(10-11-2017 06:22 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 06:21 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Why not just merge with the Girl Scouts?

they're trying.....hell, I could've doink'd my soph eng teacher.....instead I doink'd her daughter.....

Reminds me of that Parks and Rec episode where the kids in their Boy Scouts troop get bored with camping so they join Leslie's Girl Scouts since they have puppies and candy...this will probably end the same way that episode did, with another organization popping up to serve the original's purpose.

(10-11-2017 06:14 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  So now, instead of the Boy Scouts, we'll just call it the "Scouts." Really, what's the big effing deal. Ya'll don't like girls? Well guess what, they're here to stay, and no longer just in the kitchen. You're gonna have to learn to deal with it.

I enjoyed my time with the Boy Scouts, but it will no longer be that thing. It will be something else.

Girls who want to join the Boy Scouts won't be joining the Boy Scouts.

The only thing this will do is take away the Boy Scout experience of today from boys. And honestly, that is probably the intent.

Knock yourselves out.

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(10-11-2017 06:14 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  So now, instead of the Boy Scouts, we'll just call it the "Scouts." Really, what's the big effing deal. Ya'll don't like girls? Well guess what, they're here to stay, and no longer just in the kitchen. You're gonna have to learn to deal with it.

Ain't got to deal with it at all. Lol. Boy Scouts where I grew up were a bunch of sissies anyway. I had my own shotgun at 12. Still have the boy scout field book on my shelf, past that. Wgaf.

Now, go make me a sammich. Lol

(10-11-2017 02:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 02:06 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Trail Life is the new boy scouts. Democrats destroyed boy scouts years ago.

The "Culture War" has been going on for nearly 40 years. I fought for what I thought were American values and what was morally right for much of my working life. What I found to be the main problem was that most Americans were so convinced of the correctness of their position that they did nothing to stop the fringe groups when they first started pushing agendas.

Now when headline after headline defies all reason and logic people are wringing their hands. All I want to know is where the hell were you 40 years ago? Apathy lost this fight and it was assisted by those too busy to take the time to stand up and be counted.

The "Culture War" wasn't won by the plaintiffs. It was forfeited by those who claim most to be moral. And they were helped in large part by churches that wanted no part of getting embroiled in controversial issues which might cost them a buck.

Shame on us! Shame on all of us!

Amen to this.

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(10-11-2017 04:17 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Why would you want to expose your little girl to men like this. The world is too crazy to think that is a good idea. Trust no one.

First thing you've said that made sense in a long time. Gay leaders after the boys and general perverts after the girls. I dont trust any of these groups at this point. Sad to say.

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(10-11-2017 06:14 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  So now, instead of the Boy Scouts, we'll just call it the "Scouts." Really, what's the big effing deal. Ya'll don't like girls? Well guess what, they're here to stay, and no longer just in the kitchen. You're gonna have to learn to deal with it.

FFS, the true simpleton's view of this...

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As a Eagle Scout and an adult volunteer inside the Boy Scouts of America this decision does not surprise me. I have read the above comments and just have to laugh at how uninformed the posters are about the scouting program. I left the Boy Scouts in the mid 80' and got back involved right at 15 years ago with the program as a volunteer when my son joined the Cub Scout Program. Some of the changes that took place during the 20 years that I was out of the program.
1. Females could now be Scoutmasters of Scout Troops.
2, Two deep leadership. Had to have 2 adults at all times with the youth of the unit. No one adult is to be any youth by themselves other than there own child.
3. Only the youth of an adult could sleep in the same tent as that adult.
4. Adults and youth do not use the same bathroom facilities at the same time.

Now the following changes have taken place since got back into the program as a volunteer.

1. Gay youth are now allowed inside the program. Before this change no openly gay youth was allowed to join the program and if a youth that was a member of the program came out of the closet they were removed from the scouting program. Before this change I do not know of any youth being asked if they were gay before they join the unit or anytime after they became a member of a unit.
2. Allow Gay Leaders inside the program. This as National Boy Scouts of America change in policy. No change was made on the local unit level. A local scout unit can make the decision to not allow a Gay person to register as a adult leader with the local unit.

What is know at this point from this new change in policy by the Boy Scouts.

