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Poll: Which of these matchups do you believe are essential rivalries?
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Iowa/Minnesota
Iowa State/Kansas State
Kentucky/Tennessee
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LSU/Mississippi State
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Ole Miss/Vanderbilt
Pittsburgh/Syracuse
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Texas/Texas Tech
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Essential FBS Rivalries? (Poll #2)
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
(10-06-2017 04:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 04:24 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Do you know why so many rivalries only date back to 1944? It is because many schools suspended teams during the peak of WWII due to a manpower shortage. IMO, this severely skews your survey. Except for WWII Auburn played Georgia continually since 1894. Auburn played Georgia Tech continually since 1892 until 1944, and then again until 1978.

I understand it was the war, but it doesn't matter here. A matchup only has to be active and to have been played for 30 straight years up to the present to make the list. Anything beyond 30 is just gravy. No matchups in the list would change, just the year in parentheses.

It is however relevant to the quality of a rival that it has endured 100 years as opposed to thirty, particularly as it relates to the importance of keeping, or abandoning the rivalry.

I think the actual hatred has more to do with a rivalry than just playing every year. In 26 years are people going to think Rutgers and OSU are rivals? No, but Pitt and PSU will still hate each other. UCF and USF will still hate each other.
10-06-2017 04:32 PM
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
(10-06-2017 04:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 04:24 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Do you know why so many rivalries only date back to 1944? It is because many schools suspended teams during the peak of WWII due to a manpower shortage. IMO, this severely skews your survey. Except for WWII Auburn played Georgia continually since 1894. Auburn played Georgia Tech continually since 1892 until 1944, and then again until 1978.

I understand it was the war, but it doesn't matter here. A matchup only has to be active and to have been played for 30 straight years up to the present to make the list. Anything beyond 30 is just gravy. No matchups in the list would change, just the year in parentheses.

It is however relevant to the quality of a rival that it has endured 100 years as opposed to thirty, particularly as it relates to the importance of keeping, or abandoning the rivalry.

I can add more chronological information, but I'm relying on those here who already know about the rivalries in the poll to help determine whether they're essential or not.

If anyone disputes my specific placement of any rivalries under the essential or non-essential lists, please let me know! Those were just the ones I thought I was sure about. :)
10-06-2017 04:37 PM
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
(10-06-2017 04:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 04:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 04:24 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Do you know why so many rivalries only date back to 1944? It is because many schools suspended teams during the peak of WWII due to a manpower shortage. IMO, this severely skews your survey. Except for WWII Auburn played Georgia continually since 1894. Auburn played Georgia Tech continually since 1892 until 1944, and then again until 1978.

I understand it was the war, but it doesn't matter here. A matchup only has to be active and to have been played for 30 straight years up to the present to make the list. Anything beyond 30 is just gravy. No matchups in the list would change, just the year in parentheses.

It is however relevant to the quality of a rival that it has endured 100 years as opposed to thirty, particularly as it relates to the importance of keeping, or abandoning the rivalry.

I can add more chronological information, but I'm relying on those here who already know about the rivalries in the poll to help determine whether they're essential or not.

If anyone disputes my specific placement of any rivalries under the essential or non-essential lists, please let me know! Those were just the ones I thought I was sure about. :)

That's fine, it's your project. I was just noting the difference in perspectives. I'm old enough that the South Carolina and Arkansas are still newbies in the SEC to me. Most of my life we traveled to Atlanta every other year for Tech and had a pep rally and parade when we played them here. Auburn / Alabama were stopped after endless contention over a wide array of oft debated issues, but those grew violent when Alabama used its political influence to try to close Auburn by making several pushes to do so from the late 1800's through the 1920's. When a dispute following one of the games allegedly resulted in a homicide the game was stopped and not resumed until an act of the Alabama legislature mandated it. But Auburn has 3 major rivals historically. Tech was a big deal. It ended when they joined the ACC. Georgia is more like two siblings getting ticked enough to fight. We simply hate the Bammers.

I just note that often on this board if it happened before Millennials were born it's like it never happened. 03-wink
10-06-2017 06:43 PM
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
I'm genuinely curious:

Why would you consider among others Georgia/Vandy, Texas/TxTech, LSU/MissState 'rivals'? LSU/Ole Miss without a doubt, but MSU?

Just because two teams have played a bunch, doesn't mean they're 'rivals'. I don't think Pitt/PennState is a rivalry as much as we think it is. Pitt/WV absolutely though
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Part 2 of 2)
(10-06-2017 12:25 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  NOTE: OTHER POLL IS HERE!!!



And I'm fairly certain these are not essential:

Air Force/Wyoming (1980)
Auburn/Mississippi State (1955)
Ball State/Central Michigan (1977)
Ball State/Eastern Michigan (1973)
Ball State/Toledo (1975)
Central Michigan/Toledo (1975)
Clemson/Wake Forest (1953)
Eastern Michigan/Toledo (1977)
Florida/Kentucky (1967)
Georgia/Kentucky (1956)
Georgia Tech/North Carolina (1980)
Georgia Tech/Virginia (1982)
Iowa State/Kansas (1932)
Kent State/Miami-OH (1955)
Kent State/Ohio (1949)
Toledo/Western Michigan (1950)

One of the driving forces of the old 16 team WAC breaking up was Air Force being forced into a quad that did not include CSU and WYo and was mostly texas teams. Those games are considered very important and critical to all three teams and Air Force wanted no part of losing games with CSU and WYo.
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Poll #2)
(10-06-2017 08:06 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  I'm genuinely curious:

Why would you consider among others Georgia/Vandy, Texas/TxTech, LSU/MissState 'rivals'? LSU/Ole Miss without a doubt, but MSU?

Just because two teams have played a bunch, doesn't mean they're 'rivals'. I don't think Pitt/PennState is a rivalry as much as we think it is. Pitt/WV absolutely though

I don't necessarily consider any matchups in the poll to be rivalries. That's why I made the poll. The fact is that these pairs of teams have played each other a lot, and for at least 30 years up to the present, so I just wanted to get the opinions of those here who are more knowledgable about the sport than I am.
10-08-2017 12:40 PM
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RE: Essential FBS Rivalries? (Poll #2)
(10-06-2017 10:24 PM)billings Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 12:25 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  NOTE: OTHER POLL IS HERE!!!



And I'm fairly certain these are not essential:

Air Force/Wyoming (1980)
Auburn/Mississippi State (1955)
Ball State/Central Michigan (1977)
Ball State/Eastern Michigan (1973)
Ball State/Toledo (1975)
Central Michigan/Toledo (1975)
Clemson/Wake Forest (1953)
Eastern Michigan/Toledo (1977)
Florida/Kentucky (1967)
Georgia/Kentucky (1956)
Georgia Tech/North Carolina (1980)
Georgia Tech/Virginia (1982)
Iowa State/Kansas (1932)
Kent State/Miami-OH (1955)
Kent State/Ohio (1949)
Toledo/Western Michigan (1950)

One of the driving forces of the old 16 team WAC breaking up was Air Force being forced into a quad that did not include CSU and WYo and was mostly texas teams. Those games are considered very important and critical to all three teams and Air Force wanted no part of losing games with CSU and WYo.

Interesting -- I knew that Air Force objected to being separated from CSU, but I didn't think there was anything strong between AFA and Wyoming, despite how many times they played. I've added AFA/Wyo as an option in the third poll: http://csnbbs.com/thread-829328.html
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