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RE: Marcus Childers - is he the guy?
(10-07-2017 10:37 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Buddy who knew of Santa at Geneva HS believes this is what u get. Players like him and rally on him, but his skills are abit limited and mistakes come with the package. He is not a guy to carry the team consistently. Seems like we are seeing a repeat of his HS career.

I'd love to hear how Graham and Childers were perceived in HS. anyone?

I was surprised that we did not get some input about Graham, but not about Childers in high school. I only saw Santa play in 1 high school game; his senior year against Batavia. He had the good (I had to look back to find he had 277 yards passing) and the bad (5 picks, including 2 pick 6s). He had already committed to NIU at that time; my impression was he is a bit of a gunslinger, and you have to take the bad with the good. Of course, 1 game does not tell the tale, but Santa’s high school stats from max preps pretty much confirms the good with the bad.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/daniel-s...-stats.htm

For me the significant QB stats are completion percentage and TD v. interception ratio; Santa had a good completion percentage, but a bad TD v. interception ratio; note, are these stats accurate? Santa’s 65% completion percentage this year is excellent (Childers is 61%, but he has not thrown enough passes, and his passes were in bad weather conditions), but the 6 TDs to 5 picks is very bad, and the statement that we may be seeing a repeat of his high school career from NIU84 based on what his buddy told him could a fair one, although IMO too early to tell. Of course, looking back to high school stats is not a good measure; some players excel in college and others don’t, plus there are so many variables in high school football, like how good are the WRs, how good is the running game, the O-line protection, etc. Oh yea, I could not find Graham’s or Childers’s high school stats.

We may be seeing a what have you done for us lately perspective with Santa, including by the coaches. He had a very good game against EIU; and did a great job of not making mistakes against Nebraska, and when we were behind made 2 big-time passes to set up the winning TD. The lately starts with the SDSU game; Santa was 23-37 for 262 yards and 3 TDs (the good), but had 3 picks (the bad). I don’t hold the last pick against Santa, which was a desperation last drive pick. However, the other 2 hurt, and was a 14-point (or at least 10-pont) turnaround. Then against Kent State Santa could not move the O (but the weather conditions were so bad), and then he throws a pick in the end zone, a 7 or 3-point turnaround early in the game. Is it surprising that Carey, a very conservative coach, gave Santa the hook, after the 2 costly picks in the SDSU game?

Most like the running dimension of Childers and what it brings to the table, as I do. But what about Santa’s running? We know he can run; he had 13 carries for 91 yards (7 yards per carry) against EMU last year, so we know he can run, and he sure looks very athletic. He did not run much in high school; I am sure that was the coaches not wanting to get him hurt – someone here can confirm that. Santa has run very little this year, and it clearly appears that is the coaches not wanting to get him hurt. However, we now know that we have a viable alternative in Childers.

So, after thinking about this here is my resolution – start and open the play book for Santa; have him run the read option, etc. Won’t his running threat then loosen up the defense for his passing and help with cutting down the mistakes? By doing this we may get good part of Santa (passing), help to limit the bad decisions/picks, and get the good of Santa running also. This seems like a plan that could work; would it and would the coaches do this remains to be seen.
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To really Screw with the D, put both Santa AND Childers in at the same time. COGS Double Barrel shotgun formation.
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I know some people that are pretty well connected/informed on WWS football and they were surprised that Graham ever saw the field at the QB position. Maybe they thought we would have better talent at that position after having Harnish, Lynch, Hare...but either way, they didn't think he'd be a starting QB at NIU.
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(10-10-2017 01:02 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  One positive from all this, the opposing D coordinators have to prepare for at least 2 very different style QBs.
Not all 3?

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(10-10-2017 11:58 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 11:30 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 11:20 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 11:07 AM)Djud Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 10:33 AM)7 Wrote:  The one play away narrative needs to stop. He’s thrown 3 picks in his last 5 pass attempts. He didn’t get benched because of one play. He got benched because he makes bad decisions, just as he did in practice.