Girls can join cub scout packs from the next program year. The Cub Scout program year starts in the fall of each year. Local packs are divided up into dens by the age of the youth. 1st graders (Tigers), 2nd graders (Wolfs), 3rd graders(Bears), and 4th & 5th graders (Webelos).
Local Packs will now have to make the decision of do they want to start new Dens at each grade level for girls. Boys and Girl will not be members of the same Den. For a Pack to recharter each year with the Boy Scouts they have to have at least one adult registered for each Den that they have youth registered with the unit in. Also have to have two adults at each Den meeting with one of them being a registered Adult Leader.

As to camping, per the Boy Scout rules, a Cub Scout can only camp at a family campout. Parent or other adult family member has to campout with them. The only exception to this rule is that a Webelos Den can campout as a Den with 2 deep leadership.

With the announcement it was stated that a Girl would be able to earn the rank of Eagle Scout. No details were given on this subject.

(10-13-2017 02:46 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  As a Eagle Scout and an adult volunteer inside the Boy Scouts of America this decision does not surprise me. I have read the above comments and just have to laugh at how uninformed the posters are about the scouting program. I left the Boy Scouts in the mid 80' and got back involved right at 15 years ago with the program as a volunteer when my son joined the Cub Scout Program. Some of the changes that took place during the 20 years that I was out of the program.
1. Females could now be Scoutmasters of Scout Troops.
2, Two deep leadership. Had to have 2 adults at all times with the youth of the unit. No one adult is to be any youth by themselves other than there own child.
3. Only the youth of an adult could sleep in the same tent as that adult.
4. Adults and youth do not use the same bathroom facilities at the same time.

Now the following changes have taken place since got back into the program as a volunteer.

1. Gay youth are now allowed inside the program. Before this change no openly gay youth was allowed to join the program and if a youth that was a member of the program came out of the closet they were removed from the scouting program. Before this change I do not know of any youth being asked if they were gay before they join the unit or anytime after they became a member of a unit.
2. Allow Gay Leaders inside the program. This as National Boy Scouts of America change in policy. No change was made on the local unit level. A local scout unit can make the decision to not allow a Gay person to register as a adult leader with the local unit.

What is know at this point from this new change in policy by the Boy Scouts.

Girls can join cub scout packs from the next program year. The Cub Scout program year starts in the fall of each year. Local packs are divided up into dens by the age of the youth. 1st graders (Tigers), 2nd graders (Wolfs), 3rd graders(Bears), and 4th & 5th graders (Webelos).
Local Packs will now have to make the decision of do they want to start new Dens at each grade level for girls. Boys and Girl will not be members of the same Den. For a Pack to recharter each year with the Boy Scouts they have to have at least one adult registered for each Den that they have youth registered with the unit in. Also have to have two adults at each Den meeting with one of them being a registered Adult Leader.

As to camping, per the Boy Scout rules, a Cub Scout can only camp at a family campout. Parent or other adult family member has to campout with them. The only exception to this rule is that a Webelos Den can campout as a Den with 2 deep leadership.

With the announcement it was stated that a Girl would be able to earn the rank of Eagle Scout. No details were given on this subject.

Sounds like LGBT terminology to me.

(10-13-2017 02:57 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:46 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  As a Eagle Scout and an adult volunteer inside the Boy Scouts of America this decision does not surprise me. I have read the above comments and just have to laugh at how uninformed the posters are about the scouting program. I left the Boy Scouts in the mid 80' and got back involved right at 15 years ago with the program as a volunteer when my son joined the Cub Scout Program. Some of the changes that took place during the 20 years that I was out of the program.
1. Females could now be Scoutmasters of Scout Troops.
2, Two deep leadership. Had to have 2 adults at all times with the youth of the unit. No one adult is to be any youth by themselves other than there own child.
3. Only the youth of an adult could sleep in the same tent as that adult.
4. Adults and youth do not use the same bathroom facilities at the same time.

Now the following changes have taken place since got back into the program as a volunteer.

1. Gay youth are now allowed inside the program. Before this change no openly gay youth was allowed to join the program and if a youth that was a member of the program came out of the closet they were removed from the scouting program. Before this change I do not know of any youth being asked if they were gay before they join the unit or anytime after they became a member of a unit.
2. Allow Gay Leaders inside the program. This as National Boy Scouts of America change in policy. No change was made on the local unit level. A local scout unit can make the decision to not allow a Gay person to register as a adult leader with the local unit.

What is know at this point from this new change in policy by the Boy Scouts.

