(10-12-2017 04:05 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:44 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  But why should the local officials look into that when they have murders and rapes and drug cartels and organized crime?

Local depts look into car thefts all the time. Not sure what your point is, so encourage you to reword and be more forthcoming/to the point.

And the FBI looks into fraud and bribery all the time not sure what your point is, so I encourage you to rethink your stance.

The FBI focuses its limited resources on the big, high dollar cases, as it should. Likewise, a car theft is a big deal to a local police dept, so definitely something they'd allocate some of their limited resources toward investigating.

This case clearly doesn't fit that bill for the FBI. But they took it on knowing it would be big PR and get a lot of clicks. Essentially, the same thing as "fake news".

Depends on your idea of local. In NYC car theft isn't a big deal. The FBis resources aren't that limited. They have a division for organized crime, and one for murder and one for fraud and many others.

They go after whiet collar crime all the time, just because your idea of the FBI is from TV shows and movies doesn't mean it's an accurate portrayal of what the entire FBI does. They don't just focus on "big high dollar cases" they focus on federal crimes that aren't the jurisdiction of local authorities. Look up the FBI and their budget (8.3 BILLION) to get a better understanding on the tpoic.

I didn't say they don't go after white collar crime. They obviously do, and they certainly should. I also didn't claim that they don't go after crimes with lower dollar amounts, or lower "magnitudes" of crime being committed.

Their resources aren't unlimited, so by definition they are limited and must make decisions about which cases to pursue.

I said they should focus their limited resources on the cases of highest magnitude crime. That didn't happen here. They went for a PR stunt.

(10-12-2017 04:29 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 04:05 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:56 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:49 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 02:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Local depts look into car thefts all the time. Not sure what your point is, so encourage you to reword and be more forthcoming/to the point.

And the FBI looks into fraud and bribery all the time not sure what your point is, so I encourage you to rethink your stance.

The FBI focuses its limited resources on the big, high dollar cases, as it should. Likewise, a car theft is a big deal to a local police dept, so definitely something they'd allocate some of their limited resources toward investigating.

This case clearly doesn't fit that bill for the FBI. But they took it on knowing it would be big PR and get a lot of clicks. Essentially, the same thing as "fake news".

Depends on your idea of local. In NYC car theft isn't a big deal. The FBis resources aren't that limited. They have a division for organized crime, and one for murder and one for fraud and many others.

They go after whiet collar crime all the time, just because your idea of the FBI is from TV shows and movies doesn't mean it's an accurate portrayal of what the entire FBI does. They don't just focus on "big high dollar cases" they focus on federal crimes that aren't the jurisdiction of local authorities. Look up the FBI and their budget (8.3 BILLION) to get a better understanding on the tpoic.

I didn't say they don't go after white collar crime. They obviously do, and they certainly should. I also didn't claim that they don't go after crimes with lower dollar amounts, or lower "magnitudes" of crime being committed.

Their resources aren't unlimited, so by definition they are limited and must make decisions about which cases to pursue.

I said they should focus their limited resources on the cases of highest magnitude crime. That didn't happen here. They went for a PR stunt.

In YOUR opinion it's a PR stunt. Im sure to the people facing jail time is sure as hell isn't.

Yes, by definition their resources are limited but saying they are misusing their limited resources makes it sound like they are wasting money that could go to other more important cases. 8.2 BILLION isn't limited resources.

I get it, to you no one should ever get in trouble for sports even when they break the law. Cool outlook, but the real world works differently.

Once again, it's not a PR stunt because YOU think it is. It's a real accusation that could put real people in real jail for real years.

(10-12-2017 03:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  TerryD, the NCAA is a sheet show and this NCAA Committee and FBI investigations are no more than a “Harvey Weinstein”.

It’s not about finding out who’s hands are dirty, it’s about showing who’s hands are clean.

NCAA have rolled out Coach K to be the face of clean. I’m sure all those nasty aau people will be caught and the corrupt high school programs **** down.

Meanwhile you have Condi Rice and ND PResident as the face of the NCAA Committee.

It’s a sheet show.

Everyone knew what has been going on for years.

Yup, once again all a conspiracy to get UofL. The FBI is out to get the Cards because UK somehow and Coach K is in on it too!

