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Essential FBS Rivalries? (Poll #2)
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Essential FBS Rivalries? (Poll #2)
Poll #1: http://csnbbs.com/thread-829175.html
Poll #3: http://csnbbs.com/thread-829328.html

As I explored in a previous thread, there are 84 pairs of FBS teams that have played one another annually for at least 30 years and are still actively playing one another. Some are very obviously what one would call "essential" rivalries, meaning both teams would likely seek to retain the matchup each year even in the event of a realignment that separated them into different divisions or conferences. In some cases, this has already happened, or they were never in the same conference/division to begin with.

Other pairs aren't particularly essential and may primarily be the result of sharing a conference/division and not any strong desire to play. These matchups would be sacrificed as annual games in the event of a realignment that separated the teams.

The line between essential and non-essential is rather blurry, so I thought I'd post a poll to see what the realignment forum thinks. Actually, I have to post two polls, because the limit on poll options is 16.

Here are the matchups which may or may not be essential. The year in parentheses is the first year of the current run of annual matchups.

Air Force/Wyoming (1980)
Alabama/LSU (1964)
Alabama/Mississippi State (1948)
Arkansas/Ole Miss (1981)
Baylor/Texas (1945)
Baylor/Texas Tech (1956)
California/USC (1926)
Central Michigan/Eastern Michigan (1972)
Central Michigan/Western Michigan (1973)
Clemson/Georgia Tech (1983)
Clemson/NC State (1971)
Duke/Georgia Tech (1933)
Duke/Virginia (1963)
Duke/Wake Forest (1967)
Eastern Michigan/Western Michigan (1978)
Florida/LSU (1971)
Georgia/Vanderbilt (1968)
Iowa/Minnesota (1931)
Iowa State/Kansas State (1917)
Kentucky/Tennessee (1944)
Kentucky/Vanderbilt (1953)
LSU/Mississippi State (1944)
LSU/Ole Miss (1945)
NC State/Wake Forest (1910)
North Carolina/Virginia (1919)
Ole Miss/Vanderbilt (1970)
Pittsburgh/Syracuse (1955)
Stanford/UCLA (1946)
Texas/Texas Tech (1960)
Toledo/Western Michigan (1950)

These are what I would consider essential rivalries:

Air Force/Army (1971)
Air Force/Colorado State (1978)
Air Force/Navy (1972)
Alabama/Auburn (1948)
Alabama/Tennessee (1944)
Arizona/Arizona State (1946)
Army/Navy (1930)
Auburn/Georgia (1944)
Bowling Green/Toledo (1948)
California/Stanford (1946)
California/UCLA (1933)
Cincinnati/Miami-OH (1945)
Clemson/South Carolina (1909)
Colorado State/Wyoming (1946)
Duke/North Carolina (1922)
Florida/Florida State (1958)
Florida/Georgia (1944)
Florida State/Miami-FL (1969)
Georgia/Georgia Tech (1925)
Illinois/Northwestern (1927)
Indiana/Purdue (1920)
Iowa/Iowa State (1977)
Kansas/Kansas State (1911)
Miami-OH/Ohio (1945)
Michigan/Michigan State (1945)
Michigan/Ohio State (1918)
Minnesota/Wisconsin (1907)
Navy/Notre Dame (1927)
New Mexico/New Mexico State (1946)
NC State/North Carolina (1953)
Notre Dame/USC (1946)
Oklahoma/Oklahoma State (1910)
Oklahoma/Texas (1929)
Mississippi State/Ole Miss (1944)
Oregon/Oregon State (1945)
Tennessee/Vanderbilt (1945)
Stanford/USC (1946)
UCLA/USC (1936)
Virginia/Virginia Tech (1970)
Washington/Washington State (1945)

And I'm fairly certain these are not essential:

Auburn/Mississippi State (1955)
Ball State/Central Michigan (1977)
Ball State/Eastern Michigan (1973)
Ball State/Toledo (1975)
Central Michigan/Toledo (1975)
Clemson/Wake Forest (1953)
Eastern Michigan/Toledo (1977)
Florida/Kentucky (1967)
Georgia/Kentucky (1956)
Georgia Tech/North Carolina (1980)
Georgia Tech/Virginia (1982)
Iowa State/Kansas (1932)
Kent State/Miami-OH (1955)
Kent State/Ohio (1949)
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
Pitt-WVU
Cincy-Louisville
Cuse-Rutgers
Notre Dame-BC
BC-UConn
WVU-VT
PSU-Pitt
Maryland-UVA
Rutgers-UConn
USF-UCF
TCU-SMU
Memphis-Louisville
Cincy-Pitt
Rutgers-Temple
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
(10-06-2017 01:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Pitt-WVU
Cincy-Louisville
Cuse-Rutgers
Notre Dame-BC
BC-UConn
WVU-VT
PSU-Pitt
Maryland-UVA
Rutgers-UConn
USF-UCF
TCU-SMU
Memphis-Louisville
Cincy-Pitt
Rutgers-Temple