Girls can join cub scout packs from the next program year. The Cub Scout program year starts in the fall of each year. Local packs are divided up into dens by the age of the youth. 1st graders (Tigers), 2nd graders (Wolfs), 3rd graders(Bears), and 4th & 5th graders (Webelos).
Local Packs will now have to make the decision of do they want to start new Dens at each grade level for girls. Boys and Girl will not be members of the same Den. For a Pack to recharter each year with the Boy Scouts they have to have at least one adult registered for each Den that they have youth registered with the unit in. Also have to have two adults at each Den meeting with one of them being a registered Adult Leader.

As to camping, per the Boy Scout rules, a Cub Scout can only camp at a family campout. Parent or other adult family member has to campout with them. The only exception to this rule is that a Webelos Den can campout as a Den with 2 deep leadership.

With the announcement it was stated that a Girl would be able to earn the rank of Eagle Scout. No details were given on this subject.

Sounds like LGBT terminology to me.

Been used by the Cub Scouts since before anyone ever used the term LGBT.

As a father of three boys who have been involved in the Scout (2 still in the program), this decision bothers me.

The Scouts is a place where a boy can learn a lot about citizenship, responsibility, good manners, environmentalism (not the hippy progressive version) and other skills. Putting girls in this world will only lead to distraction. Yes, there are already women who are Den Leaders, but Den Leaders vs. peers your own age is something completely different.

If a girl wants to learn to do all these things she should just join the Girl Scouts or some similar type of group.

(10-13-2017 03:06 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:57 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 02:46 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  As a Eagle Scout and an adult volunteer inside the Boy Scouts of America this decision does not surprise me. I have read the above comments and just have to laugh at how uninformed the posters are about the scouting program. I left the Boy Scouts in the mid 80' and got back involved right at 15 years ago with the program as a volunteer when my son joined the Cub Scout Program. Some of the changes that took place during the 20 years that I was out of the program.
1. Females could now be Scoutmasters of Scout Troops.
2, Two deep leadership. Had to have 2 adults at all times with the youth of the unit. No one adult is to be any youth by themselves other than there own child.
3. Only the youth of an adult could sleep in the same tent as that adult.
4. Adults and youth do not use the same bathroom facilities at the same time.

Now the following changes have taken place since got back into the program as a volunteer.

1. Gay youth are now allowed inside the program. Before this change no openly gay youth was allowed to join the program and if a youth that was a member of the program came out of the closet they were removed from the scouting program. Before this change I do not know of any youth being asked if they were gay before they join the unit or anytime after they became a member of a unit.
2. Allow Gay Leaders inside the program. This as National Boy Scouts of America change in policy. No change was made on the local unit level. A local scout unit can make the decision to not allow a Gay person to register as a adult leader with the local unit.

What is know at this point from this new change in policy by the Boy Scouts.

Girls can join cub scout packs from the next program year. The Cub Scout program year starts in the fall of each year. Local packs are divided up into dens by the age of the youth. 1st graders (Tigers), 2nd graders (Wolfs), 3rd graders(Bears), and 4th & 5th graders (Webelos).
Local Packs will now have to make the decision of do they want to start new Dens at each grade level for girls. Boys and Girl will not be members of the same Den. For a Pack to recharter each year with the Boy Scouts they have to have at least one adult registered for each Den that they have youth registered with the unit in. Also have to have two adults at each Den meeting with one of them being a registered Adult Leader.

As to camping, per the Boy Scout rules, a Cub Scout can only camp at a family campout. Parent or other adult family member has to campout with them. The only exception to this rule is that a Webelos Den can campout as a Den with 2 deep leadership.

With the announcement it was stated that a Girl would be able to earn the rank of Eagle Scout. No details were given on this subject.

Sounds like LGBT terminology to me.

Been used by the Cub Scouts since before anyone ever used the term LGBT.

I kid the LGBT's...most of their terminology is rehashed from other meanings.

It is just another feminist assault on men. It is disgusting and deplorable that this organization has not put up even the slightest fight. So much for molding boys into men.

(10-11-2017 06:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 06:14 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  So now, instead of the Boy Scouts, we'll just call it the "Scouts." Really, what's the big effing deal. Ya'll don't like girls? Well guess what, they're here to stay, and no longer just in the kitchen. You're gonna have to learn to deal with it.

I enjoyed my time with the Boy Scouts, but it will no longer be that thing. It will be something else.

Girls who want to join the Boy Scouts won't be joining the Boy Scouts.

The only thing this will do is take away the Boy Scout experience of today from boys. And honestly, that is probably the intent.