Just my speculation on how things will go and you can see it being built before your eyes. FBI says shoe companies and AAU are dirty. NCAA says they will investigate and put Condi and a Priest as face of Committee (who’s going to rough that pair up?). Coaches of “name” programs start a narrative that players need to be paid and they aren’t dirty but subject to dirty AAU and mean ol’ NBA won’t take these risky kids right out of Highschool. Media will pound this narrative because March Madness is worth so much to their industry.
End of the day, NCAA has no culpability even though this stuff has been goi g on for long long time and everyone knew. Name coaches and programs off the hook. The media extols the virtue of the Committee and everyone goes back to business as usual.

(10-12-2017 05:20 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  TerryD, the NCAA is a sheet show and this NCAA Committee and FBI investigations are no more than a “Harvey Weinstein”.

It’s not about finding out who’s hands are dirty, it’s about showing who’s hands are clean.

NCAA have rolled out Coach K to be the face of clean. I’m sure all those nasty aau people will be caught and the corrupt high school programs **** down.

Meanwhile you have Condi Rice and ND PResident as the face of the NCAA Committee.

It’s a sheet show.

Everyone knew what has been going on for years.

Yup, once again all a conspiracy to get UofL. The FBI is out to get the Cards because UK somehow and Coach K is in on it too!

Just my speculation on how things will go and you can see it being built before your eyes. FBI says shoe companies and AAU are dirty. NCAA says they will investigate and put Condi and a Priest as face of Committee (who’s going to rough that pair up?). Coaches of “name” programs start a narrative that players need to be paid and they aren’t dirty but subject to dirty AAU and mean ol’ NBA won’t take these risky kids right out of Highschool. Media will pound this narrative because March Madness is worth so much to their industry.
End of the day, NCAA has no culpability even though this stuff has been goi g on for long long time and everyone knew. Name coaches and programs off the hook. The media extols the virtue of the Committee and everyone goes back to business as usual.

TLDR it's everyone's fault but Louisville. Got it.

(10-12-2017 05:26 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 05:20 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  TerryD, the NCAA is a sheet show and this NCAA Committee and FBI investigations are no more than a “Harvey Weinstein”.

It’s not about finding out who’s hands are dirty, it’s about showing who’s hands are clean.

NCAA have rolled out Coach K to be the face of clean. I’m sure all those nasty aau people will be caught and the corrupt high school programs **** down.

Meanwhile you have Condi Rice and ND PResident as the face of the NCAA Committee.

It’s a sheet show.

Everyone knew what has been going on for years.

Yup, once again all a conspiracy to get UofL. The FBI is out to get the Cards because UK somehow and Coach K is in on it too!

Just my speculation on how things will go and you can see it being built before your eyes. FBI says shoe companies and AAU are dirty. NCAA says they will investigate and put Condi and a Priest as face of Committee (who’s going to rough that pair up?). Coaches of “name” programs start a narrative that players need to be paid and they aren’t dirty but subject to dirty AAU and mean ol’ NBA won’t take these risky kids right out of Highschool. Media will pound this narrative because March Madness is worth so much to their industry.
End of the day, NCAA has no culpability even though this stuff has been goi g on for long long time and everyone knew. Name coaches and programs off the hook. The media extols the virtue of the Committee and everyone goes back to business as usual.

TLDR it's everyone's fault but Louisville. Got it.

According to the FBI, the University of Louisville has done nothing wrong at all.

(10-12-2017 05:42 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 05:26 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 05:20 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  TerryD, the NCAA is a sheet show and this NCAA Committee and FBI investigations are no more than a “Harvey Weinstein”.

It’s not about finding out who’s hands are dirty, it’s about showing who’s hands are clean.

NCAA have rolled out Coach K to be the face of clean. I’m sure all those nasty aau people will be caught and the corrupt high school programs **** down.

Meanwhile you have Condi Rice and ND PResident as the face of the NCAA Committee.

It’s a sheet show.

Everyone knew what has been going on for years.

Yup, once again all a conspiracy to get UofL. The FBI is out to get the Cards because UK somehow and Coach K is in on it too!

Just my speculation on how things will go and you can see it being built before your eyes. FBI says shoe companies and AAU are dirty. NCAA says they will investigate and put Condi and a Priest as face of Committee (who’s going to rough that pair up?). Coaches of “name” programs start a narrative that players need to be paid and they aren’t dirty but subject to dirty AAU and mean ol’ NBA won’t take these risky kids right out of Highschool. Media will pound this narrative because March Madness is worth so much to their industry.
End of the day, NCAA has no culpability even though this stuff has been goi g on for long long time and everyone knew. Name coaches and programs off the hook. The media extols the virtue of the Committee and everyone goes back to business as usual.

