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RE: ESPN suspends Jemele Hill for two weeks
(10-11-2017 09:47 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:03 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Players are still free to kneel, no one will physically stop them. If they are faced with being docked a game check, IMO, they will spring to their feet quicker Charlie Sheen goes through a line of coke. Why? Because they know, as anyone with common sense does, that they as multi-millionaire athletes aren't being systematically oppressed. The idea is absurd, no matter how much ESPN tries to sell the idea.

So you’re saying you don’t actually understand what the kneeling was all about.

Fine. Just acknowledge it.

Quote:Today, we get pansies like Michael Bennett crying, literally, and claiming police harassment, and being praised by ESPN for his courage. Until the actual video comes out showing no such thing happened, that he ran from police responding to a shooting, was briefly detained, and then released.

Funny how LVPD never released the full video right? You know, like when they might have had a gun to the man’s head?

Colin Kaepernick kneel because of the injustices of police brutality towards black men and the lack of accountability. That didn’t mean it was something that happened to him.

But I’ll tell you what; when I see what happened to Tamir Rice, I had no doubt that could have just as easily happened to a kid in my family.

How often are you worried that a silly child in your family could be shot by police and get a two week paid administrative leave as a consequence?

2016 police killings of unarmed black men = 16.
2016 police killings of unarmed white men = 22.
2016 black men killing police = 66.
2016 NFL player arrests = 28.
2016 black murder rates of black victims > 6,000.

So, yeah. It's an interesting thing to focus on.
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RE: ESPN suspends Jemele Hill for two weeks
Year after year, over 93% of AA homicides are committed by AA's.

But instead of focusing on reducing intraracial crime, some want to promote the comparatively miniscule incidences of wrongful police shootings for their political benefit.
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(10-11-2017 03:35 PM)Crazier Wrote:  
(10-09-2017 09:56 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  They'll put any dumb*** on that's black and/or female.

Taking all the good jobs right? It's time to build a spaceship to send them back to Venus.

According to the Nation of Islam there is a Mother ship out there waiting to take the followers back to the home planet.
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(10-11-2017 09:47 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:03 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Players are still free to kneel, no one will physically stop them. If they are faced with being docked a game check, IMO, they will spring to their feet quicker Charlie Sheen goes through a line of coke. Why? Because they know, as anyone with common sense does, that they as multi-millionaire athletes aren't being systematically oppressed. The idea is absurd, no matter how much ESPN tries to sell the idea.

So you’re saying you don’t actually understand what the kneeling was all about.

Fine. Just acknowledge it.

Quote:50 years ago, Muhammad Ali refused the draft, was stripped of his heavyweight title, and was sentenced to 5 years in prison. Paid a huge sacrifice for his stand. And he never budged.

Why are you comparing Ali to this? That was directly happening to him.

But I guess you can’t donate money to St. Jude because you aren’t getting childhood cancer.

Quote:Today, we get pansies like Michael Bennett crying, literally, and claiming police harassment, and being praised by ESPN for his courage. Until the actual video comes out showing no such thing happened, that he ran from police responding to a shooting, was briefly detained, and then released.

Funny how LVPD never released the full video right? You know, like when they might have had a gun to the man’s head?

Colin Kaepernick kneel because of the injustices of police brutality towards black men and the lack of accountability. That didn’t mean it was something that happened to him.

But I’ll tell you what; when I see what happened to Tamir Rice, I had no doubt that could have just as easily happened to a kid in my family.

How often are you worried that a silly child in your family could be shot by police and get a two week paid administrative leave as a consequence?

It is YOU who does not know what the kneeling is about. It started on the 15th anniversary of 911 by Kap due to his GF being Muslim and he was protesting the way muslims were "treated" in the US and the US presence in the middle east. Then the thug mentality piled on and tried to make it a protest of the alleged mistreatment of people of color.

The telling part of the issue is that all of the honest hard working blacks who support these loser are actually protecting the thugs who are responsible for crime and violent that prevent the hard working blacks from enjoying the fruits of their labor out of fear.

And if they do not stand up behind these thugs they are called uncle toms or accused of not being black.


Just remember that Kaepernick did not have any kind of protest of any kind until he started dating Vanessa “Nessa” Diab. A Muslim woman who called the Baltimore Ravens owner s slave owner and said the black in America suffer from the Stockholm syndrome. She is a biter follower of the Nation of Islam. In reality a black supremacist organization. An organization which killed it's own leaders when they started to question the movement.