Knock yourselves out.

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I'm pretty sure that is the intent. To neuter the boys.

(10-13-2017 03:13 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As a father of three boys who have been involved in the Scout (2 still in the program), this decision bothers me.

The Scouts is a place where a boy can learn a lot about citizenship, responsibility, good manners, environmentalism (not the hippy progressive version) and other skills. Putting girls in this world will only lead to distraction. Yes, there are already women who are Den Leaders, but Den Leaders vs. peers your own age is something completely different.

If a girl wants to learn to do all these things she should just join the Girl Scouts or some similar type of group.

The GSA last year addressed this issue and have installed new programs similar to the BSA to give girls more outdoor options and leadership skills. I don't understand why this was necessary. It sickens me. My Uncle was involved in scouting for most of his adult life as a leader and later selling his thriving business to become a ranger at one of the largest BSA's camps in NC. I spoke to him yesterday about this. He is literally heart broken over this.

(10-13-2017 02:46 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  As a Eagle Scout and an adult volunteer inside the Boy Scouts of America this decision does not surprise me. I have read the above comments and just have to laugh at how uninformed the posters are about the scouting program. I left the Boy Scouts in the mid 80' and got back involved right at 15 years ago with the program as a volunteer when my son joined the Cub Scout Program. Some of the changes that took place during the 20 years that I was out of the program.
1. Females could now be Scoutmasters of Scout Troops.
2, Two deep leadership. Had to have 2 adults at all times with the youth of the unit. No one adult is to be any youth by themselves other than there own child.
3. Only the youth of an adult could sleep in the same tent as that adult.
4. Adults and youth do not use the same bathroom facilities at the same time.

Now the following changes have taken place since got back into the program as a volunteer.

1. Gay youth are now allowed inside the program. Before this change no openly gay youth was allowed to join the program and if a youth that was a member of the program came out of the closet they were removed from the scouting program. Before this change I do not know of any youth being asked if they were gay before they join the unit or anytime after they became a member of a unit.
2. Allow Gay Leaders inside the program. This as National Boy Scouts of America change in policy. No change was made on the local unit level. A local scout unit can make the decision to not allow a Gay person to register as a adult leader with the local unit.

What is know at this point from this new change in policy by the Boy Scouts.

Girls can join cub scout packs from the next program year. The Cub Scout program year starts in the fall of each year. Local packs are divided up into dens by the age of the youth. 1st graders (Tigers), 2nd graders (Wolfs), 3rd graders(Bears), and 4th & 5th graders (Webelos).
Local Packs will now have to make the decision of do they want to start new Dens at each grade level for girls. Boys and Girl will not be members of the same Den. For a Pack to recharter each year with the Boy Scouts they have to have at least one adult registered for each Den that they have youth registered with the unit in. Also have to have two adults at each Den meeting with one of them being a registered Adult Leader.

As to camping, per the Boy Scout rules, a Cub Scout can only camp at a family campout. Parent or other adult family member has to campout with them. The only exception to this rule is that a Webelos Den can campout as a Den with 2 deep leadership.

With the announcement it was stated that a Girl would be able to earn the rank of Eagle Scout. No details were given on this subject.

At least you aren't a "Valley Girl Scout!"

My son is still officially in the scouts although he hasn't participated for about a year and a half.

None of what you describe deals with the latest issues. If you are involved, you know the idea is that it is a "boy lead" troop (part of the reason he isn't participating-he comes home starved from every campout). The adults are distant supervision. So you will have some pretty unstructured activity with the boys and girls. That is a risk. Also, it is boys being boys, not trying to show off in front of girls. That diminishes what they are trying to do.

(10-13-2017 03:13 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As a father of three boys who have been involved in the Scout (2 still in the program), this decision bothers me.

The Scouts is a place where a boy can learn a lot about citizenship, responsibility, good manners, environmentalism (not the hippy progressive version) and other skills. Putting girls in this world will only lead to distraction. Yes, there are already women who are Den Leaders, but Den Leaders vs. peers your own age is something completely different.

If a girl wants to learn to do all these things she should just join the Girl Scouts or some similar type of group.

Girl Scouts is terrible, at least when my daughter was in it and my locality. They were interested in selling cookies, glitter art, hair, cooking, makeup, and political correctness. Odd mix.

My daughter was interested in camping, riding, hiking, learning to build a fire, animals, camping, etc.

