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What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
The bill that has passed the House makes an exception for life endangerment of the mother.

Basically, we're joining the rest of the civilized world (including liberal Europe) and putting a restriction on how late in the pregnancy.

Of course, groups like Planned Parenthood (who insist late term abortions are rare) have no recourse except to claim some kind of slippery slope fallacy.
10-05-2017 04:28 PM
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RE: What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
(10-05-2017 04:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The bill that has passed the House makes an exception for life endangerment of the mother.

Basically, we're joining the rest of the civilized world (including liberal Europe) and putting a restriction on how late in the pregnancy.

Of course, groups like Planned Parenthood (who insist late term abortions are rare) have no recourse except to claim some kind of slippery slope fallacy.

Most of those civilized countries don't allow their subjects to own guns either.

I don't think federal government has the right to do anything on this.
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10-05-2017 04:41 PM
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RE: What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
(10-05-2017 04:41 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 04:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The bill that has passed the House makes an exception for life endangerment of the mother.

Basically, we're joining the rest of the civilized world (including liberal Europe) and putting a restriction on how late in the pregnancy.

Of course, groups like Planned Parenthood (who insist late term abortions are rare) have no recourse except to claim some kind of slippery slope fallacy.

Most of those civilized countries don't allow their subjects to own guns either.

I don't the federal government has the right to do anything on this.

If the federal government has no say on life & death then why do we have laws against murder?
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RE: What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
(10-05-2017 05:01 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 04:41 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 04:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  The bill that has passed the House makes an exception for life endangerment of the mother.

Basically, we're joining the rest of the civilized world (including liberal Europe) and putting a restriction on how late in the pregnancy.

Of course, groups like Planned Parenthood (who insist late term abortions are rare) have no recourse except to claim some kind of slippery slope fallacy.

Most of those civilized countries don't allow their subjects to own guns either.

I don't the federal government has the right to do anything on this.

If the federal government has no say on life & death then why do we have laws against murder?

I didn't say we couldn't have laws on this. I said I don't think the federal government has the authority to do anything on this. I fail to see where this power is granted to them.
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RE: What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
The 5th Amendment offers protections to our "life, liberty, or property," noting we cannot be deprived of any of them without due process of law.

No one would argue that in an abortion a life is taken and there is no process of law before taking each life.

The question has always been when does an unborn qualify as an American citizen whose life is guaranteed protection via the Constitution.
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RE: What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
Do you really want the government making your wife's medical decisions?

That's where this ends. The state statistics say procedure a is more likely to keep your baby alive so your doctor will have no legal choice in treatment.
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RE: What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
(10-05-2017 08:22 PM)Claw Wrote:  Do you really want the government making your wife's medical decisions?

That's where this ends. The state statistics say procedure a is more likely to keep your baby alive so your doctor will have no legal choice in treatment.

I want the government to protect innocent life.
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RE: What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
(10-05-2017 09:17 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 08:22 PM)Claw Wrote:  Do you really want the government making your wife's medical decisions?

That's where this ends. The state statistics say procedure a is more likely to keep your baby alive so your doctor will have no legal choice in treatment.

I want the government to protect innocent life.

Can they do it better than you? You need to really think about that.

Once you let them have that power, you will never regain control. Sure, today maybe it's no abortion past 20 weeks. But what will it be after that? Once you concede they have that power, they can change the rules. Then you are powerless.
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RE: What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
(10-05-2017 08:22 PM)Claw Wrote:  Do you really want the government making your wife's medical decisions?

That's where this ends. The state statistics say procedure a is more likely to keep your baby alive so your doctor will have no legal choice in treatment.

Medical decision for personal convenience or for survival?

Big difference in the statistics when comparing the two.
10-06-2017 12:13 AM
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RE: What's wrong with banning abortion after 20 weeks?
(10-05-2017 10:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 09:17 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(10-05-2017 08:22 PM)Claw Wrote:  Do you really want the government making your wife's medical decisions?

That's where this ends. The state statistics say procedure a is more likely to keep your baby alive so your doctor will have no legal choice in treatment.

I want the government to protect innocent life.

Can they do it better than you? You need to really think about that.

Once you let them have that power, you will never regain control. Sure, today maybe it's no abortion past 20 weeks. But what will it be after that? Once you concede they have that power, they can change the rules. Then you are powerless.

The government already protects innocent life with laws against murder.

These laws have even been applied in some cases to protect unborn children, e.g. filing two counts of murder when a pregnant woman is killed.

The unborn baby is a living human being. Distinct DNA. Human DNA.
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