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RE: U.S. eliminated from World Cup
This failure and complete embarrassment was more on US Soccer as a whole and not necessarily certain players or coaches. Player development has been beyond horrible for years and it finally bit them in the a$$. I guess that falls on Jurgen as the recent technical director. He was a train wreck as a coach but possibly even worse as a technical director over US Soccer as a whole. Instead of focusing on youth development, he focused on bringing in mercenaries for lack of a better word to fill the gaps.

Successful national teams should always have a core group of players in their prime years. This team was all aging vets and talented youth. Hardly any core players in their prime, mid 20s years. That where lack of youth development rears it’s ugly head when you put it off for years and years as it appears he did. Sure you’ll always find a diamond in the rough, like Pulisic, but you can’t expect that to occur over and over.

You could see this coming for years too as the youth US national teams failed to qualify for World Cups and Olympics. Those are the players that should be the core of the senior squad now and they are MIA cause they don’t exist.
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I think I discovered the root cause of their "man love" for Jurgen. He's a metro. 03-lmfao

I think Bruce did a good job of working in some new blood in the Gold Cup, but it was way too late by then.
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This idea that guys have to be capped X number of times is just BS. If a guy is playing regularly in a top four European league, whether born here or not, they are a better damn option than half the old guard MLS guys we put out there. National teams are based on talent. The idea that we have to carefully brood chemistry for a team that plays 10 competitive matches in their busiest years is how we ended up with this aging mess. Then to say we would've had to make roster changes if we made it? Insane.

And again, I will not argue for Klinsmann and will not argue that we have a talent issue this cycle. But if you seriously think we didn't have the players to DRAW Trinidad's B team (B+ if we're generous) in a do or die, or get a result against Costa Rica at home for that matter, you're nuts. That is on Bruce, and it's perfectly possible to acknowledge both.
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Bruce sent home Rowe, Miazga, Roldan and Dwyer so he could bring in the same aging MLS guys and beat some C teams to get a meaningless trophy. He played Guzan and Howard the whole time. And that's still the best part of his whole tenure.

I do have to disagree on one point. If Jurgen was good at anything it was TD. Plugging holes with dual nationals (if thats what you want to call it, never mind that no country turns down talent) isn't mutually exclusive to youth success. Our U17 and U20 teams are as good as ever at this moment. The Olympics, while fun, are a non-issue in reality. The qualifiers don't even fall on the FIFA calendar. Teams can't bring in their best players. The future is bright with the right manager and TD.

But its impossible to know if Jurgen actually did anything to brood those guys or if we're more just lucky to have guys like McKennie, CCV, Sargent, etc. My gut says the latter because one guy in 5 years doesn't overhaul the youth system, and results are 10 years down the line anyway. It's a system wide effort to do something like that and it needs to be the only focus right now. No competitive senior matches for 600 days.
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(10-11-2017 02:06 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  This idea that guys have to be capped X number of times is just BS. If a guy is playing regularly in a top four European league, whether born here or not, they are a better damn option than half the old guard MLS guys we put out there. National teams are based on talent. The idea that we have to carefully brood chemistry for a team that plays 10 competitive matches in their busiest years is how we ended up with this aging mess. Then to say we would've had to make roster changes if we made it? Insane.

And again, I will not argue for Klinsmann and will not argue that we have a talent issue this cycle. But if you seriously think we didn't have the players to DRAW Trinidad's B team (B+ if we're generous) in a do or die, or get a result against Costa Rica at home for that matter, you're nuts. That is on Bruce, and it's perfectly possible to acknowledge both.

No, it's not BS, Germany does that now, you know, the same Germany your hero came from right? Jurgen stuck with these old guard players all along. And Johnson sucks donkey balls. He can stay away from USMNT.

Jurbag should have been fired after the World Cup. Terrible TD, he took credit for development that was happening organically and he was just TD in name only.

Metro dbag that he is.
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A 'blip' on the radar. HS athletic talent is moving into soccer while it declines in football. The talent pool is increasing, not decreasing. This World Cup was an anomaly, it won't be repeated.
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Whatever will I watch on TV next summer?
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(10-11-2017 04:51 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  A 'blip' on the radar. HS athletic talent is moving into soccer while it declines in football. The talent pool is increasing, not decreasing. This World Cup was an anomaly, it won't be repeated.