The Boy Scout program would have been perfect for her.

But putting girls into the Boy Scouts will change it from being the Boy Scouts. The girls will not get the current Boy Scout experience...because it will be different. The only thing it does is to stop boys from getting the current Boy Scout experience too. They will now have a different vibe and culture. I am also sure that over time programs will be changed to be more girl friendly and add more girl-centric awards, merit badges, and achievement tracks.

Taking over the Girl Scouts and mirroring the Boy Scout philosophy would have been a better idea IMO.



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(10-13-2017 04:10 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 03:13 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As a father of three boys who have been involved in the Scout (2 still in the program), this decision bothers me.

The Scouts is a place where a boy can learn a lot about citizenship, responsibility, good manners, environmentalism (not the hippy progressive version) and other skills. Putting girls in this world will only lead to distraction. Yes, there are already women who are Den Leaders, but Den Leaders vs. peers your own age is something completely different.

If a girl wants to learn to do all these things she should just join the Girl Scouts or some similar type of group.

Girl Scouts is terrible, at least when my daughter was in it and my locality. They were interested in selling cookies, glitter art, hair, cooking, makeup, and political correctness. Odd mix.

My daughter was interested in camping, riding, hiking, learning to build a fire, animals, camping, etc.

The Boy Scout program would have been perfect for her.

But putting girls into the Boy Scouts will change it from being the Boy Scouts. The girls will not get the current Boy Scout experience...because it will be different. The only thing it does is to stop boys from getting the current Boy Scout experience too. They will now have a different vibe and culture. I am also sure that over time programs will be changed to be more girl friendly and add more girl-centric awards, merit badges, and achievement tracks.

Taking over the Girl Scouts and mirroring the Boy Scout philosophy would have been a better idea IMO.



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That was kind of it when my daughter was in. She's not necessarily into camping, but she is outdoorsy and not craftsy.

(10-13-2017 02:46 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  As a Eagle Scout and an adult volunteer inside the Boy Scouts of America this decision does not surprise me. I have read the above comments and just have to laugh at how uninformed the posters are about the scouting program. I left the Boy Scouts in the mid 80' and got back involved right at 15 years ago with the program as a volunteer when my son joined the Cub Scout Program. Some of the changes that took place during the 20 years that I was out of the program.
1. Females could now be Scoutmasters of Scout Troops.
2, Two deep leadership. Had to have 2 adults at all times with the youth of the unit. No one adult is to be any youth by themselves other than there own child.
3. Only the youth of an adult could sleep in the same tent as that adult.
4. Adults and youth do not use the same bathroom facilities at the same time.

Now the following changes have taken place since got back into the program as a volunteer.

1. Gay youth are now allowed inside the program. Before this change no openly gay youth was allowed to join the program and if a youth that was a member of the program came out of the closet they were removed from the scouting program. Before this change I do not know of any youth being asked if they were gay before they join the unit or anytime after they became a member of a unit.
2. Allow Gay Leaders inside the program. This as National Boy Scouts of America change in policy. No change was made on the local unit level. A local scout unit can make the decision to not allow a Gay person to register as a adult leader with the local unit.

What is know at this point from this new change in policy by the Boy Scouts.

Girls can join cub scout packs from the next program year. The Cub Scout program year starts in the fall of each year. Local packs are divided up into dens by the age of the youth. 1st graders (Tigers), 2nd graders (Wolfs), 3rd graders(Bears), and 4th & 5th graders (Webelos).
Local Packs will now have to make the decision of do they want to start new Dens at each grade level for girls. Boys and Girl will not be members of the same Den. For a Pack to recharter each year with the Boy Scouts they have to have at least one adult registered for each Den that they have youth registered with the unit in. Also have to have two adults at each Den meeting with one of them being a registered Adult Leader.

As to camping, per the Boy Scout rules, a Cub Scout can only camp at a family campout. Parent or other adult family member has to campout with them. The only exception to this rule is that a Webelos Den can campout as a Den with 2 deep leadership.

With the announcement it was stated that a Girl would be able to earn the rank of Eagle Scout. No details were given on this subject.

You think all of the chapters follow the rules?

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(10-13-2017 03:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It is just another feminist assault on men. It is disgusting and deplorable that this organization has not put up even the slightest fight. So much for molding boys into men.

That bothers me the most. Not that they allow girls or gays, but that they are teaching boys to take a knee. My boy will have no part of that and has no interest.

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