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(10-10-2017 12:41 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  there is zero chance that Stephen F. Austin, Sam Houston or Lamar could survive in D1-A football

they will kill their programs if they even try

they do not come close to having the budgets, fan, financial or alumni support nor do they come close to having the facilities

I would see it as highly possible the Texas legislature steps in to stop it if they try as well

Lamar wants FBS because of the Sooners connections.
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Huh. There is a school called Incarnate Word.
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Southland needs a 12th football and 14th all sports to balance the schedules out.
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(10-10-2017 08:15 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Huh. There is a school called Incarnate Word.

Catholic school in San Antonio.
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(10-10-2017 02:36 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 12:41 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  there is zero chance that Stephen F. Austin, Sam Houston or Lamar could survive in D1-A football

they will kill their programs if they even try

they do not come close to having the budgets, fan, financial or alumni support nor do they come close to having the facilities

I would see it as highly possible the Texas legislature steps in to stop it if they try as well

The Texas schools all have much greater athletic budgets and enrollment than Louisiana-Monroe by at least $3 mill. Going FBS is only 44 more expensive if one goes the cheap route like ULM. The programs will not be gold plated like other Texas teams.

If the Texas legislature does something, more money can be saved by going after high school districts, which gold plate their stadiums and programs.

only because they subsidize $7+ million more per year Vs ULM

and the high school sports are a local tax funded issue not a state funded issue or a student funded issue with little or no student input for a large part of it

Texas limits student athletics fees to a max of $20 per credit hour, but universities simply fund more from general tuition anyway and if more of these schools with enrollments that are not close to being able to sustain a D1-A program try and move up Texas will step in and set a hard limit of $20 per credit hour and zero other dollars from any other source other than donations

and just because ULM does something that does not make it a good idea and in Louisiana it is possible to use state funds for athletics as well and to get state funds for facilities so that is something the State of Louisiana has made a decision on

Texas does not allow that and if more of these schools try and move to D1-A Texas will step in and make sure that $20 per credit hour student approved athletics fee is a hard cap with no ability to just spend more tuition dollars without student input
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Anyone know current enrollment of A&M-San Antonio? Wiki shows 5,500 but not sure how recent that is. They are wanting to get to 25,000 by 2025. I expect they'll get division 1 athletics around then as well.

Tarleton seems like a good fit for the Southland, they'd be a nice a FCS school. Sam Houston St has enrollment of about 20,000, that should be good to be a low end FBS team. SFA and Lamar are a bit behind in enrollment, I'm not sure if they're ready for FBS. I'm sure they'd all like to move up together and get back with Texas State, I'm just not sure how feasible it is right now.
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(10-10-2017 02:36 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 12:41 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  there is zero chance that Stephen F. Austin, Sam Houston or Lamar could survive in D1-A football

they will kill their programs if they even try

they do not come close to having the budgets, fan, financial or alumni support nor do they come close to having the facilities

I would see it as highly possible the Texas legislature steps in to stop it if they try as well

The Texas schools all have much greater athletic budgets and enrollment than Louisiana-Monroe by at least $3 mill. Going FBS is only 44 more expensive if one goes the cheap route like ULM. The programs will not be gold plated like other Texas teams.

If the Texas legislature does something, more money can be saved by going after high school districts, which gold plate their stadiums and programs.

Trying to be just better than the worst funded FBS school should not be the measuring stick. If you are going the cheap route, why go at all?

If you can't get your budget up to at least $25 million, you don't belong in FBS.

Only 4 FBS programs fell below that:
LTU - 23 Million
Bowling Green 23 Million
Idaho - 22 Million
UL-Monroe - Under 15 Million
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(10-10-2017 11:25 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  Anyone know current enrollment of A&M-San Antonio? Wiki shows 5,500 but not sure how recent that is. They are wanting to get to 25,000 by 2025. I expect they'll get division 1 athletics around then as well.