TLDR it's everyone's fault but Louisville. Got it.

According to the FBI, the University of Louisville has done nothing wrong at all.

Thats not what the FBI said at all and this jyst came out.

Quote:Two people involved in the case, who spoke on the condition they not be identified because of the ongoing legal proceedings, said they expect more college coaches and others involved with grassroots basketball programs to be charged later this month.

“This is the tip of the iceberg,” one of them said.

One former high-major college coach who retains deep connections in the business said he believes the case will lead to 40 to 50 job openings for head and assistant coaches by the spring.

Already, some coaches at schools not linked to the first round of charges have retained attorneys. A sense of unease permeates the sport during a time usually filled with optimism because the season opens next month.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...story.html

(10-12-2017 03:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  TerryD, the NCAA is a sheet show and this NCAA Committee and FBI investigations are no more than a “Harvey Weinstein”.

It’s not about finding out who’s hands are dirty, it’s about showing who’s hands are clean.

NCAA have rolled out Coach K to be the face of clean. I’m sure all those nasty aau people will be caught and the corrupt high school programs **** down.

Meanwhile you have Condi Rice and ND PResident as the face of the NCAA Committee.

It’s a sheet show.

Everyone knew what has been going on for years.

I'll just sit back and let the FBI cull the herd of cheaters, bribers and frauds.

The conspiracy theories will fall with the numerous indictments coming up.

(10-12-2017 06:25 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 05:42 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 05:26 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 05:20 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:50 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Yup, once again all a conspiracy to get UofL. The FBI is out to get the Cards because UK somehow and Coach K is in on it too!

Just my speculation on how things will go and you can see it being built before your eyes. FBI says shoe companies and AAU are dirty. NCAA says they will investigate and put Condi and a Priest as face of Committee (who’s going to rough that pair up?). Coaches of “name” programs start a narrative that players need to be paid and they aren’t dirty but subject to dirty AAU and mean ol’ NBA won’t take these risky kids right out of Highschool. Media will pound this narrative because March Madness is worth so much to their industry.
End of the day, NCAA has no culpability even though this stuff has been goi g on for long long time and everyone knew. Name coaches and programs off the hook. The media extols the virtue of the Committee and everyone goes back to business as usual.

TLDR it's everyone's fault but Louisville. Got it.

According to the FBI, the University of Louisville has done nothing wrong at all.

Thats not what the FBI said at all and this jyst came out.

Quote:Two people involved in the case, who spoke on the condition they not be identified because of the ongoing legal proceedings, said they expect more college coaches and others involved with grassroots basketball programs to be charged later this month.

“This is the tip of the iceberg,” one of them said.

One former high-major college coach who retains deep connections in the business said he believes the case will lead to 40 to 50 job openings for head and assistant coaches by the spring.

Already, some coaches at schools not linked to the first round of charges have retained attorneys. A sense of unease permeates the sport during a time usually filled with optimism because the season opens next month.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...story.html

So the FBI is leaking information? Or is this just narrative support?

(10-13-2017 07:43 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  TerryD, the NCAA is a sheet show and this NCAA Committee and FBI investigations are no more than a “Harvey Weinstein”.

It’s not about finding out who’s hands are dirty, it’s about showing who’s hands are clean.

NCAA have rolled out Coach K to be the face of clean. I’m sure all those nasty aau people will be caught and the corrupt high school programs **** down.

Meanwhile you have Condi Rice and ND PResident as the face of the NCAA Committee.

It’s a sheet show.

Everyone knew what has been going on for years.

I'll just sit back and let the FBI cull the herd of cheaters, bribers and frauds.

The conspiracy theories will fall with the numerous indictments coming up.

I have no doubt that “some” people will receive indictments.

And there you have it!


Thank you UNC!


These truly are the Wonder Years!

(10-13-2017 09:35 AM)Dasville Wrote:  And there you have it!


Thank you UNC!


These truly are the Wonder Years!

As far as I know, UNC is not on tape offering $100,000 bribes to potential players.

No allegations of wire fraud, mail fraud, bribery and tax evasion exist in UNC's case.

You are comparing apples to hand grenades.

(10-13-2017 11:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:35 AM)Dasville Wrote:  And there you have it!


