(10-15-2017 08:09 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:26 AM)SouthernMiss3613 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 02:57 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 02:28 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 12:13 PM)Usajags Wrote:  We all saw it coming, but like you said, those that were hypnotized buy C-U-S-A.

Bad leadership over there. I especially have no sympathy for UNT, MTSU and WKU. Let them rot over there. I do feel for UAB and USM, USM for football reasons, and UAB for basketball.

Just FYI, I think there are very few, if any of us from the schools that you mentioned that would have ANY interest in returning to the Sun Belt. Moving to CUSA has been great for UNT. CUSA has its pros and cons, but between it and the Sun Belt, I'll take CUSA every day.

I don't mean this as an insult to the SBC...just stating that we don't need any "sympathy", because most of us are far happier where we are now.

I've heard it from lots of USM fans that they might be happier in the SBC. Also heard lots of comments from CUSA fans about needing to reshuffle.

A lot of USM fans would rather be in the SBC. It fits better culturally and would be easier travel. I see rivalries forming overnight. It would be great to grab Tech too, but they would never join the SBC.

I do believe the SBC has improved its overall quality of teams, however, I disagree that most USM fans want to move to the Sunbelt. Not to sound disrespectful but it depends on who you talk to about this situation. Most fans I know complain that we missed our opportunity or were overlooked (as we were in my opinion). The USM fans I know either want the AAC or the Big 12 (obviously I feel this way as wel). It depends on the fans you talk to. Again, the SBC has improved its conference overall IMO but I’m not in favor of moving to this conference. I don’t see a problem with having a few OOC games each year because of the geographical advantage.

No moron is turning down the AAC or the Big 12 for the SBC or CUSA for that matter.

The original point of the thread was what to do if Southern Miss found those doors closed and CUSA still not getting any better.

If CUSA only got worse the fans I know would want to stay in CUSA instead of moving. I know that Benson already approached USM about moving and USM turned him down.

(10-13-2017 09:38 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:26 AM)StillGotIt Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 08:41 AM)Arrowhead Wrote:  I see why ULM so far, but we are trending upward and are charter members of SBC. I know early in season, but don’t look now, but we are in first place in the SBC. I don’t think we win it this year, but I do next year. I don’t see us getting kicked out unless a new conference is formed and then not sure we would be either. . I asked our President if that was a concern and he said not at all. We would be included in any realignment.

How ironic considering La Tech was a SBC member before you. And they aren't charter members.

The only one here that gets to claim "charter member" status is the great University of South Alabama!!!!

Georgia State is a charter member. They left and came back.

(10-14-2017 10:06 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 09:56 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  my personal preference would be ODU, UNCC, WKU, MTSU, UAB, GAST, USA, USM, FAU, FIU

Drop ODU, ad GaSo.

Drop UNCC, ad stAte or App.

then it wouldn't be my personal preference.

(10-13-2017 11:37 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:58 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:45 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 09:38 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The only one here that gets to claim "charter member" status is the great University of South Alabama!!!!

There is one other...

A 20 year gap makes you ineligible.

Absolutely, if a charter member school leaves a conference, they automatically forfeit their charter membership. If and when that school re-enters the conference then they start over (from scratch) like any other new school.

being in a conference when it starts makes you a charter member by definition. the fact that you want to claim the status of the sole current charter member does not change that fact. you can say you are the only continuous member.

I think most Southern Miss fans want to get away from the Texas schools

I like the add of USM and La Tech; however, USM and La Tech will not benefit much from joining the Sun Belt. At the moment, they have games scheduled every other year in Birmingham, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio in their present division. Plus they can schedule any Sun Belt team they want as a OCG.

Nope. I think we are looking at the addition of football to UT-Arlington and Arkansas - Little Rock.

West

Arkansas - Little Rock
Arkansas State
Louisiana - Lafayette
Louisiana - Monroe
Texas State
UT- Arlington

East

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama
Troy


This allows for yearly regional rival games that spark both conferences.

USA vs USM
USA vs UAB
Troy vs UAB

Ga State vs UAB
Ga State vs Charlotte

App State vs Charlotte
App State vs Marshall
App State vs Middle Tennesse
App State vs Western Kentucky

Texas State vs UTSA
Texas State vs UNT


I would like to see USA play USM and UAB every year.