And no i do not fear any of my family being shot like Tamir Rice, because we teach the kids in my family not to point guns even play guns at people in public and pretend to be shooting them and for sure to not pull it out and point it at police. If not for politics the cops should have not even been given two seek suspension. IF YOU ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO PULL EVEN A PRETEND GUN AND POINT IT AT COPS YOU DESERVE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU.
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This is the mentality of the church leaders of which Keapernick and Diab follow blindly and base their view of the world.



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RE: ESPN suspends Jemele Hill for two weeks
(10-12-2017 01:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 09:47 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:03 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Players are still free to kneel, no one will physically stop them. If they are faced with being docked a game check, IMO, they will spring to their feet quicker Charlie Sheen goes through a line of coke. Why? Because they know, as anyone with common sense does, that they as multi-millionaire athletes aren't being systematically oppressed. The idea is absurd, no matter how much ESPN tries to sell the idea.

So you’re saying you don’t actually understand what the kneeling was all about.

Fine. Just acknowledge it.

Quote:Today, we get pansies like Michael Bennett crying, literally, and claiming police harassment, and being praised by ESPN for his courage. Until the actual video comes out showing no such thing happened, that he ran from police responding to a shooting, was briefly detained, and then released.

Funny how LVPD never released the full video right? You know, like when they might have had a gun to the man’s head?

Colin Kaepernick kneel because of the injustices of police brutality towards black men and the lack of accountability. That didn’t mean it was something that happened to him.

But I’ll tell you what; when I see what happened to Tamir Rice, I had no doubt that could have just as easily happened to a kid in my family.

How often are you worried that a silly child in your family could be shot by police and get a two week paid administrative leave as a consequence?

2016 police killings of unarmed black men = 16.
2016 police killings of unarmed white men = 22.
2016 black men killing police = 66.
2016 NFL player arrests = 28.
2016 black murder rates of black victims > 6,000.

So, yeah. It's an interesting thing to focus on.

Source for your statistics please.

FBI doesn’t keep track of police killings.
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RE: ESPN suspends Jemele Hill for two weeks
(10-13-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 09:47 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:03 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Players are still free to kneel, no one will physically stop them. If they are faced with being docked a game check, IMO, they will spring to their feet quicker Charlie Sheen goes through a line of coke. Why? Because they know, as anyone with common sense does, that they as multi-millionaire athletes aren't being systematically oppressed. The idea is absurd, no matter how much ESPN tries to sell the idea.

So you’re saying you don’t actually understand what the kneeling was all about.

Fine. Just acknowledge it.

Quote:Today, we get pansies like Michael Bennett crying, literally, and claiming police harassment, and being praised by ESPN for his courage. Until the actual video comes out showing no such thing happened, that he ran from police responding to a shooting, was briefly detained, and then released.

Funny how LVPD never released the full video right? You know, like when they might have had a gun to the man’s head?

Colin Kaepernick kneel because of the injustices of police brutality towards black men and the lack of accountability. That didn’t mean it was something that happened to him.

But I’ll tell you what; when I see what happened to Tamir Rice, I had no doubt that could have just as easily happened to a kid in my family.

How often are you worried that a silly child in your family could be shot by police and get a two week paid administrative leave as a consequence?

2016 police killings of unarmed black men = 16.
2016 police killings of unarmed white men = 22.
2016 black men killing police = 66.
2016 NFL player arrests = 28.
2016 black murder rates of black victims > 6,000.

So, yeah. It's an interesting thing to focus on.

Source for your statistics please.

FBI doesn’t keep track of police killings.

The FBI absolutely does track murder of police officers. Here are some sources for what Colin Kap would probably call "killing the pigs". (I couldn't locate the exact source I used yesterday, but there are plenty of other sources to allow you to come up with similar conclusions.)

Washington Post
CBS News
NLEO Memorial Fund
Officer Down
NY Post
National Review

I also have the Washington Post excel file of all the police killings of citizens. You can download that by going to the WP Fatal Force website. It is eye-opening.

As for BoB homicide and NFL arrests, those are easy to google and get the data.

One thing that struck me as I researched this, is that there were more police officers gunned down in ambushes last year - 21 - than there were unarmed black men killed by police - 16. In fact, cop killings of unarmed blacks were down significantly last year - while murders of cops increased dramatically. There's a solid theory that the BLM protests impacted BOTH of these.