Tarleton seems like a good fit for the Southland, they'd be a nice a FCS school. Sam Houston St has enrollment of about 20,000, that should be good to be a low end FBS team. SFA and Lamar are a bit behind in enrollment, I'm not sure if they're ready for FBS. I'm sure they'd all like to move up together and get back with Texas State, I'm just not sure how feasible it is right now.

TAMU-SA is Jr. Sr. only so that makes them a poor candidate for any athletics

and The State of Texas has an enrollment forecast of 6,500 for 2030 so 25,000 is most likely a LONG way off

and SHSU has a lot of students off campus at places like The Woodlands (over 2,000 students) and Lone Star College campuses (probably another 2,000) so they do not have close to 20,000 on campus not to mention a lot of their students head home for the weekend
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(10-10-2017 11:45 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 11:25 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  Anyone know current enrollment of A&M-San Antonio? Wiki shows 5,500 but not sure how recent that is. They are wanting to get to 25,000 by 2025. I expect they'll get division 1 athletics around then as well.

Tarleton seems like a good fit for the Southland, they'd be a nice a FCS school. Sam Houston St has enrollment of about 20,000, that should be good to be a low end FBS team. SFA and Lamar are a bit behind in enrollment, I'm not sure if they're ready for FBS. I'm sure they'd all like to move up together and get back with Texas State, I'm just not sure how feasible it is right now.

TAMU-SA is Jr. Sr. only so that makes them a poor candidate for any athletics

and The State of Texas has an enrollment forecast of 6,500 for 2030 so 25,000 is most likely a LONG way off

and SHSU has a lot of students off campus at places like The Woodlands (over 2,000 students) and Lone Star College campuses (probably another 2,000) so they do not have close to 20,000 on campus not to mention a lot of their students head home for the weekend

They're supposed to have started their first freshman class this fall. From what I can see it looks like only 600 students initially (http://www.tamusa.edu/news/2017/08/welco...ester.html)

Although this article makes it look like freshman were there last year, and expects enrollment at 8,000 within 4 years - http://www.expressnews.com/news/educatio...995042.php

The wiki page for the school also shows freshman and sophomores last year, but it looks like the 25,000 in 2025 goal was set back in 2007. Difficult to make sense of how soon that school will grow.
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(10-10-2017 12:34 PM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 11:45 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 11:25 AM)Phlipper33 Wrote:  Anyone know current enrollment of A&M-San Antonio? Wiki shows 5,500 but not sure how recent that is. They are wanting to get to 25,000 by 2025. I expect they'll get division 1 athletics around then as well.

Tarleton seems like a good fit for the Southland, they'd be a nice a FCS school. Sam Houston St has enrollment of about 20,000, that should be good to be a low end FBS team. SFA and Lamar are a bit behind in enrollment, I'm not sure if they're ready for FBS. I'm sure they'd all like to move up together and get back with Texas State, I'm just not sure how feasible it is right now.

TAMU-SA is Jr. Sr. only so that makes them a poor candidate for any athletics

and The State of Texas has an enrollment forecast of 6,500 for 2030 so 25,000 is most likely a LONG way off

and SHSU has a lot of students off campus at places like The Woodlands (over 2,000 students) and Lone Star College campuses (probably another 2,000) so they do not have close to 20,000 on campus not to mention a lot of their students head home for the weekend

They're supposed to have started their first freshman class this fall. From what I can see it looks like only 600 students initially (http://www.tamusa.edu/news/2017/08/welco...ester.html)

Although this article makes it look like freshman were there last year, and expects enrollment at 8,000 within 4 years - http://www.expressnews.com/news/educatio...995042.php

The wiki page for the school also shows freshman and sophomores last year, but it looks like the 25,000 in 2025 goal was set back in 2007. Difficult to make sense of how soon that school will grow.

the A&M System is far and away the least supportive university system to non-flagship system schools in Texas

there is little chance that major athletics programs are anything more that "planning" window dressing along with big enrollment goals being just big words
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