With the 8 conference games ( 5 divisional and 3 games from the west division) and 4 OOC games this is doable. In South's case, we would only have to schedule two OOC games a year if USM and UAB are permanent fixtures. Example. FSU always had UF and Miami on the schedule before UM became a member of the ACC.

I also believe that App State would not mind having Charlotte and Marshall on the schedule every year.

Example USA schedule


1. SEC or P5 (LSU, MSU, Ole Miss, Auburn, Tennessee)
2. Arkansas - Little Rock *
3. Louisiana - Monroe
4. UAB * ++
5. UT- Arlington
6. Appalachian State *
7. Coastal Carolina
8. Georgia State *
9. USM ++
10. Alabama State, Alabama A&M, Jackson State,Grambling State,Kennesaw State **
11. Georgia Southern
12. Troy *

* Home game
** Homecoming
++ Permanent Rival

It's becoming more and more clear that if there is some sort of geographic realignment between SBC and C-USA, it's going to be eastern schools who initiate it.

C-USA's Texas schools probably are perfectly content with the number of Texas schools. La. Tech clearly has no interest in more Louisiana schools and likes being in the league with four Texas schools plus Southern Miss.

Schools in the middle for both conferences feel that just about everyone is not "too far," especially for SBC's Alabama schools, who don't have to travel to geographic outliers like FIU/FAU or UTEP.

In the east, though, AD's are looking at the lack of conference revenue combined with their many sports' travel costs and asking, "Why are we traveling to Texas and Louisiana when we could be going right down the road to Charlotte/Boone/Norfolk/Myrtle Beach/Huntington/Atlanta? What we have is good, but how can we make it better?"

As has been pointed out, Arkansas State has less incentive for a geographic realignment because almost everyone is far, anyway. They would probably rather keep in a conference with Georgia and Carolina schools than be in a league with 5-6 Texas schools (4 C-USA and 2 SBC's including UTA).

The other thing is that the eastern C-USA schools seem to have a lot less distaste towards SBC schools than western C-USA schools. ODU, Charlotte, and even Marshall have plenty of respect for App and Georgia Southern, for instance, and would be perfectly fine sharing a league with them instead of with schools way out in Texas. There is less of a La. Tech mindset.

I can't help but wonder if things may get moving as the next year if C-USA's next TV contract, which has not been set yet and starts next year, goes as poorly as the current one.

(10-16-2017 09:19 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  It's becoming more and more clear that if there is some sort of geographic realignment between SBC and C-USA, it's going to be eastern schools who initiate it.

C-USA's Texas schools probably are perfectly content with the number of Texas schools. La. Tech clearly has no interest in more Louisiana schools and likes being in the league with four Texas schools plus Southern Miss.

Schools in the middle for both conferences feel that just about everyone is not "too far," especially for SBC's Alabama schools, who don't have to travel to geographic outliers like FIU/FAU or UTEP.

In the east, though, AD's are looking at the lack of conference revenue combined with their many sports' travel costs and asking, "Why are we traveling to Texas and Louisiana when we could be going right down the road to Charlotte/Boone/Norfolk/Myrtle Beach/Huntington/Atlanta? What we have is good, but how can we make it better?"

As has been pointed out, Arkansas State has less incentive for a geographic realignment because almost everyone is far, anyway. They would probably rather keep in a conference with Georgia and Carolina schools than be in a league with 5-6 Texas schools (4 C-USA and 2 SBC's including UTA).

The other thing is that the eastern C-USA schools seem to have a lot less distaste towards SBC schools than western C-USA schools. ODU, Charlotte, and even Marshall have plenty of respect for App and Georgia Southern, for instance, and would be perfectly fine sharing a league with them instead of with schools way out in Texas. There is less of a La. Tech mindset.

I can't help but wonder if things may get moving as the next year if C-USA's next TV contract, which has not been set yet and starts next year, goes as poorly as the current one.

Arkansas State fans are pretty loyal conference-wise. I think most of us would be fine with adding USM and rolling with the schools we have.

But getting away from Karl and this conference office make me almost want to do anything, ANYTHING.

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(10-15-2017 07:49 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 07:11 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:40 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 02:01 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 01:48 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Another one of these threads....lol. If you truly want a bus league, then:

Marshall
ODU
WKU
MTSU
Charlotte
App

Coastal
GATA
GSU
UAB
Troy
USA

No no no. If you want a bus league, go back to FCS!!!!

If you want to see your school's athletic dept go broke then stay in the idiotic conference alignment we have today.