But keep protesting that number, while BoB homicides climb over 7,000.
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RE: ESPN suspends Jemele Hill for two weeks
(10-13-2017 02:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 09:47 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:03 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Players are still free to kneel, no one will physically stop them. If they are faced with being docked a game check, IMO, they will spring to their feet quicker Charlie Sheen goes through a line of coke. Why? Because they know, as anyone with common sense does, that they as multi-millionaire athletes aren't being systematically oppressed. The idea is absurd, no matter how much ESPN tries to sell the idea.

So you’re saying you don’t actually understand what the kneeling was all about.

Fine. Just acknowledge it.

Quote:Today, we get pansies like Michael Bennett crying, literally, and claiming police harassment, and being praised by ESPN for his courage. Until the actual video comes out showing no such thing happened, that he ran from police responding to a shooting, was briefly detained, and then released.

Funny how LVPD never released the full video right? You know, like when they might have had a gun to the man’s head?

Colin Kaepernick kneel because of the injustices of police brutality towards black men and the lack of accountability. That didn’t mean it was something that happened to him.

But I’ll tell you what; when I see what happened to Tamir Rice, I had no doubt that could have just as easily happened to a kid in my family.

How often are you worried that a silly child in your family could be shot by police and get a two week paid administrative leave as a consequence?

2016 police killings of unarmed black men = 16.
2016 police killings of unarmed white men = 22.
2016 black men killing police = 66.
2016 NFL player arrests = 28.
2016 black murder rates of black victims > 6,000.

So, yeah. It's an interesting thing to focus on.

Source for your statistics please.

FBI doesn’t keep track of police killings.

The FBI absolutely does track murder of police officers. Here are some sources for what Colin Kap would probably call "killing the pigs". (I couldn't locate the exact source I used yesterday, but there are plenty of other sources to allow you to come up with similar conclusions.)

Washington Post
CBS News
NLEO Memorial FundOfficer Down
NY Post
http://National Review
National Review

I also have the Washington Post excel file of all the police killings of citizens. You can download that by going to the WP Fatal Force website. It is eye-opening.

As for BoB homicide and NFL arrests, those are easy to google and get the data.

One thing that struck me as I researched this, is that there were more police officers gunned down in ambushes last year - 21 - than there were unarmed black men killed by police - 16. In fact, cop killings of unarmed blacks were down significantly last year - while murders of cops increased dramatically. There's a solid theory that the BLM protests impacted BOTH of these.

But keep protesting that number, while BoB homicides climb over 7,000.

Check out "the war on cops" by heather macdonald. Enlightening.
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Well said, '87.

The reality is with surveillance cameras, body cams, dashboard cams, and often the civilian having smart phone video . . . bad policing is much more rare now than ever. It will never completely disappear. Cops are human, and humans make mistakes and some cops are corrupt. Like with the Walter Scott shooting in South Carolina, the cop was fired and prosecuted, and hopefully will be convicted. But to claim a system of oppression is absurd.

But that doesn't fit the narrative. BLM and their ilk can't raise money or get cable tv exposure by playing it straight.
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(10-13-2017 02:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 09:47 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 04:03 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Players are still free to kneel, no one will physically stop them. If they are faced with being docked a game check, IMO, they will spring to their feet quicker Charlie Sheen goes through a line of coke. Why? Because they know, as anyone with common sense does, that they as multi-millionaire athletes aren't being systematically oppressed. The idea is absurd, no matter how much ESPN tries to sell the idea.

So you’re saying you don’t actually understand what the kneeling was all about.

Fine. Just acknowledge it.

Quote:Today, we get pansies like Michael Bennett crying, literally, and claiming police harassment, and being praised by ESPN for his courage. Until the actual video comes out showing no such thing happened, that he ran from police responding to a shooting, was briefly detained, and then released.

Funny how LVPD never released the full video right? You know, like when they might have had a gun to the man’s head?

Colin Kaepernick kneel because of the injustices of police brutality towards black men and the lack of accountability. That didn’t mean it was something that happened to him.

But I’ll tell you what; when I see what happened to Tamir Rice, I had no doubt that could have just as easily happened to a kid in my family.

How often are you worried that a silly child in your family could be shot by police and get a two week paid administrative leave as a consequence?

2016 police killings of unarmed black men = 16.
2016 police killings of unarmed white men = 22.
2016 black men killing police = 66.
2016 NFL player arrests = 28.
2016 black murder rates of black victims > 6,000.