They're moving to 48 teams next time, so I would assume it won't happen again.
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(10-11-2017 04:49 PM)ChicagoMan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:06 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  This idea that guys have to be capped X number of times is just BS. If a guy is playing regularly in a top four European league, whether born here or not, they are a better damn option than half the old guard MLS guys we put out there. National teams are based on talent. The idea that we have to carefully brood chemistry for a team that plays 10 competitive matches in their busiest years is how we ended up with this aging mess. Then to say we would've had to make roster changes if we made it? Insane.

And again, I will not argue for Klinsmann and will not argue that we have a talent issue this cycle. But if you seriously think we didn't have the players to DRAW Trinidad's B team (B+ if we're generous) in a do or die, or get a result against Costa Rica at home for that matter, you're nuts. That is on Bruce, and it's perfectly possible to acknowledge both.

No, it's not BS, Germany does that now, you know, the same Germany your hero came from right? Jurgen stuck with these old guard players all along. And Johnson sucks donkey balls. He can stay away from USMNT.

Jurbag should have been fired after the World Cup. Terrible TD, he took credit for development that was happening organically and he was just TD in name only.

Metro dbag that he is.

Germany has so much talent that they brought basically a U23 team to the Confederations Cup against a bunch of top teams' A squads and won it anyway. We aren't Germany.

Although that brings up a good point, Bruce should have brought in an actual youth team for the Gold Cup, and all the supporters I knew at the time agreed. We learned little to nothing from that tournament because he didn't play anyone new for the knockouts when we actually had sort of tough games.

It's pretty clear you've run out of arguments, and that the extent of your soccer knowledge is from watching the USMNT for a while. That's fine, but don't try to pass the Bruce Arena garbage fire as acceptable because you remember when he won some World Cup games 15 years ago. There is a reason that hire was widely panned. And you've refused to address any points regarding him. Just "it's all Jurgen's fault".
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(10-11-2017 06:33 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:49 PM)ChicagoMan Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 02:06 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  This idea that guys have to be capped X number of times is just BS. If a guy is playing regularly in a top four European league, whether born here or not, they are a better damn option than half the old guard MLS guys we put out there. National teams are based on talent. The idea that we have to carefully brood chemistry for a team that plays 10 competitive matches in their busiest years is how we ended up with this aging mess. Then to say we would've had to make roster changes if we made it? Insane.

And again, I will not argue for Klinsmann and will not argue that we have a talent issue this cycle. But if you seriously think we didn't have the players to DRAW Trinidad's B team (B+ if we're generous) in a do or die, or get a result against Costa Rica at home for that matter, you're nuts. That is on Bruce, and it's perfectly possible to acknowledge both.

No, it's not BS, Germany does that now, you know, the same Germany your hero came from right? Jurgen stuck with these old guard players all along. And Johnson sucks donkey balls. He can stay away from USMNT.

Jurbag should have been fired after the World Cup. Terrible TD, he took credit for development that was happening organically and he was just TD in name only.

Metro dbag that he is.

Germany has so much talent that they brought basically a U23 team to the Confederations Cup against a bunch of top teams' A squads and won it anyway. We aren't Germany.

Although that brings up a good point, Bruce should have brought in an actual youth team for the Gold Cup, and all the supporters I knew at the time agreed. We learned little to nothing from that tournament because he didn't play anyone new for the knockouts when we actually had sort of tough games.

It's pretty clear you've run out of arguments, and that the extent of your soccer knowledge is from watching the USMNT for a while. That's fine, but don't try to pass the Bruce Arena garbage fire as acceptable because you remember when he won some World Cup games 15 years ago. There is a reason that hire was widely panned. And you've refused to address any points regarding him. Just "it's all Jurgen's fault".

You confused little metro, I did address your "points" as their being pointless. We're in this situation due to Jurbag. I have been watching EPL since way before you were born. It's clear you think that because you have some rudimentary soccer knowledge and follow European soccer that you are the only one "qualified" to discuss. What a poser arrogant take. Why am I not surprised?

You sound like those gay guys out there that yell at other gay guys for not being GAY enough. You do that too?

03-lmfao Bruce should have brought youth in for the Gold Cup for Jurgen doesn't do anything for five years and it's ok? THAT is rich.

You're take is exactly the problem with the soccer culture in this country, your type of faux expert attitude.

BTW, Jason LaCanforna has a great take on how "not inclusive" the sport is and why we don't develop elite talent in this country.
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