Once NMSU and Idaho are gone, what is wrong with our lineup??? I said it earlier in this thread, what looks right to you depends on where you live on the map. In our current line up, you are on the northeast corner, so adding Marshall and ODU more centers you. In our current set up, I'm fairly central. In the lineup above I become the southwest corner, see where I'm going with this???

Ultimately I want in a conference with USM, we are separated by 90 miles and already play in all other sports. The football games are coming. Put us with USM, and I'm happy, I feel like ULL, which is another rival for us, will also be in whatever may happen in realignment.

You just contradicted yourself. You bust on App for wanting a "bus league" then layout a conference with schools close to you. Texas State rips into App for the same and in the next sentence says they want in a mostly Texas conference. Plus you guys have league basketball schools in your time zone. A whole lot of double standard talk going on here.

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(10-16-2017 09:19 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  It's becoming more and more clear that if there is some sort of geographic realignment between SBC and C-USA, it's going to be eastern schools who initiate it.

C-USA's Texas schools probably are perfectly content with the number of Texas schools. La. Tech clearly has no interest in more Louisiana schools and likes being in the league with four Texas schools plus Southern Miss.

Schools in the middle for both conferences feel that just about everyone is not "too far," especially for SBC's Alabama schools, who don't have to travel to geographic outliers like FIU/FAU or UTEP.

In the east, though, AD's are looking at the lack of conference revenue combined with their many sports' travel costs and asking, "Why are we traveling to Texas and Louisiana when we could be going right down the road to Charlotte/Boone/Norfolk/Myrtle Beach/Huntington/Atlanta? What we have is good, but how can we make it better?"

As has been pointed out, Arkansas State has less incentive for a geographic realignment because almost everyone is far, anyway. They would probably rather keep in a conference with Georgia and Carolina schools than be in a league with 5-6 Texas schools (4 C-USA and 2 SBC's including UTA).

The other thing is that the eastern C-USA schools seem to have a lot less distaste towards SBC schools than western C-USA schools. ODU, Charlotte, and even Marshall have plenty of respect for App and Georgia Southern, for instance, and would be perfectly fine sharing a league with them instead of with schools way out in Texas. There is less of a La. Tech mindset.

I can't help but wonder if things may get moving as the next year if C-USA's next TV contract, which has not been set yet and starts next year, goes as poorly as the current one.

CUSA's new TV deal, or the lack thereof, prompted ODU's AD and others to begin questioning their continued association with the conference. In a lot of ways those guys are driving the realignment szue.

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Two things I will add that are being discussed:

I know some of you guys may not care for Benson but I would have more confidence in him than current CUSA leadership.

I have heard that CUSA's next TV contract will be "significantly lower" than what we have now ($200K per school). This may be the tipping point on a SBC/CUSA realignment.

(10-16-2017 02:37 PM)flowoodeagle Wrote:  Two things I will add that are being discussed:

I know some of you guys may not care for Benson but I would have more confidence in him than current CUSA leadership.

I have heard that CUSA's next TV contract will be "significantly lower" than what we have now ($200K per school). This may be the tipping point on a SBC/CUSA realignment.

Wow. Not only will you be getting the same or less than the SBC you still don't get the exposure. SBC has a few more years to figure out how to at least get 250K+ per school for a TV deal. I would like to see a clause in the next contract that limits the number of home game mid-week games to 1 per season per school. Those mid-weeks kill attendance and that is where we get most the money (besides student fees). I think it is inevitable that the 2 conferences do some sort of alignment to maximize attendance and fan interest. But I have a feeling there will be a couple schools left holding the short end of the stick. I'm hoping GS isn't one of them.

(10-13-2017 04:10 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 09:40 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If the SBC stands tall, and holds our ground, this is the way I see it breaking down.

The SBC, if we go to 12

West
ULL
ULM
stAte
USM
USA
Troy

East
CCU
App
GaSt
GaSo
WKU
MTSU

I know, I don't care for bringing anyone back, but it just works.

The CUSA becomes the 14 team conference that's looks like this

West
NMSU
UTEP
UTSA
TXST
Rice
UNT
LaTech

East
Marshall
ODU
Liberty
UNCC
UAB
FIU
FAU


TxSt moves over because it makes since for them.

In this scenario, Marshall gets screwed in my opinion.

That solves little to nothing in the way of regional alliances. I prefer this. La Tech doesn't have to deal with Louisiana or ULM.