So, yeah. It's an interesting thing to focus on.

Source for your statistics please.

FBI doesn’t keep track of police killings.

The FBI absolutely does track murder of police officers. Here are some sources for what Colin Kap would probably call "killing the pigs". (I couldn't locate the exact source I used yesterday, but there are plenty of other sources to allow you to come up with similar conclusions.)

Washington Post
CBS News
NLEO Memorial Fund
Officer Down
NY Post
National Review

I also have the Washington Post excel file of all the police killings of citizens. You can download that by going to the WP Fatal Force website. It is eye-opening.

As for BoB homicide and NFL arrests, those are easy to google and get the data.

One thing that struck me as I researched this, is that there were more police officers gunned down in ambushes last year - 21 - than there were unarmed black men killed by police - 16. In fact, cop killings of unarmed blacks were down significantly last year - while murders of cops increased dramatically. There's a solid theory that the BLM protests impacted BOTH of these.

But keep protesting that number, while BoB homicides climb over 7,000.

Notice you didn’t provide your sources of the statistics.

You mentioned having a file and linked to opinion pieces. If you will offer up numbers, please be prepared to back them up.

I guess this is your source.

The problem is the Washington Post isn’t an official number. You mentioned “unarmed” people as if that is the only type that is relevant. And how you gonna say “FBI tracks killed police” know that not only was I talking about police killing people, you referred to that the same as I did in your post (police killing).

You can be disingenuous. But don’t try to play people as fools trying to use manipulated numbers to back your viewpoint without actually being able to support the numbers you provided in the first place.
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(10-13-2017 08:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 02:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-12-2017 01:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-11-2017 09:47 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  So you’re saying you don’t actually understand what the kneeling was all about.

Fine. Just acknowledge it.


Funny how LVPD never released the full video right? You know, like when they might have had a gun to the man’s head?

Colin Kaepernick kneel because of the injustices of police brutality towards black men and the lack of accountability. That didn’t mean it was something that happened to him.

But I’ll tell you what; when I see what happened to Tamir Rice, I had no doubt that could have just as easily happened to a kid in my family.

How often are you worried that a silly child in your family could be shot by police and get a two week paid administrative leave as a consequence?

2016 police killings of unarmed black men = 16.
2016 police killings of unarmed white men = 22.
2016 black men killing police = 66.
2016 NFL player arrests = 28.
2016 black murder rates of black victims > 6,000.

So, yeah. It's an interesting thing to focus on.

Source for your statistics please.

FBI doesn’t keep track of police killings.

The FBI absolutely does track murder of police officers. Here are some sources for what Colin Kap would probably call "killing the pigs". (I couldn't locate the exact source I used yesterday, but there are plenty of other sources to allow you to come up with similar conclusions.)

Washington Post
CBS News
NLEO Memorial Fund
Officer Down
NY Post
National Review

I also have the Washington Post excel file of all the police killings of citizens. You can download that by going to the WP Fatal Force website. It is eye-opening.

As for BoB homicide and NFL arrests, those are easy to google and get the data.

One thing that struck me as I researched this, is that there were more police officers gunned down in ambushes last year - 21 - than there were unarmed black men killed by police - 16. In fact, cop killings of unarmed blacks were down significantly last year - while murders of cops increased dramatically. There's a solid theory that the BLM protests impacted BOTH of these.

But keep protesting that number, while BoB homicides climb over 7,000.

Notice you didn’t provide your sources of the statistics.

You mentioned having a file and linked to opinion pieces. If you will offer up numbers, please be prepared to back them up.

I guess this is your source.

The problem is the Washington Post isn’t an official number. You mentioned “unarmed” people as if that is the only type that is relevant. And how you gonna say “FBI tracks killed police” know that not only was I talking about police killing people, you referred to that the same as I did in your post (police killing).

You can be disingenuous. But don’t try to play people as fools trying to use manipulated numbers to back your viewpoint without actually being able to support the numbers you provided in the first place.

Where is your source for your claim that the FBI does not keep police shooting stats????

From the LIBERAL BIBLE

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/politics/f...index.html

From the OBAMA FBI Director:

San Diego (CNN)FBI Director James Comey told a gathering of police chiefs that people who think there's an epidemic of police shootings of black people aren't well-informed.
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Disgusting that they haven't fired that racist piece of trash yet.
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(10-13-2017 03:01 PM)Tigx Wrote:  But that doesn't fit the narrative. BLM and their ilk can't raise money or get cable tv exposure by playing it straight.