It may not fit your narrative but the 3rd pick never happens if the pass is completed. Your good points get clouded by you ignoring information that doesn't support your opinions. Your point on Santa is all that he did prior to the last 2 min of the SDSU game gets negated. You look for only the data to support your initial stance; the same one where you said Childers gives you "the least good and the most bad".

I think Carey is on the same track as you; he starts Graham when he is healthy, which he won't be this week, and he starts Childers against Buffalo. My hope is that he doesn't yank Childers if he starts to screw up. Pick a lane, believe in your choice and have the kids back. Thank God Harnish was allowed to develop and grow through mistakes. That would have been a complete waste of talent.
That’s not what I’m saying at all. Santa has played 13 quarters and thrown 5 picks. That’s not good enough. I still stand by the fact Santa gives you the most good and the most bad, but if Childers can be an effective runner that does change the narrative for me a bit.

For the record, I would probably go back to Santa but it’s not an easy or clear choice.

Yea it's pretty close between those 2. Looking at the Kent game, all I know is that Childers can hit short passes when the guy is wide open. And we don't really know that he'll do any better when it comes to interceptions yet (especially throwing over the middle), though he'll have less pressure there since he's a more capable runner if the play breaks down.
I do think his running ability will provide for easier reads which should cut down on mistakes.

What I don’t get is, it’s not like santa can’t move. Not sure why they are calling almost zero designed runs for him.

Been thinking the same thing. I think it was EMU last year where he was running pretty damn good the whole game. He is pretty quick too, much better than Hare and I even thought Graham at running.
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Santa definitely was a more aggressive runner in last years EMU and KSU games. He was as head knocking as JL was the way he was attacking tacklers. Have not seen that this year at all. Maybe it's coaching staff induced to try to stay away from more injuries. If Santa goes down we are at QB's #'s 3 and 4 and might not have much of a passing game.

In rewatching Childers TD pass to Tears, it was supposed to be a wheel route to Wiman with a pick by Tears but that didn't happen so Wimann was covered but Tears was open starting on the 8 yard line. The pass was completed but Childers never fully gets his feet readjusted so the pass is slighty behind Tears and almost knocked down by the db. Point being it's a game of inches and Childers still probably doesn't yet have the fundamentals down pat.
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(10-10-2017 03:23 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Santa definitely was a more aggressive runner in last years EMU and KSU games. He was as head knocking as JL was the way he was attacking tacklers. Have not seen that this year at all. Maybe it's coaching staff induced to try to stay away from more injuries. If Santa goes down we are at QB's #'s 3 and 4 and might not have much of a passing game.

In rewatching Childers TD pass to Tears, it was supposed to be a wheel route to Wiman with a pick by Tears but that didn't happen so Wimann was covered but Tears was open starting on the 8 yard line. The pass was completed but Childers never fully gets his feet readjusted so the pass is slighty behind Tears and almost knocked down by the db. Point being it's a game of inches and Childers still probably doesn't yet have the fundamentals down pat.

Here is one thing to keep in mind, Santa could not physically perform in those conditions, he had to be pulled because he literally could not perform. Childers came in and did the job where Santa could not. Not easy to play in tropical storm force winds, but Childers was the QB that was able to do it. I think a part of it is that Santa's hands are too small. The ball was wet, he could not physically hold onto it. Hare suffered from this problem to some degree also
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(10-10-2017 04:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 03:23 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Santa definitely was a more aggressive runner in last years EMU and KSU games. He was as head knocking as JL was the way he was attacking tacklers. Have not seen that this year at all. Maybe it's coaching staff induced to try to stay away from more injuries. If Santa goes down we are at QB's #'s 3 and 4 and might not have much of a passing game.

