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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
IF UCF & USF are both undefeated when they meet on 11/24
It would B HUGE for both the AAC & both schools P5 hopes

It would B the latest meeting of 2 undefeated teams
to meet in a regular season game in perhaps 30-40 years.

The PR would B HUGE
The build up would B HUGE
The winner would B ‘heavily’ considered as the 1st G5 candidate to qualify for the 4 team playoff
(even though in the current format, it will never happen)

Being located in the recruiting hot bed in the state of Florida
Located in large coastal areas of northern Florida
Located in desirable vacation destinations
Located in 2 Top 20 TV markets
Would it help either schools P5 chances?
It sure won’t hurt!
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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
(10-08-2017 08:21 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  IF UCF & USF are both undefeated when they meet on 11/24
It would B HUGE for both the AAC & both schools P5 hopes

It would B the latest meeting of 2 undefeated teams
to meet in a regular season game in perhaps 30-40 years.

The PR would B HUGE
The build up would B HUGE
The winner would B ‘heavily’ considered as the 1st G5 candidate to qualify for the 4 team playoff
(even though in the current format, it will never happen)

Being located in the recruiting hot bed in the state of Florida
Located in large coastal areas of northern Florida
Located in desirable vacation destinations
Located in 2 Top 20 TV markets
Would it help either schools P5 chances?
It sure won’t hurt!

Only way to even be considered a possibility for the playoff is if 3 of the 4 top P5 teams have 3 losses or more........... not gonna happen.
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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
(10-08-2017 04:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If USF and UCF continue to sustain success

In the 9 seasons before receiving a Big 12 invitation, TCU won a total of 92 football games.

That is sustained success. It's way too early to talk about sustained success in year one of what a team hopes will be a long run.
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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
(10-08-2017 06:56 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  In short, yes - but there is still plenty of time during the season for things to change. Both teams are winning on the field, but there isn't enough data to see a trend for each program's respective attendance. USF has only had two FBS home games (Illinois/Temple), with Illinois getting over 35k and Temple just getting 24k. UCF, on the other hand, has only had Memphis (34k) and FIU (38k). With those two figures alone, the only program that they would outdraw in the Big 12 would be Kansas. If UCF can start selling out their stadium consistently, that would go a long way towards legitimizing their candidacy for a P5. USF is definitely more challenging because they play at Raymond James. Other than Miami and Florida State, I don't think they have gotten any home game over 45k in recent years there.

I just don't see how politics would allow either program into the ACC or SEC unless there were mass defections.

It's about scheduling and having a chance to make the playoffs. When USF was in the BE they drew 60k+ many times because they were playing relevant teams with huge impacts for the winner. Nobody really gives a crap about playing the Tulsa's of the world for a possible invite to a junk bowl game that means nothing. Put USF or UCF in the SEC playing those teams every week and attendance would never be a problem. At least USF has proven that to be factual.
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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
It's not the P5, though. PAC and Big Ten never would. And the ACC and SEC for all intents and purposes can't. So that means we're really only talking about the Big 12. Not saying they aren't P5, of course.

Will the Big 12 add USF/UCF? In my opinion, no I don't think they will.
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(10-08-2017 05:15 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  It might when they play real teams.


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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
UCF's coach will b snatched up by a p5 school before any p5 movement happens.
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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
(10-08-2017 07:03 PM)otown Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 06:56 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  In short, yes - but there is still plenty of time during the season for things to change. Both teams are winning on the field, but there isn't enough data to see a trend for each program's respective attendance. USF has only had two FBS home games (Illinois/Temple), with Illinois getting over 35k and Temple just getting 24k. UCF, on the other hand, has only had Memphis (34k) and FIU (38k). With those two figures alone, the only program that they would outdraw in the Big 12 would be Kansas. If UCF can start selling out their stadium consistently, that would go a long way towards legitimizing their candidacy for a P5. USF is definitely more challenging because they play at Raymond James. Other than Miami and Florida State, I don't think they have gotten any home game over 45k in recent years there.

I just don't see how politics would allow either program into the ACC or SEC unless there were mass defections.

So they draw 38k for a pitiful FIU, and draw 34k for a memphis rescheduled game with rain in the forecast......... are you really gonna tell me with a strait face that you would have concerns about their attendance with a P5 conference schedule?

Syracuse gets around 30,000 (announced, actual is much less) for games to the Carrier Dome, and that didn't stop them, or Pitt, whose attendance isn't much better, from achieving an ACC invite. There are other examples of lower "P5" attendance.

But here's the thing. If USF/UCF were invited to say, the Big 12, they would instantly average around 45K to games, possibly 50-55K.

How do I know this, you ask? How can I make such a bold statement, with no facts to back it up? Do I live in a fantasyland?

Why, you ask? BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAPPENED. It is all about opponents. In somewhat fickle fan bases such as USF and UCF, the opponent helps boost attendance. When USF played in the Big EAST, they routinely averaged 45-53K per season. This was playing the likes of West Virginia, Pitt, Louisville, Rutgers, and Syracuse. Then, (no offense to Tulane and Tulsa), once USF was relegated to what the fan base perceived as lesser opponents (again, no offense, I know they really aren't lesser) such as Tulsa and Tulane, attendance dropped significantly.

It has already happened once, for years. If USF/UCF were in a so called P conf. attendance would spike significantly.

Just as if you dropped "TEAM X" (I won't name names) from the Big 12 or ACC into CUSA. Guess what would happen. Attendance would DROP. This is a fact.
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(10-08-2017 09:33 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It's not the P5, though. PAC and Big Ten never would. And the ACC and SEC for all intents and purposes can't. So that means we're really only talking about the Big 12. Not saying they aren't P5, of course.

Will the Big 12 add USF/UCF? In my opinion, no I don't think they will.

Then the Big 12 would be very short sighted and not thinking about the long term (next 20+ years), and the benefit to adding them.
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RE: Does this season's success make UCF/USF more attractive to the P5?
(10-08-2017 10:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 09:33 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It's not the P5, though. PAC and Big Ten never would. And the ACC and SEC for all intents and purposes can't. So that means we're really only talking about the Big 12. Not saying they aren't P5, of course.

Will the Big 12 add USF/UCF? In my opinion, no I don't think they will.

Then the Big 12 would be very short sighted and not thinking about the long term (next 20+ years), and the benefit to adding them.

If you want to gain the interest of a P conference and the fans won't turn out for your present competition there is one option that might help to gain attention anyway. Build your Athletic Endowment to a level that sustains enough scholarships for the required minor sports that conferences like the SEC and ACC sponsor so that the endowment shows the level of fan support even if they don't show up to the current events in sufficient numbers. Attendance and endowment are both indicative of the kind of base of support the major conferences are looking for.
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