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RE: Most Underperforming G5 Football Programs
Rice and Tulane are small schools with high standards in pro sports markets. They aren't underperforming.

Miami U. has underperformed over the last decade, but that may just be coaching issues.

UNLV is the school I would list as underperforming. They are large, have resources and are right next door to California.

Second on the list would be Memphis. They have done well the last 3 years, but not the prior 100. They have some of the best fan support, no pro sports and Enormous State University is all the way across the state.
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UNLV
Fresno State
New Mexico
UTEP
Colorado State
San Jose State
Hawaii
Memphis
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UConn
Ohio
Buffalo
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(10-06-2017 02:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  Rice and Tulane are small schools with high standards in pro sports markets. They aren't underperforming.

Miami U. has underperformed over the last decade, but that may just be coaching issues.

UNLV is the school I would list as underperforming. They are large, have resources and are right next door to California.

Second on the list would be Memphis. They have done well the last 3 years, but not the prior 100. They have some of the best fan support, no pro sports and Enormous State University is all the way across the state.

I respectfully disagree.

Northwestern is in the 3rd largest combined statistical area with 5 professional big 4 sports teams. USNWR Ranking #11. ~8,400 undergrads.

Stanford is in the 5th largest combined statistical area with 6 professional big 4 sports teams. USNWR Ranking #5. ~7,000 undergrads.

Duke is the 29th largest combined statistical area with 1 professional big 4 sports team. USNWR Ranking #9. ~6,500 undergrads.

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SMU is in the 7th largest combined statistical area with 4 professional big 4 sports teams. USNWR Ranking #61. ~6,500 undergrads.

Rice is in the 9th largest combined statistical area with 3 professional big 4 sports teams. USNWR Ranking #14. ~4,000 undergrads.

Tulane is in the 36th largest combined statistical area with 2 professional big 4 sports teams. USNWR Ranking #40. ~8,500 undergrads.

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It would seem to me the biggest difference is academic rankings.
10-06-2017 02:41 PM
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I would say UConn football isn't living up to expectations. I was there in the 1st Edsal years UConn was always decent I would say slightly above average. 8-5 or whatever. UConn spends a lot of money you want some return. We get plenty of you're average college kids from New Jersey you'd think we could pull some of the football players.
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(10-06-2017 02:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  Rice and Tulane are small schools with high standards in pro sports markets. They aren't underperforming.

Miami U. has underperformed over the last decade, but that may just be coaching issues.

UNLV is the school I would list as underperforming. They are large, have resources and are right next door to California.

Second on the list would be Memphis. They have done well the last 3 years, but not the prior 100. They have some of the best fan support, no pro sports and Enormous State University is all the way across the state.

Memphis did nothing in football the last 100 years? By what measure? We were nationally relevant and competitive in the '60s and '70s, and were ranked #14 in 1963, with a 9-0-1 record, the tie being to #2 Ole Miss, who finished ranked #3 that year. We also have beaten every team in the SEC except one, whom we haven't played yet.

We didn't go to bowl games for decades b/c we played as independents in football (not in basketball), and you had to win a league most times to go to a bowl.

We were also pretty damn good in the 2000s, going to 5 bowl games in 6 years (2003-08), and also the last 3.

Not the greatest football program ever, but sure as hell not irrelevant for 100 years, and only appearing in the last 3.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/memphis/
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The bottom line is, if your school administration wants to make sports a priority you will be successful, if they don't it is difficult. At TCU I've have lived through both. These schools that you think should be successful and are not, probably have an administration that pays lip service to sports. The results are predictable.
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(10-06-2017 01:37 PM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  I would throw my Alma Mater in there at the moment. Miami University. They set the foundation for greatness of "small" schools back in the 70s by beating three straight SEC teams in bowl games, a huge upset of LSU in 1986 and an AP Top Ten ranking in 2003 with Roethlisberger, and was on the list of the Top 25 all time wins, but have now since hit the crapper since 2003 (save for a couple bowl games 2010,2016). Did have 6 straight wins last year, but gift wrapped the bowl win last year to Mississippi State, have now lost 12 straight to the Bearcats and off to a grim 2-3 start this year. The climb back to respect seems to still be a mountain in front of us!

I agree with this. Reading up on Miami of Ohio's history, it's insane how good they used to be. (Then from what I understand, basically it was deemed only Ohio St could have graduate programs which killed Miami of Ohio and Ohio U - and presumably Cinci too)
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RE: Most Underperforming G5 Football Programs
Toledo, Western Michigan, Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan and Northern Illinois all are up and down like a Yo-Yo. They all are like a P5 killers at times, but at the end, wind up losing. Central Michigan beat Oklahoma State, and wound up 6-6 on the season. They usually under-perform in the bowls as well after having better win records.

Sadly, Boise State just under-perform the last few years. Harsin was not their answer to replaced Petersen. They should have gotten somebody that was coaching under him when he left to continue where he left off.
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(10-06-2017 04:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Toledo, Western Michigan, Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan and Northern Illinois all are up and down like a Yo-Yo. They all are like a P5 killers at times, but at the end, wind up losing. Central Michigan beat Oklahoma State, and wound up 6-6 on the season. They usually under-perform in the bowls as well after having better win records.

Sadly, Boise State just under-perform the last few years. Harsin was not their answer to replaced Petersen. They should have gotten somebody that was coaching under him when he left to continue where he left off.

All our coaches leave. We all work from the same budget. Central Michigan might be 10-2 one year, their coach is hired away, and they go 6-6 the next year. Meanwhile, Ball St's hired a great coach and they go from 6-6 the year CMU went 10-2 and go 11-1 the year CMU goes 6-6. (as an example)

It's why Bowling Green St can steamroll Indiana one year, then go 2-10 the next.

Also, looking at Harsin's resume, looks to me like he was very qualified (and had ties to Boise St too). I can see why they went with him. Also, is it possible the coach before Harsin took a lot of his coordinators and the like to Washington? (That's what Fleck did when he left WMU and went to Minnesota. I think there was like one coordinator who didn't go, and he went to UMASS)
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