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Tarleton St creates DI task force for DI move up
jtacnews.com/9672/student-life/tarleton-creates-task-force-for-potential-d-i-invite/

Besides Tarleton St, Texas A&M-Commerce is rumored to be preparing for a Southland invite. Another rumor is that Prairie View A&M has been approached to change conferences. Because PVAM is an A&M system school, they may be open to it.

With the DII Lonestar Conference just merging with the Heartland Conference, something is up. Still suspect that Sam Houston St, SFA, and Lamar may leave for FBS or that Louisiana schools may be forced to merge, which would create havoc in the Southland.

A WAC could take them in, UTRGV starts FB with FBS as the goal and Wichita St and Mo St go fb only with the WAC. There has been coaches talk that fb schools will come to the WAC.

WAC football would be

NMSU
UTRGV
Sam Houston St
S F Austin
Lamar
Wichita St (fb only)
Mo St (fb only)

McNeese St, Incarnate Word, and UCA seem like stretches.

With the Southland having so many schools, something big is coming down the pike for it to consider expansion.
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I'll bite on this.

I wonder if some of the top Southland schools are thinking about FBS. they know the Southland will likely kick them out so perhaps they have a plan concocted to get the WAC to take them. As FBS Indy programs they can play eachother, NMSU, Liberty, and UMass to fill their schedules.

Naturally if the Southland is losing members the place t go is the best of the Lonestar and I think their best could make it against the Southland especially if SFA, Sam Houston St, and Lamar move up.
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Both the former coaches of mbb at Seattle and NMSU have said this spring that fb schools were coming to the WAC. Was derided on the WAC board and elsewhere for taking that talk seriously.

For a Texas school to have fb, it almost has to be FBS to be taken seriously. SHSU and Lamar have made FBS a clear goal for years.
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It looks like UIW and ACU are coming off the transitional dole. Could the Southland split into two FCS-centric leagues? This could guarantee the WAC's (or Summit's) survival, and allow quite a few schools to get out of their current situation.

In the worst case for the Summit, it can take several Southland schools and form a stable FCS conference apart from the MVFC:

North - UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Denver, Omaha
South - ORU, SHSU, SFA, UCA, Lamar, A&M-CC

This yields an 8/12 setup (no football at Denver, Omaha, Corpus Christi, and Oral Roberts). The Southland then gets left with this lineup:

ACU, UIW, HBU, Nicholas St, McNesse St, Northwestern St, New Orleans, SE Louisiana, Tarleton St

If the Southland wants to go to 10 members, it can bail UTRGV out of the WAC.

The WAC would really need the Southland to get to 12 in football (with Tarleton fully transitioned) before splitting, but UTRGV has talked about adding football as well. Of course if the intent is not FCS, but FBS, then there is no need to add a set number of schools at any particular time.

The only drawback to blowing up the WAC is that schools like Utah Valley and Cal Baptist only have so many options for changing conferences. The Southland and WAC also need at least eight schools apiece, so right now there would need to be at least four non-FCS schools involved:

WAC - UMKC*, NMSU*, UTRGV*, UCA, SFA, Lamar, SHSU, ACU, Tarleton
SLC - A&MCC*, UNO*, SELA, McNeese, Nicholas, NSU, HBU, UIW

At this point to place the rest of the WAC, you would need the Summit basically to be down to six schools (ORU to WAC or SLC), then adding the rest of the WAC to get enough schools that play baseball:

West - CSUB, CBU, GCU, UVU, Seattle
East - UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Omaha, Denver

Of course Denver will probably join the Southland before sharing a conference with Grand Canyon.
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(10-09-2017 10:06 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  It looks like UIW and ACU are coming off the transitional dole. Could the Southland split into two FCS-centric leagues? This could guarantee the WAC's (or Summit's) survival, and allow quite a few schools to get out of their current situation.

In the worst case for the Summit, it can take several Southland schools and form a stable FCS conference apart from the MVFC:

North - UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Denver, Omaha
South - ORU, SHSU, SFA, UCA, Lamar, A&M-CC

This yields an 8/12 setup (no football at Denver, Omaha, Corpus Christi, and Oral Roberts). The Southland then gets left with this lineup:

ACU, UIW, HBU, Nicholas St, McNesse St, Northwestern St, New Orleans, SE Louisiana, Tarleton St

If the Southland wants to go to 10 members, it can bail UTRGV out of the WAC.

The WAC would really need the Southland to get to 12 in football (with Tarleton fully transitioned) before splitting, but UTRGV has talked about adding football as well. Of course if the intent is not FCS, but FBS, then there is no need to add a set number of schools at any particular time.

The only drawback to blowing up the WAC is that schools like Utah Valley and Cal Baptist only have so many options for changing conferences. The Southland and WAC also need at least eight schools apiece, so right now there would need to be at least four non-FCS schools involved:

WAC - UMKC*, NMSU*, UTRGV*, UCA, SFA, Lamar, SHSU, ACU, Tarleton
SLC - A&MCC*, UNO*, SELA, McNeese, Nicholas, NSU, HBU, UIW

At this point to place the rest of the WAC, you would need the Summit basically to be down to six schools (ORU to WAC or SLC), then adding the rest of the WAC to get enough schools that play baseball:

West - CSUB, CBU, GCU, UVU, Seattle
East - UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Omaha, Denver

Of course Denver will probably join the Southland before sharing a conference with Grand Canyon.

