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Wanted for the murder/sporticide of Rice football -

Joe Kalgaard and David Bailiff.

Be on the look out for this notorious duo. They are extremely dangerous for football programs.

Identifying characteristics: yukking it up with heavy hitters who assist their efforts.
singing Chairman of the Board's song - Give me just a little more
time - sung by Bailiff
singing Sonny and Cher's - I've got you ( JK to dB)
yelling frequently - We turned the corner

If you see either, run and hide your football program from them. They are extremely toxic.
10-08-2017 10:18 AM
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I actually still think JK would make a good hire.
But like Bailiff, he holds on to failed football coaches far too long. Given what has happened with football, in retrospect it is almost remarkable that he did not extend Coach Braun. Why be bold in basketball and gutless in football?
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Because Braun coached at Cal?
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(10-08-2017 10:38 AM)RiceBull Wrote:  Because Braun coached at Cal?

With all the players bailing, it had become apparent that Braun had lost control over the program and it was in freefall. While football is in free fall, DB does not have players bailing, and it is not as obvious that the program is deteriorating.
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(10-08-2017 11:15 AM)Ranger Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 10:38 AM)RiceBull Wrote:  Because Braun coached at Cal?

With all the players bailing, it had become apparent that Braun had lost control over the program and it was in freefall. While football is in free fall, DB does not have players bailing, and it is not as obvious that the program is deteriorating.

Would an organized boycott of the next home game help to make it obvious? Or maybe the Homecoming game, where instead of entering the stadium we carried signs calling for the twin firings of JK and Bailiff?
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(10-08-2017 10:18 AM)Ranger Wrote:  Wanted for the murder/sporticide of Rice football -

Joe Kalgaard and David Bailiff.

Be on the look out for this notorious duo. They are extremely dangerous for football programs.

Identifying characteristics: yukking it up with heavy hitters who assist their efforts.
singing Chairman of the Board's song - Give me just a little more
time - sung by Bailiff
singing Sonny and Cher's - I've got you ( JK to dB)
yelling frequently - We turned the corner

If you see either, run and hide your football program from them. They are extremely toxic.

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I am not as hard on JK as some of you are, primarily because I don't know the range of options open to him.

As far as the big donors calling the shots, JK is the AD, not the football coach. Keeping the heavy hitters happy is far closer to his job description than winning football games. If he were going to fire Bailiff, he would have needed to fund the buyout. His options would seem to have been the BOT or the big donors. If the big donors were in DB's camp, as they seem to be, and also represented on the BOT, as again they seem to be, then he had no way to do it. This year, IIRC, DB's contract has run its course. Now he's in a different position. He's going to need to hire someone to coach Rice football next year, regardless. If he decides to rehire DB, then he needs to go. But if he decides to go another direction, I'm going to withhold judgement until we see where that leads us.

I'm not going to criticize him for not taking an action that was not his to take. But this year he should not have those restrictions, so what he does with this mess now is fair game.

He has disappointed me in one area. To this point he has been far more manager than leader. Coming from Stanford, I expected someone who was more of a visionary leader. Stanford clearly has a vision, and they execute it well. I would like for Rice to have the same vision. I am struck by the irony that the man whom many believe led Rice astray in athletics, Kenneth Sanborn Pitzer, left the presidency of Rice to take the same position at Stanford, where a vastly different decision was taken. I really wish I understood more about that whole process. I was here when it happened, and certainly very critical of the hiring of Bo Hagan as football coach and AD. But how Stanford reached such a different decision under the same man as president would be something I wish I knew more about. One thing I do know is that he served only two years as president of Stanford, and was preceded by Wallace Sterling and succeeded by Richard Lyman, both of whom seem to have been fairly friendly to athletics, so maybe that factored into his short tenure there. I really don't know the dynamics, but would be interested. Almaden Mike or anyone else who has any insight, I'd really be interested.

ETA: By the way, just to be clear, if we were to win out, including a bowl win, I would still feel the same way. I'm not worried, because with Bailiff coaching we are not going to. But even if we did, it wouldn't change 2007 or 2009-2011 or 2015-2016. And enough is more than enough.
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(10-08-2017 01:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I am not as hard on JK as some of you are, primarily because I don't know the range of options open to him.

As far as the big donors calling the shots, JK is the AD, not the football coach. Keeping the heavy hitters happy is far closer to his job description than winning football games. If he were going to fire Bailiff, he would have needed to fund the buyout. His options would seem to have been the BOT or the big donors. If the big donors were in DB's camp, as they seem to be, and also represented on the BOT, as again they seem to be, then he had no way to do it. This year, IIRC, DB's contract has run its course. Now he's in a different position. He's going to need to hire someone to coach Rice football next year, regardless. If he decides to rehire DB, then he needs to go. But if he decides to go another direction, I'm going to withhold judgement until we see where that leads us.

I'm not going to criticize him for not taking an action that was not his to take. But this year he should not have those restrictions, so what he does with this mess now is fair game.