Narrative. You watch the Tamir Rice video and tell me about that narrative.

The one where the prosecutor vilified a 12 year old boy playing with a pellet gun that might have been playing with it irresponsibly earlier in the afternoon, but wasn’t even playing with it when the police car suddenly drove up on him. All the while the shooting officer had the kind of history to say with his emotional and mental issues, he should not have been a police officer. But the prosecutor clear him anyway.

So I don’t know what you think the protests and the outrage is about; but if you think it’s manufactured, then I ask what the hell do you think is to be gained?

Not every issue is political. This isn’t even anti-police as portrayed. Why aren’t you asking why the system of consequences for force isn’t fully vetting the each of these cases with an unbiased perspective? Why are there so few criminal prosecutions for shootings and abuse considering there are thousands of cases each year.
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(10-13-2017 08:24 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 03:01 PM)Tigx Wrote:  But that doesn't fit the narrative. BLM and their ilk can't raise money or get cable tv exposure by playing it straight.

Narrative. You watch the Tamir Rice video and tell me about that narrative.

The one where the prosecutor vilified a 12 year old boy playing with a pellet gun that might have been playing with it irresponsibly earlier in the afternoon, but wasn’t even playing with it when the police car suddenly drove up on him. All the while the shooting officer had the kind of history to say with his emotional and mental issues, he should not have been a police officer. But the prosecutor clear him anyway.

So I don’t know what you think the protests and the outrage is about; but if you think it’s manufactured, then I ask what the hell do you think is to be gained?

Not every issue is political. This isn’t even anti-police as portrayed. Why aren’t you asking why the system of consequences for force isn’t fully vetting the each of these cases with an unbiased perspective? Why are there so few criminal prosecutions for shootings and abuse considering there are thousands of cases each year.

Why are you trying to argue with these people by using logic? They know you're right, they just don't give a sh!t. They are just f*cking with you. You should know that by now. The more you try to convince and educate, the more they deflect. They've been playing mind games with black folks and native americans for hundreds of years. Those who love it aren't gonna stop.

I'll sit back and read the ignorance to follow...

Take care!
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(10-13-2017 08:24 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  
(10-13-2017 03:01 PM)Tigx Wrote:  But that doesn't fit the narrative. BLM and their ilk can't raise money or get cable tv exposure by playing it straight.

Narrative. You watch the Tamir Rice video and tell me about that narrative.

The one where the prosecutor vilified a 12 year old boy playing with a pellet gun that might have been playing with it irresponsibly earlier in the afternoon, but wasn’t even playing with it when the police car suddenly drove up on him. All the while the shooting officer had the kind of history to say with his emotional and mental issues, he should not have been a police officer. But the prosecutor clear him anyway.

Not every issue is political. This isn’t even anti-police as portrayed.

Lat, grand jury proceedings are private, and the case didn't go to trial, so when exactly did the prosecutor vilify Rice? Were you there when the Grand Jury met?

Only fair method is to look at each case. I already said the cop who shot Walter Scott should be convicted. I started the thread in the PR forum saying the cop who shot Philando Castille panicked and was wrong.

Here are the facts the cop had when he made the tragic decision to shoot Rice:
* Rice was big for his age - weighed 195 pounds and was 5' 7" according to his autopsy. Cops didn't know his age.
* Cops were responding to a 911 call saying a man was displaying a gun in a city park.
* While the 911 caller said the gun could be a fake, the dispatcher did not relay that to the cops.
* The gun was no toy, it was a pellet gun that is an exact replica of a real gun. Set them side-by-side and you can't tell them apart.
* The pellet gun when sold is required to have an orange tip at the end of the barrel, so cops know it is not a real gun, but the orange tip had been removed on Rice's gun.
* Again, the grand jury made up of blacks and whites did not even return an indictment, the case never went to trial.

The Rice killing is a tragedy. The dispatcher is at fault, which is why the city paid the family a big settlement.

Could the cops have used more restraint? Sure. I argue on the political board that cops should use tasers and even rubber bullets more, a position that is mocked by many who agree with me most of time. Bottom line it was a split second decision, and not a criminal act.
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Last night after I wrote my post, Comedy Central aired Dave Chappelle’s 2000 Comedy special. Guess the bit that I was reminded of that stood out to me?