This more about what is than what should be. 03-wink

Only three of those are active, and they haven't been consecutively played long enough:

UCF/USF (since 2013)
PSU/Pitt (since 2016, not scheduled beyond 2019)
SMU/TCU (since 2007, not scheduled beyond 2019)
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
(10-06-2017 01:52 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Pitt-WVU
Cincy-Louisville
Cuse-Rutgers
Notre Dame-BC
BC-UConn
WVU-VT
PSU-Pitt
Maryland-UVA
Rutgers-UConn
USF-UCF
TCU-SMU
Memphis-Louisville
Cincy-Pitt
Rutgers-Temple

This more about what is than what should be. 03-wink

Most of these are essential. WVU/Pitt, PSU/Pitt, ND/BC, Cincy/UofL, TCU/SMU all have more history despite not playing consecutive years than most on this list.
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
(10-06-2017 01:56 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:52 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 01:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Pitt-WVU
Cincy-Louisville
Cuse-Rutgers
Notre Dame-BC
BC-UConn
WVU-VT
PSU-Pitt
Maryland-UVA
Rutgers-UConn
USF-UCF
TCU-SMU
Memphis-Louisville
Cincy-Pitt
Rutgers-Temple

This more about what is than what should be. 03-wink

Most of these are essential. WVU/Pitt, PSU/Pitt, ND/BC, Cincy/UofL, TCU/SMU all have more history despite not playing consecutive years than most on this list.

I don't see BC/ND, UC/UL, or Pitt/WVU returning to annual matchups in the near future unless there's some realignment (e.g., if UC and ND join the ACC, the first two can resume annually). SMU/TCU will likely continue, and I'm hoping PSU/Pitt will catch on again too. Either that or Pitt/WVU.

SMU/TCU is an interesting case because they missed 2006 for some reason, but other than that and the two years SMU was death-penaltied, the matchup goes back to 1926. I can certainly make allowances for years in which at least one school didn't field a team. Perhaps I can also make an allowances for matchups in which just one year was skipped despite both schools fielding teams.

Of course, this wouldn't really account for the BYU/Utah rivalry, in which no games were scheduled for 2014 or 2015, even though they ended up meeting in a bowl game in 2015. I could extend the gap to two years, but then why not three, four, etc.? Where you draw the line is one trouble with trying to define these sorts of things.
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
Iowa-Minnesota
Iowa State-Kansas State
Kentucky-Tennessee
Louisiana St-Mississippi St
LSU-Ole Miss
NC State-Wake Forest
North Carolina-Virginia
Pittsburgh-Syracuse
Standord-UCLA
Texas-Texas Tech
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
My opinion of what the thanksgiving games should be
UF VS FSU
UCF VS USF
FIU VS FAU
GA ST VS GA SO
GT VS UGA
BAMA VS AUB
TROY VS UAB
OLE MISS VS MISS ST
USM VS USA
TULANE VS LSU
ULM VS LOUSIANA TECH
CLEMSON VS SC
COASTAL VS CHARLOTTE
APP VS WAKE
DUKE VS UNC
NCST VS ECU
UVA VS VT
ODU VS LIBERTY
WVU VS PITT
NAVY VS ARMY
PENN ST VS MARYLAND
TEMPLE VS RUTGERS
UCONN VS BC
CUSE VS BUFFALO
OHIO ST VS MICH
UL VS UK
ARK VS ARK STATE
MTSU VS VANDY
MEM VS UTENN
CIN VS MIAMI OH
OHIO VS MARSHALL
TOLEDO VS BOWLING GREEN
KENT ST VS AKRON
CMU VS EMU
WESTERN M VS MICH ST
BALL ST VS NIU
INDIANA VS PURDUE
ILL VS NW
WIS VS MINN
IOWA VS IOWA ST
NEB VS KANSAS ST
MIZZ VS KU
OK VS OK ST
SMU VS TCU
BAYLOR VS TTU
RICE VS UH
TEXAS VS A&M
UTSA VS TEXAS ST
AF VS WYOMING
COL ST VS COL
UTAH VS BYU
ARIZONA VS AZ ST
UNLV VS NEV
UTAH ST VS BOISE ST
NM VS NM ST
USC VS UCLA
CAL VS STANFORD
SDSU VS FRESNO
WAS VS WAS ST
ORE VS OREGON ST
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
(10-06-2017 12:25 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  NOTE: OTHER POLL IS HERE!!!

As I explored in a previous thread, there are 84 pairs of FBS teams that have played one another annually for at least 30 years and are still actively playing one another. Some are very obviously what one would call "essential" rivalries, meaning both teams would likely seek to retain the matchup each year even in the event of a realignment that separated them into different divisions or conferences. In some cases, this has already happened, or they were never in the same conference/division to begin with.

Other pairs aren't particularly essential and may primarily be the result of sharing a conference/division and not any strong desire to play. These matchups would be sacrificed as annual games in the event of a realignment that separated the teams.