Thank you UNC!


These truly are the Wonder Years!

As far as I know, UNC is not on tape offering $100,000 bribes to potential players.

No allegations of wire fraud, mail fraud, bribery and tax evasion exist in UNC's case.

You are comparing apples to hand grenades.

IMO, from the standpoint of college athletics, what UNC did was worse. UL, et al broke rules by paying players. UNC didn't even try to pretend their athletes were students.

It undermines the whole purpose of having college teams. There's really no purpose.

(10-13-2017 11:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:35 AM)Dasville Wrote:  And there you have it!


Thank you UNC!


These truly are the Wonder Years!

As far as I know, UNC is not on tape offering $100,000 bribes to potential players.

No allegations of wire fraud, mail fraud, bribery and tax evasion exist in UNC's case.

You are comparing apples to hand grenades.

I'm glad you didn't mention UofL by name either TerryD because the FBI sure didn't.

(10-13-2017 11:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 11:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:35 AM)Dasville Wrote:  And there you have it!


Thank you UNC!


These truly are the Wonder Years!

As far as I know, UNC is not on tape offering $100,000 bribes to potential players.

No allegations of wire fraud, mail fraud, bribery and tax evasion exist in UNC's case.

You are comparing apples to hand grenades.

IMO, from the standpoint of college athletics, what UNC did was worse. UL, et al broke rules by paying players. UNC didn't even try to pretend their athletes were students.

It undermines the whole purpose of having college teams. There's really no purpose.

I will make the case that will be made........"It wasn't us, it was the shoe Co and AAU"

(10-13-2017 11:13 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 11:04 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:35 AM)Dasville Wrote:  And there you have it!


Thank you UNC!


These truly are the Wonder Years!

As far as I know, UNC is not on tape offering $100,000 bribes to potential players.

No allegations of wire fraud, mail fraud, bribery and tax evasion exist in UNC's case.

You are comparing apples to hand grenades.

I'm glad you didn't mention UofL by name either TerryD because the FBI sure didn't.

They didn't mention anyone by name but by # and we know #6 was Louisville since Louisville said so themselves.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/fbi-sting-h...rosshairs/

Quote:The FBI complaint includes payments totaling $100,000 to an unnamed recruit by an unnamed school. The facts in the complaint make it clear that the school is Louisville and the recruit, according to multiple reports, is five-star prospect Brian Bowen, who committed to play for Rick Pitino and the Cardinals in June.

ESPN sources confirmed that “School 6” in the complaint is Louisville, and the school later confirmed it with an official statement.

(10-11-2017 01:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is a run of the mill FBI investigation into bribery, wire fraud, mail fraud and tax evasion.

The fact that it involves college athletics is irrelevant to this investigation. This is no different than any other white collar crime investigation.

The Feds don't care about the NCAA, individual schools, players, coaches or AD's.

They care about uncovering evidence of crimes and obtaining convictions.

While I generally agree that the FBI is interested in this as a criminal case, FBI agents aren't robots. They're mostly college-educated men, and many of them probably care about college sports.

I'll bet a lot of FBI agents are just as ticked most of us are at the frauds in college sports. If they have to choose between devoting resources to a $100,000 multistate bribery involving college basketball, or a $500,000 multistate bribery involving a big shipping company (or real estate, or accounting, or pretty much anything else), I think they'll choose the sports scandal.

(10-16-2017 11:53 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 01:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is a run of the mill FBI investigation into bribery, wire fraud, mail fraud and tax evasion.

The fact that it involves college athletics is irrelevant to this investigation. This is no different than any other white collar crime investigation.

The Feds don't care about the NCAA, individual schools, players, coaches or AD's.

They care about uncovering evidence of crimes and obtaining convictions.

While I generally agree that the FBI is interested in this as a criminal case, FBI agents aren't robots. They're mostly college-educated men, and many of them probably care about college sports.

I'll bet a lot of FBI agents are just as ticked most of us are at the frauds in college sports. If they have to choose between devoting resources to a $100,000 multistate bribery involving college basketball, or a $500,000 multistate bribery involving a big shipping company (or real estate, or accounting, or pretty much anything else), I think they'll choose the sports scandal.

Agreed!

Unfortunately, these FBI agents will be picked apart. One tweet or post on some obscure message board will taint the whole investigation. Day by day the FBI is being proven to be partisan on many levels.

Even the highest one.

Damn sham.