You think this issue is a Johnny come lately? This has been at play for generations bruh. It’s a shame such a movement took so long to get national attention.

(10-14-2017 12:11 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Lat, grand jury proceedings are private, and the case didn't go to trial, so when exactly did the prosecutor vilify Rice? Were you there when the Grand Jury met?

A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if that’s what a prosecutor wanted.

If the prosecutor didn’t want the case to go forward, then why would he make a case as good as possible with the grand jury? When I watched the prosecutor in the post grand jury press conference, not only did he sound like he didn’t want to do the case, he also said things with evidence that was a stretch, namely that Tamir Rice reached for the toy gun in the split second that the patrol car surprised him pulling up so quickly, and the office jumped out the car and shot immediately without even giving a warning. That is the most infuriating part of this; that Officer didn’t actually do anything but jump out the car and shoot. He obviously lied about warning the child. But that wasn’t actually really detailed by the prosecutor.

Quote:Here are the facts the cop had when he made the tragic decision to shoot Rice:
* Rice was big for his age - weighed 195 pounds and was 5' 7" according to his autopsy. Cops didn't know his age.

So effing what? This is the problem and you basically acknowledge the relevancy of BLM. Whether he was 12 or 33, him being that size isn’t a death sentence. So he’s fat and a bad ass who was a threat to a cop so he should be shot on sight? Does the same apply to my black family and friends? We are a threat if we aren’t petite if someone calls the police on us for any reason?


Quote:* Cops were responding to a 911 call saying a man was displaying a gun in a city park.
* While the 911 caller said the gun could be a fake, the dispatcher did not relay that to the cops.

Once upon a time, police did police work where they investigated situations and didn’t just react to what they heard on the radio.

Quote:* The gun was no toy, it was a pellet gun that is an exact replica of a real gun. Set them side-by-side and you can't tell them apart.

Still a toy. But the police didn’t give him time or opportunity to explain. Guns aren’t illegal in America. If they thought he was an adult, what happened to questioning him?

Quote:* The pellet gun when sold is required to have an orange tip at the end of the barrel, so cops know it is not a real gun, but the orange tip had been removed on Rice's gun.

The child never actually pointed the toy in a direction where the officers would have seen the tip, so there’s that. They drove up on him when they could have seen it. And the shooter jumped out the car and shot him before they could have seen the tip.

Quote:* Again, the grand jury made up of blacks and whites did not even return an indictment, the case never went to trial.

Again, if the prosecutor doesn’t want the case to go to trial, maybe the prosector sabataged the case.

Quote:The Rice killing is a tragedy. The dispatcher is at fault, which is why the city paid the family a big settlement.

You need to wake up.

They paid the settlement because the police murdered a child. You can live in your Fox News bubble, but the 911 dispatcher wasn’t doing the investigating or checking on the call. Even if they said the gun was fake, the officer who shot the child would have still shot the child. You know why? Because he was a piss poor trigger happy police officer. That is one of the main reasons I am more angry about this case than all the others; this officer obviously effed up but he was protected. He murdered that child in his incompetence and if he went down, it would reflect on the Cleveland PD for hiring him and putting him in that situation to began with.

$6 million was all the Justice needed for the CPD and county prosecutor. Not a criminal case for the irresponsible, murderous officer who is no longer CPD because they got rid of him because he lied on his application. They not only swept this under the rug, they did it in front of everyone’s eyes.

You see, a DA needs police. And the last thing a DA needs is police not helping them do their job because police are pissed that the DA holds them accountable for misconduct in a public way.

Quote:Could the cops have used more restraint? Sure. I argue on the political board that cops should use tasers and even rubber bullets more, a position that is mocked by many who agree with me most of time. Bottom it was a split second decision, and not a criminal act.

Tamir Rice wasn’t a f***ing split second decision! It never got a chance to be! This was a clear cut case of an officer killing a child without so much as a warning or opportunity to let the kid respond by dropping the toy. This was a officer acting like an action hero in a situation that didn’t call for it. The officers were never in danger. There wasn’t anyone in the general public in the immediate area in danger.

And this my friend is the reason there is a “black lives matter” movement. When a person like you can defend all the screw-ups in the Tamir Rice case except the dispatcher when this was an obvious case for criminal charges against the shooting officer even if just negligent homicide or manslaughter because deadly force was never warranted.