He has disappointed me in one area. To this point he has been far more manager than leader. Coming from Stanford, I expected someone who was more of a visionary leader. Stanford clearly has a vision, and they execute it well. I would like for Rice to have the same vision. I am struck by the irony that the man whom many believe led Rice astray in athletics, Kenneth Sanborn Pitzer, left the presidency of Rice to take the same position at Stanford, where a vastly different decision was taken. I really wish I understood more about that whole process. I was here when it happened, and certainly very critical of the hiring of Bo Hagan as football coach and AD. But how Stanford reached such a different decision under the same man as president would be something I wish I knew more about. One thing I do know is that he served only two years as president of Stanford, and was preceded by Wallace Sterling and succeeded by Richard Lyman, both of whom seem to have been fairly friendly to athletics, so maybe that factored into his short tenure there. I really don't know the dynamics, but would be interested. Almaden Mike or anyone else who has any insight, I'd really be interested.

ETA: By the way, just to be clear, if we were to win out, including a bowl win, I would still feel the same way. I'm not worried, because with Bailiff coaching we are not going to. But even if we did, it wouldn't change 2007 or 2009-2011 or 2015-2016. And enough is more than enough.

Once again on the button. I think that JK has made changes where they can be made, but there certainly seems to be evidence that his hands are tied. I remember thinking at the EZF dedication that it was sad (much like Willis and Tudor, way way too late) that DB would not be able to utilize it since certainly he was not going to survive 2016. Obviously I was mistaken

Did anyone seen Leebron, Bucky, Bobby or other BOT members at the game? When did they leave if so?
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Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season. Which I guess means he doesn't technically have to make a decision after this year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsspor...nsion/amp/
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Jk is worse. He has been a total failure and pissed off many who love rice sports. Two years back a couple of loyal posters made a plea to support the owl club. I think one even chaired it. I heard Both have quit because of Him, at least neither are listed as donors and don't attend games
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(10-08-2017 02:35 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season. Which I guess means he doesn't technically have to make a decision after this year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsspor...nsion/amp/

With Coach Graham in the last year of his contract right now, it seems plausible that JK will let Bailiff coach one more year (next season) and then let it expire. There must have been a few large donors that were ready to move on from Braun and Williams and made sure JK knew it and had the funds to do it. Clearly, Graham and Bailiff don't have the same level of opposition from the donors so Joe gets a pass to drag these decisions out over years. That's purely speculation but it seems to align with posters on here sharing Joe's requests for trust and his public statements about how long it takes to change culture. I hope Rice has as much time as Joe needs...and that JK doesn't lose Josh Thiel in the mean time. Without the funding from those facilities his resume wouldn't look all that good for his next job search.
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(10-08-2017 03:34 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 02:35 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season. Which I guess means he doesn't technically have to make a decision after this year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsspor...nsion/amp/

With Coach Graham in the last year of his contract right now, it seems plausible that JK will let Bailiff coach one more year (next season) and then let it expire. There must have been a few large donors that were ready to move on from Braun and Williams and made sure JK knew it and had the funds to do it. Clearly, Graham and Bailiff don't have the same level of opposition from the donors so Joe gets a pass to drag these decisions out over years. That's purely speculation but it seems to align with posters on here sharing Joe's requests for trust and his public statements about how long it takes to change culture. I hope Rice has as much time as Joe needs...and that JK doesn't lose Josh Thiel in the mean time. Without the funding from those facilities his resume wouldn't look all that good for his next job search.

Will you PLEASE stop lumping Coach Graham and Bailiff together. Their situations are worlds apart.
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Outside of not firing Bailiff, I have no issues with JK.
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(10-08-2017 03:38 PM)seniorowl Wrote:  Outside of not firing Bailiff, I have no issues with JK.

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Karlgaard is too withdrawn and uncommunicative.
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(10-08-2017 03:47 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Karlgaard is too withdrawn and uncommunicative.

Because he has no freedom to do what he knows need to be done?
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(10-08-2017 04:12 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 03:47 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Karlgaard is too withdrawn and uncommunicative.

Because he has no freedom to do what he knows need to be done?

I don't know. That's the problem. He doesn't say much any more. He doesn't make many appearances any more, and when he does he doesn't mingle. So people can and do speculate - has he given up? Is he a crony who doesn't care what any body but his friends on the BOT think? Does he have a grand plan that just takes time? Is he overwhelmed and therefore frozen by indecision?
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(10-08-2017 03:37 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 03:34 PM)BufflOwl Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 02:35 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Bailiff's contract runs through the 2018 season. Which I guess means he doesn't technically have to make a decision after this year.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsspor...nsion/amp/

With Coach Graham in the last year of his contract right now, it seems plausible that JK will let Bailiff coach one more year (next season) and then let it expire. There must have been a few large donors that were ready to move on from Braun and Williams and made sure JK knew it and had the funds to do it. Clearly, Graham and Bailiff don't have the same level of opposition from the donors so Joe gets a pass to drag these decisions out over years. That's purely speculation but it seems to align with posters on here sharing Joe's requests for trust and his public statements about how long it takes to change culture. I hope Rice has as much time as Joe needs...and that JK doesn't lose Josh Thiel in the mean time. Without the funding from those facilities his resume wouldn't look all that good for his next job search.

Will you PLEASE stop lumping Coach Graham and Bailiff together. Their situations are worlds apart.

Then why aren't they being handled differently? Or handled at all actually?
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(10-08-2017 03:45 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 03:38 PM)seniorowl Wrote:  Outside of not firing Bailiff, I have no issues with JK.
"Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

I think his hands were tied there. They won't be tied this year. Let's see what he does.
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I've noticed, dating back to last season, that the president, his wife, and the athletic director no longer sit with the fans. I think they must be watching from the owl club. I'd hide too if I were them. I can see all the heavy hitters up there hiding. This is an awful situation.
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