CUSA
App
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
ODU
WKU

Coastal
FAU
FIU
GA So
GA St
UAB

Sunbelt
AState
Louisiana
Troy
ULM
USA
USM

La Tech
N Texas
Rice
Tex St
UTEP
UTSA

BOOOOOOOO!
The coastal would languish and die.

(10-16-2017 02:53 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 04:10 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 09:40 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If the SBC stands tall, and holds our ground, this is the way I see it breaking down.

The SBC, if we go to 12

West
ULL
ULM
stAte
USM
USA
Troy

East
CCU
App
GaSt
GaSo
WKU
MTSU

I know, I don't care for bringing anyone back, but it just works.

The CUSA becomes the 14 team conference that's looks like this

West
NMSU
UTEP
UTSA
TXST
Rice
UNT
LaTech

East
Marshall
ODU
Liberty
UNCC
UAB
FIU
FAU


TxSt moves over because it makes since for them.

In this scenario, Marshall gets screwed in my opinion.

That solves little to nothing in the way of regional alliances. I prefer this. La Tech doesn't have to deal with Louisiana or ULM.

CUSA
App
Charlotte
Marshall
MTSU
ODU
WKU

Coastal
FAU
FIU
GA So
GA St
UAB

Sunbelt
AState
Louisiana
Troy
ULM
USA
USM

La Tech
N Texas
Rice
Tex St
UTEP
UTSA

BOOOOOOOO!
The coastal would languish and die.

Thought you Eagle fans would like a easier road to the conf championship game.

(10-16-2017 02:37 PM)flowoodeagle Wrote:  Two things I will add that are being discussed:

I know some of you guys may not care for Benson but I would have more confidence in him than current CUSA leadership.

I have heard that CUSA's next TV contract will be "significantly lower" than what we have now ($200K per school). This may be the tipping point on a SBC/CUSA realignment.

With numbers being that low, you wonder if that will result in some schools dropping back to FCS. You got to remember that a lot of these schools moved up with $ signs in their eyes, and now those dollars just aren't there. Eventually students, and parents, will fight against these athletic fees for football teams that don't have student support on Saturdays anyways.

(10-16-2017 02:47 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Wow. Not only will you be getting the same or less than the SBC you still don't get the exposure. SBC has a few more years to figure out how to at least get 250K+ per school for a TV deal. I would like to see a clause in the next contract that limits the number of home game mid-week games to 1 per season per school. Those mid-weeks kill attendance and that is where we get most the money (besides student fees). I think it is inevitable that the 2 conferences do some sort of alignment to maximize attendance and fan interest. But I have a feeling there will be a couple schools left holding the short end of the stick. I'm hoping GS isn't one of them.

Before you poopoo all over the weeknight games on ESPN, do you realize which conference as playing a lot of those game 10-15 years ago??? It was CUSA, with TCU, Louisville, USF, UCF, Cinncinatti. Do you think it might be connected that those teams starting having success and moved to P5 and wanna be P5 conferences. Don't underestimate the ability to recruit when you are the only game one, nationally.

Dumb question as I’m not keeping up with other conferences this year, but with our terrible ooc this year, is there any chance we don’t finish last this year with the G5’s? I know there’s still football left to be played, but most ooc games are behind us. Only reason I ask is since we’re talking about poaching two of the better Cusa teams, what would be their motivation?

(10-16-2017 06:06 PM)Redwolves06 Wrote:  Dumb question as I’m not keeping up with other conferences this year, but with our terrible ooc this year, is there any chance we don’t finish last this year with the G5’s? I know there’s still football left to be played, but most ooc games are behind us. Only reason I ask is since we’re talking about poaching two of the better Cusa teams, what would be their motivation?

More exposure on TV via ESPN and depending on who it is, more regional games with built in rivalries.

(10-16-2017 06:11 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 06:06 PM)Redwolves06 Wrote:  Dumb question as I’m not keeping up with other conferences this year, but with our terrible ooc this year, is there any chance we don’t finish last this year with the G5’s? I know there’s still football left to be played, but most ooc games are behind us. Only reason I ask is since we’re talking about poaching two of the better Cusa teams, what would be their motivation?

More exposure on TV via ESPN and depending on who it is, more regional games with built in rivalries.

Obviously our tv deal will sink at renewal...wouldn’t say the rivalries created aren’t any better than what they would be leaving. Now restructuring both leagues would make for better regional rivalries..