And ask yourself, how much did him being a big, black child contributed to the officer’s deadly response?
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RE: ESPN suspends Jemele Hill for two weeks
(10-14-2017 02:04 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Last night after I wrote my post, Comedy Central aired Dave Chappelle’s 2000 Comedy special. Guess the bit that I was reminded of that stood out to me?





You think this issue is a Johnny come lately? This has been at play for generations bruh. It’s a shame such a movement took so long to get national attention.

(10-14-2017 12:11 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Lat, grand jury proceedings are private, and the case didn't go to trial, so when exactly did the prosecutor vilify Rice? Were you there when the Grand Jury met?

A grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if that’s what a prosecutor wanted.

If the prosecutor didn’t want the case to go forward, then why would he make a case as good as possible with the grand jury? When I watched the prosecutor in the post grand jury press conference, not only did he sound like he didn’t want to do the case, he also said things with evidence that was a stretch, namely that Tamir Rice reached for the toy gun in the split second that the patrol car surprised him pulling up so quickly, and the office jumped out the car and shot immediately without even giving a warning. That is the most infuriating part of this; that Officer didn’t actually do anything but jump out the car and shoot. He obviously lied about warning the child. But that wasn’t actually really detailed by the prosecutor.

Quote:Here are the facts the cop had when he made the tragic decision to shoot Rice:
* Rice was big for his age - weighed 195 pounds and was 5' 7" according to his autopsy. Cops didn't know his age.

So effing what? This is the problem and you basically acknowledge the relevancy of BLM. Whether he was 12 or 33, him being that size isn’t a death sentence. So he’s fat and a bad ass who was a threat to a cop so he should be shot on sight? Does the same apply to my black family and friends? We are a threat if we aren’t petite if someone calls the police on us for any reason?


Quote:* Cops were responding to a 911 call saying a man was displaying a gun in a city park.
* While the 911 caller said the gun could be a fake, the dispatcher did not relay that to the cops.

Once upon a time, police did police work where they investigated situations and didn’t just react to what they heard on the radio.

Quote:* The gun was no toy, it was a pellet gun that is an exact replica of a real gun. Set them side-by-side and you can't tell them apart.

Still a toy. But the police didn’t give him time or opportunity to explain. Guns aren’t illegal in America. If they thought he was an adult, what happened to questioning him?

Quote:* The pellet gun when sold is required to have an orange tip at the end of the barrel, so cops know it is not a real gun, but the orange tip had been removed on Rice's gun.

The child never actually pointed the toy in a direction where the officers would have seen the tip, so there’s that. They drove up on him when they could have seen it. And the shooter jumped out the car and shot him before they could have seen the tip.

Quote:* Again, the grand jury made up of blacks and whites did not even return an indictment, the case never went to trial.

Again, if the prosecutor doesn’t want the case to go to trial, maybe the prosector sabataged the case.

Quote:The Rice killing is a tragedy. The dispatcher is at fault, which is why the city paid the family a big settlement.

You need to wake up.

They paid the settlement because the police murdered a child. You can live in your Fox News bubble, but the 911 dispatcher wasn’t doing the investigating or checking on the call. Even if they said the gun was fake, the officer who shot the child would have still shot the child. You know why? Because he was a piss poor trigger happy police officer. That is one of the main reasons I am more angry about this case than all the others; this officer obviously effed up but he was protected. He murdered that child in his incompetence and if he went down, it would reflect on the Cleveland PD for hiring him and putting him in that situation to began with.

$6 million was all the Justice needed for the CPD and county prosecutor. Not a criminal case for the irresponsible, murderous officer who is no longer CPD because they got rid of him because he lied on his application. They not only swept this under the rug, they did it in front of everyone’s eyes.

You see, a DA needs police. And the last thing a DA needs is police not helping them do their job because police are pissed that the DA holds them accountable for misconduct in a public way.

Quote:Could the cops have used more restraint? Sure. I argue on the political board that cops should use tasers and even rubber bullets more, a position that is mocked by many who agree with me most of time. Bottom it was a split second decision, and not a criminal act.

Tamir Rice wasn’t a f***ing split second decision! It never got a chance to be! This was a clear cut case of an officer killing a child without so much as a warning or opportunity to let the kid respond by dropping the toy. This was a officer acting like an action hero in a situation that didn’t call for it. The officers were never in danger. There wasn’t anyone in the general public in the immediate area in danger.

And this my friend is the reason there is a “black lives matter” movement. When a person like you can defend all the screw-ups in the Tamir Rice case except the dispatcher when this was an obvious case for criminal charges against the shooting officer even if just negligent homicide or manslaughter because deadly force was never warranted.