The line is between essential and non-essential is rather blurry, so I thought I'd post a poll to see what the realignment forum thinks. Actually, I have to post two polls, because the limit on poll options is 16.

Here are the matchups which may or may not be essential. The year in parentheses is the first year of the current run of annual matchups.

Alabama/LSU (1964)
Alabama/Mississippi State (1948)
Arkansas/Ole Miss (1981)
Baylor/Texas (1945)
Baylor/Texas Tech (1956)
California/USC (1926)
Central Michigan/Eastern Michigan (1972)
Central Michigan/Western Michigan (1973)
Clemson/Georgia Tech (1983)
Clemson/NC State (1971)
Duke/Georgia Tech (1933)
Duke/Virginia (1963)
Duke/Wake Forest (1967)
Eastern Michigan/Western Michigan (1978)
Florida/LSU (1971)
Georgia/Vanderbilt (1968)
Iowa/Minnesota (1931)
Iowa State/Kansas State (1917)
Kentucky/Tennessee (1944)
Kentucky/Vanderbilt (1953)
LSU/Mississippi State (1944)
LSU/Ole Miss (1945)
NC State/Wake Forest (1910)
North Carolina/Virginia (1919)
Ole Miss/Vanderbilt (1970)
Pittsburgh/Syracuse (1955)
Stanford/UCLA (1946)
Texas/Texas Tech (1960)

These are what I would consider essential rivalries:

Air Force/Army (1971)
Air Force/Colorado State (1978)
Air Force/Navy (1972)
Alabama/Auburn (1948)
Alabama/Tennessee (1944)
Arizona/Arizona State (1946)
Army/Navy (1930)
Auburn/Georgia (1944)
Bowling Green/Toledo (1948)
California/Stanford (1946)
California/UCLA (1933)
Cincinnati/Miami-OH (1945)
Clemson/South Carolina (1909)
Colorado State/Wyoming (1946)
Duke/North Carolina (1922)
Florida/Florida State (1958)
Florida/Georgia (1944)
Florida State/Miami-FL (1969)
Georgia/Georgia Tech (1925)
Illinois/Northwestern (1927)
Indiana/Purdue (1920)
Iowa/Iowa State (1977)
Kansas/Kansas State (1911)
Miami-OH/Ohio (1945)
Michigan/Michigan State (1945)
Michigan/Ohio State (1918)
Minnesota/Wisconsin (1907)
Navy/Notre Dame (1927)
New Mexico/New Mexico State (1946)
NC State/North Carolina (1953)
Notre Dame/USC (1946)
Oklahoma/Oklahoma State (1910)
Oklahoma/Texas (1929)
Mississippi State/Ole Miss (1944)
Oregon/Oregon State (1945)
Tennessee/Vanderbilt (1945)
Stanford/USC (1946)
UCLA/USC (1936)
Virginia/Virginia Tech (1970)
Washington/Washington State (1945)

And I'm fairly certain these are not essential:

Air Force/Wyoming (1980)
Auburn/Mississippi State (1955)
Ball State/Central Michigan (1977)
Ball State/Eastern Michigan (1973)
Ball State/Toledo (1975)
Central Michigan/Toledo (1975)
Clemson/Wake Forest (1953)
Eastern Michigan/Toledo (1977)
Florida/Kentucky (1967)
Georgia/Kentucky (1956)
Georgia Tech/North Carolina (1980)
Georgia Tech/Virginia (1982)
Iowa State/Kansas (1932)
Kent State/Miami-OH (1955)
Kent State/Ohio (1949)
Toledo/Western Michigan (1950)

Do you know why so many rivalries only date back to 1944? It is because many schools suspended teams during the peak of WWII due to a manpower shortage. IMO, this severely skews your survey. Except for WWII Auburn played Georgia continually since 1894. Auburn played Georgia Tech continually since 1892 until 1944, and then again until 1978.
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(10-06-2017 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Do you know why so many rivalries only date back to 1944? It is because many schools suspended teams during the peak of WWII due to a manpower shortage. IMO, this severely skews your survey. Except for WWII Auburn played Georgia continually since 1894. Auburn played Georgia Tech continually since 1892 until 1944, and then again until 1978.

I understand it was the war, but it doesn't matter here. A matchup only has to be active and to have been played for 30 straight years up to the present to make the list. Anything beyond 30 is just gravy. No matchups in the list would change, just the year in parentheses.
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
(10-06-2017 04:24 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Do you know why so many rivalries only date back to 1944? It is because many schools suspended teams during the peak of WWII due to a manpower shortage. IMO, this severely skews your survey. Except for WWII Auburn played Georgia continually since 1894. Auburn played Georgia Tech continually since 1892 until 1944, and then again until 1978.

I understand it was the war, but it doesn't matter here. A matchup only has to be active and to have been played for 30 straight years up to the present to make the list. Anything beyond 30 is just gravy. No matchups in the list would change, just the year in parentheses.

It is however relevant to the quality of a rival that it has endured 100 years as opposed to thirty, particularly as it relates to the importance of keeping, or abandoning the rivalry.
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