In rewatching Childers TD pass to Tears, it was supposed to be a wheel route to Wiman with a pick by Tears but that didn't happen so Wimann was covered but Tears was open starting on the 8 yard line. The pass was completed but Childers never fully gets his feet readjusted so the pass is slighty behind Tears and almost knocked down by the db. Point being it's a game of inches and Childers still probably doesn't yet have the fundamentals down pat.

Here is one thing to keep in mind, Santa could not physically perform in those conditions, he had to be pulled because he literally could not perform. Childers came in and did the job where Santa could not. Not easy to play in tropical storm force winds, but Childers was the QB that was able to do it. I think a part of it is that Santa's hands are too small. The ball was wet, he could not physically hold onto it. Hare suffered from this problem to some degree also
Go back and look at Childer's passes. The ball came out of his hand sideways and everywhich way more often than not. Blame the wet ball or wind or his mechanics. I'm not sure.

Yes he ran the offense but his running was the difference over Santa in this game.

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(10-10-2017 05:00 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 04:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 03:23 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Santa definitely was a more aggressive runner in last years EMU and KSU games. He was as head knocking as JL was the way he was attacking tacklers. Have not seen that this year at all. Maybe it's coaching staff induced to try to stay away from more injuries. If Santa goes down we are at QB's #'s 3 and 4 and might not have much of a passing game.

In rewatching Childers TD pass to Tears, it was supposed to be a wheel route to Wiman with a pick by Tears but that didn't happen so Wimann was covered but Tears was open starting on the 8 yard line. The pass was completed but Childers never fully gets his feet readjusted so the pass is slighty behind Tears and almost knocked down by the db. Point being it's a game of inches and Childers still probably doesn't yet have the fundamentals down pat.

Here is one thing to keep in mind, Santa could not physically perform in those conditions, he had to be pulled because he literally could not perform. Childers came in and did the job where Santa could not. Not easy to play in tropical storm force winds, but Childers was the QB that was able to do it. I think a part of it is that Santa's hands are too small. The ball was wet, he could not physically hold onto it. Hare suffered from this problem to some degree also
Go back and look at Childer's passes. The ball came out of his hand sideways and everywhich way more often than not. Blame the wet ball or wind or his mechanics. I'm not sure.

Yes he ran the offense but his running was the difference over Santa in this game.

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Santa could not grip the ball at all, I applaud Carey for making the switch because NIU wouldn't have scored a TD with Santa in the game.
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(10-10-2017 04:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-10-2017 03:23 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Santa definitely was a more aggressive runner in last years EMU and KSU games. He was as head knocking as JL was the way he was attacking tacklers. Have not seen that this year at all. Maybe it's coaching staff induced to try to stay away from more injuries. If Santa goes down we are at QB's #'s 3 and 4 and might not have much of a passing game.

In rewatching Childers TD pass to Tears, it was supposed to be a wheel route to Wiman with a pick by Tears but that didn't happen so Wimann was covered but Tears was open starting on the 8 yard line. The pass was completed but Childers never fully gets his feet readjusted so the pass is slighty behind Tears and almost knocked down by the db. Point being it's a game of inches and Childers still probably doesn't yet have the fundamentals down pat.

Here is one thing to keep in mind, Santa could not physically perform in those conditions, he had to be pulled because he literally could not perform. Childers came in and did the job where Santa could not. Not easy to play in tropical storm force winds, but Childers was the QB that was able to do it.

What does this even mean? He could not physically perform.? Santa had 9 plays; he had had nothing open on 3 pass plays, so he took the sack or ran; exactly what everyone is asking him to do when the playis not there. He made 1 pass that was well thrown, but a poor decision; it was thrown into double coverage and the DB made an incredible athletic play. He had one play where the ball was knock from his grasp that he regained control of. Carey said Childers was coming in the 3rd series regardless. When Santa came back in we were moving the balli until he made threw the pick; at that point Carey decided to go the rest of the way with Childers. Not sure where the hell you're going with this one.
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