Still convinced that the Montanas and Idaho will join the Summit. Have followed UND's story for years so much more far familiar with the Montana talk than anyone here. The Big Sky schools have always been afraid that the Montanas would prefer the Dakotas for academics and rivalries, which are superior to anything the Big Sky offered once Idaho, Boise St and Nevada left.

Denver needs UND as much as we need them. The Denver move to the Summit had much more strategic implications that Denver didn't reveal at the time, but most people bought the GCU non-profit issue because Denver kept their strategic tactics to themselves. Denver tried to get into the Big Sky but was rebuffed by the slacker schools for not having football. The Montanas and Idaho want to associate with them too as well as the Dakotas.
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(10-09-2017 10:06 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  It looks like UIW and ACU are coming off the transitional dole. Could the Southland split into two FCS-centric leagues? This could guarantee the WAC's (or Summit's) survival, and allow quite a few schools to get out of their current situation.

In the worst case for the Summit, it can take several Southland schools and form a stable FCS conference apart from the MVFC:

North - UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Denver, Omaha
South - ORU, SHSU, SFA, UCA, Lamar, A&M-CC

This yields an 8/12 setup (no football at Denver, Omaha, Corpus Christi, and Oral Roberts). The Southland then gets left with this lineup:

ACU, UIW, HBU, Nicholas St, McNesse St, Northwestern St, New Orleans, SE Louisiana, Tarleton St

If the Southland wants to go to 10 members, it can bail UTRGV out of the WAC.

The WAC would really need the Southland to get to 12 in football (with Tarleton fully transitioned) before splitting, but UTRGV has talked about adding football as well. Of course if the intent is not FCS, but FBS, then there is no need to add a set number of schools at any particular time.

The only drawback to blowing up the WAC is that schools like Utah Valley and Cal Baptist only have so many options for changing conferences. The Southland and WAC also need at least eight schools apiece, so right now there would need to be at least four non-FCS schools involved:

WAC - UMKC*, NMSU*, UTRGV*, UCA, SFA, Lamar, SHSU, ACU, Tarleton
SLC - A&MCC*, UNO*, SELA, McNeese, Nicholas, NSU, HBU, UIW

At this point to place the rest of the WAC, you would need the Summit basically to be down to six schools (ORU to WAC or SLC), then adding the rest of the WAC to get enough schools that play baseball:

West - CSUB, CBU, GCU, UVU, Seattle
East - UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, Omaha, Denver

Of course Denver will probably join the Southland before sharing a conference with Grand Canyon.


Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Tech have been on the rumor boards for Southland Conference for years. Harding have been thinking of moving to D1. If Central Oklahoma goes? NE Oklahoma State could join the GAC with Arkansas Tech goes. Remember the article I posted about NE Oklahoma State talking about moving to an all Oklahoma conference? NE Oklahoma State could go to the GAC as a full member with the other Oklahoma schools.

West Texas A&M, Angelo State, UTPB and Midwestern State all with Kingsville could move to D1 as well. Southland east could formed an all Louisiana/Arkansas conference with maybe a Missouri S&T and Missouri Southern as as possible northern conference.

Other football schools that could move up to the WAC? Colorado Mesa, Colorado State-Pueblo, Azusa Pacific, Dixie State and maybe Central Washington.

Langston wants to move to D2. Bacone could join them in GAC.

Carroll, Montana could move to RMAC.
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(10-09-2017 10:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Tech have been on the rumor boards for Southland Conference for years. Harding have been thinking of moving to D1. If Central Oklahoma goes? NE Oklahoma State could join the GAC with Arkansas Tech goes. Remember the article I posted about NE Oklahoma State talking about moving to an all Oklahoma conference? NE Oklahoma State could go to the GAC as a full member with the other Oklahoma schools.

West Texas A&M, Angelo State, UTPB and Midwestern State all with Kingsville could move to D1 as well. Southland east could formed an all Louisiana/Arkansas conference with maybe a Missouri S&T and Missouri Southern as as possible northern conference.

This delusional fantasy has grown very tiresome. ATU has NO desire for D1.
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Tarleton St announced a master plan back in 2007 to go DI.

Now they have increased enrollment to >12k, improved minor sports facilities, and raised their athletic fees to afford the annual cost. The Southland wants and needs a DFW presence which they last had when UTA left. Tarleton St is not directly in DFW, but close enough to the western environs. UTAM-Commerce would bookend the east side of the Metroplex, as those two schools would bring much more value to the Southland than any other Lone Star school.

Think this is inevitable.
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there is zero chance that Stephen F. Austin, Sam Houston or Lamar could survive in D1-A football

they will kill their programs if they even try

they do not come close to having the budgets, fan, financial or alumni support nor do they come close to having the facilities

I would see it as highly possible the Texas legislature steps in to stop it if they try as well
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(10-10-2017 12:41 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  there is zero chance that Stephen F. Austin, Sam Houston or Lamar could survive in D1-A football

they will kill their programs if they even try

they do not come close to having the budgets, fan, financial or alumni support nor do they come close to having the facilities

I would see it as highly possible the Texas legislature steps in to stop it if they try as well

The Texas schools all have much greater athletic budgets and enrollment than Louisiana-Monroe by at least $3 mill. Going FBS is only 44 more expensive if one goes the cheap route like ULM. The programs will not be gold plated like other Texas teams.

If the Texas legislature does something, more money can be saved by going after high school districts, which gold plate their stadiums and programs.
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