And ask yourself, how much did him being a big, black child contributed to the officer’s deadly response?

Police pull up to scene they only have split seconds to decide what to do based on the information they have at the time.

Do they stop and ask them selves i wonder if that is a toy gun with the orange tip pulled off. I wonder if that is an over grown kid who looks older than he actually is. Or do they stop and ask themselves should i use a tazer or a bean bag to stop this guy who is armed with what may be a real gun.

Guess what happens THEY ARE DEAD if it turns out that it is a real gun and the guy is out for no good.

You can sit safely behind a keyboard and play what if all night and your decisions has no effect. But they only have seconds to decide if the situation they come upon is a real deadly situation or just a misunderstanding.

Tell you what would help if kids today would be taught to LISTEN to the instructions of Cops instead of automatically being confrontational or ignoring the instructions. If they did 99% of these incidents could be prevented.

You can play what if all you want, but me personally i had to watch a family member in uniform buried long before his time because he waited too long to try and consider if the situation actually was deadly or not.

And since i have other family members in uniform i remind them it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

I already have one family member on the law enforcement memorial page i sure as hell do not want a second.

And no it is NOT a Johnny come lately issue. Seems that people such as yourself have been pushing the false premise for many decades. A false premise which the actually data does not support. Repeating the false claim for years and years does not make it true. It just creates a paranoia in the community and creates more situations which unfortunate acts could occur. A self fulfilling prophecy.
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(10-15-2017 02:51 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Police pull up to scene they only have split seconds to decide what to do based on the information they have at the time.

Do they stop and ask them selves i wonder if that is a toy gun with the orange tip pulled off. I wonder if that is an over grown kid who looks older than he actually is. Or do they stop and ask themselves should i use a tazer or a bean bag to stop this guy who is armed with what may be a real gun.

Guess what happens THEY ARE DEAD if it turns out that it is a real gun and the guy is out for no good.

And when that cop is dead, and the alleged murderer is captured, what’s the chances that person is going to be let off with a two week paid leave from their job and no criminal charges?

Whereas when the cop makes a mistake and the person IS DEAD, it’s no big deal, right?

Quote:You can sit safely behind a keyboard and play what if all night and your decisions has no effect. But they only have seconds to decide if the situation they come upon is a real deadly situation or just a misunderstanding.

While your dumb*** is sitting behind a keyboard writing this.

Quote:Tell you what would help if kids today would be taught to LISTEN to the instructions of Cops instead of automatically being confrontational or ignoring the instructions. If they did 99% of these incidents could be prevented.

Tamir Rice didn’t get instructions. The cop shot him as soon as he got out of the car. If you would READ the posts you quote, you would comprehend that this line of thinking isn’t always the case.

Quote:You can play what if all you want, but me personally i had to watch a family member in uniform buried long before his time because he waited too long to try and consider if the situation actually was deadly or not.

Fortunately I haven’t have a family or friend police officer killed on the job. I also haven’t personally known someone killed by police. But I was once a kid when an on-duty Officer harrassed my mom trying to hit on her when she didn’t have interest and unknowing to the officer my grandfather was across the street witnessing the whole affair and when he confronted the officer for harassing my mom, the officer and others jumped on my grandfather and threw him in jail. My mom had to bail my granddad out; the officer who behaved inappropriately had no repercussions. That’s not a life or death situation; but little stuff like that is the issue. If demanding some sort of consequence for police doing wrong is basically out of order as far as you are concerned because of the inherent danger in the job?

Quote:And since i have other family members in uniform i remind them it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

They aren’t getting judged by 12 though. That’s the issue race mane.

Quote:And no it is NOT a Johnny come lately issue. Seems that people such as yourself have been pushing the false premise for many decades. A false premise which the actually data does not support. Repeating the false claim for years and years does not make it true. It just creates a paranoia in the community and creates more situations which unfortunate acts could occur. A self fulfilling prophecy.

This is you crossing lines. It’s not a false pretense because you disagree. You are talking statistics and i’m talking life experience and what has happened. Don’t tell me Tamir Rice’s life is only worth $6 million but not punishment for the inept cop who murdered him. Let’s let a cop kill one of your loved ones because they were ill prepared, or emotionally unstable and they get investigated by IA and the DA but cleared despite lying about what happened and not actually being in actual danger if they followed proper police protocols.
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