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Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
(10-17-2017 07:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(10-16-2017 03:50 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I'm still salty about that 2013 season.

South Carolina finished 9th and had 3 teams that we beat (Missouri and UCF on the road, Clemson at home) go to nicer bowls while we got Capital One again. Ended up finishing 4th, but still stinks.

Not only did they go to nicer bowls, they won them. South Carolina beat the Cotton, Fiesta, and Orange Bowl champions that year, and won the Cap One bowl.

Unfortunately, you laid an egg against a bad Tennessee team that year, which cost you the SEC East and a chance to play for the national title.

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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
The Big 12 should take USF & UCF today.
10-17-2017 12:19 PM
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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
(10-08-2017 04:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If USF and UCF continue to sustain success does it make them any more attractive for P5 membership? If the Big 12 somehow continues beyond the expiration of their GOR do they get in as a pair? They bring a pair of nice Florida markets and rich recruiting and could either be put with the 4 Texas schools for a division, creating the opportunity for a a Texas-Oklahoma rematch for a title. Or they could be matched with WVU and the 3 prairie schools.

In order to get an upgrade, you really need to show consistent high level P5 compatibility.

Lets look at USF's resume. They are 6-0, but the teams they've beaten are 6-26 vs FBS. 8-2 vs FCS. Last year they went 11-2, but only beat 3 teams with winning records (best win - over 2 G5 teams with 5 losses). There's not a lot going back beyond the last 5 years to hang one's hat on either. They're not dominating the AAC much less the G5.

And then there's UCF. By the way, they should be the higher ranked team. A legit good win versus Memphis and a good one versus Maryland. Neither of those will get you to the P5 though. In 2016, they finished with a losing record. 2015, they were winless. 2014, Good year for the G5, but went 0-3 vs P5 teams. 2013, Legit P5 candidate season. 2012, 0-2 vs P5 teams.

UCF has had one legit statement year recently. But followed it up with some truly awful play. And they've done that several times. But if you're looking at TCU or Louisville, UCF doesn't really meet that standard.
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(10-17-2017 12:19 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The Big 12 should take USF & UCF today.

I agree. I'd make it 4 actually and take Cincinnati and Memphis as well.

It would be a PR hit initially and everyone would bewriting the eulogies of the Big 12, but those four schools all have the potential to grow into strong P5 programs.
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Not sure how accurate this is, because some sports writers sometimes convey conflicting interpretations of events. It sounded as if Houston and BYU were the two that came closest to receiving B12 invitations the prior year when the B12 was entertaining applicants and others of interest. Houston seemed obvious, but would be a compromise based on a plausible #12 that would not be so keen with those non-Texas schools with reservations about Houston. Obviously, politics was at play, pro and con. BYU apparently brought most to the table, but the backlash about BYU's controversial Honor Code and other policies whereby they refused to compromise, essentially ended the initiative. UCONN looked appealing, but distance/logistics was seen as a big obstacle.
Memphis, Cincy, UCF, and USF, didn't seem to get much support within the B12, perhaps with some exception from WVU. All this seemed to happen right before ESPN and Fox expressed more public dissatisfaction with the potential expansion, followed by the agreement to embrace further the status quo.

I can understand the frustration of schools such as USF and UCF in their desire to move to the P5. But frankly, expecting the B12 to make an expansion move before 2023-25, is too much wishful thinking. Maybe missing the 4-team playoffs for a couple more years shall spur something, but that is far from assured. If OU and 1 to 4 others leave the B12 in 6 or 7 years when their GoR expires, then that sets in motion all kinds of scenarios.
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