sonics team than the NHL, but would support hockey pretty well - the problem is that in light of that, building a new arena is tough.

Kansas City would be fine for a team because it's a market made up of a lot of born 'n bred locals. Much of the south and west has so many hockey transplants already committed to their northern team (Exhibit A, me in Tampa), but KC has a lot of local pride. While the Blues are their favorite hockey club now, we aren't very big there.

Quebec has a much higher ceiling than Raleigh. It's not even close. A Southern/Sun Belt team would have to be in the Stanley Cup Finals every year to garner the attention an average Canadian/Frost Belt one would get except LA because it's so big.
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Not bad attendance considering Houston is not a hockey city and for minor league hockey


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