http://flathatnews.com/2017/10/02/black-...=hootsuite

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktake...lliam-mary

https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/10/bl...ech-event/

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com...-and-mary/

https://www.facebook.com/builtonourbacks/

Lots of commentary on the Internet ... no need to post it here. The situation is clear at our Alma Mater, and it's only a matter of time until intercollegiate athletics at the College gets drawn into this maelstrom.

When a movement refuses to engage in civil debate and suppresses the views of the opposition, exalts nationalism, race or religion to the detriment of all others it would seem to constitute fascism, would it not?

(10-05-2017 03:17 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  When a movement refuses to engage in civil debate and suppress the views of the opposition, exalts nationalism, race or religion to the detriment of all others it would seem to constitute fascism, would it not?

Agreed, LeadBolt. We live in interesting times.

(10-05-2017 02:22 PM)nj alum Wrote:  Lots of commentary on the Internet ... no need to post it here. The situation is clear at our Alma Mater, and it's only a matter of time until intercollegiate athletics at the College gets drawn into this maelstrom.

So, the maelstrom here is: a) the ACLU's on-going, and longstanding, internal debate about their mission with respect to the First Amendment, and/or, b) how the school promotes and protects diversity and maintains an environment for campus groups to have their voice/opinions heard and acted on, based on civil, open dialog, without intimidation by campus groups or administration.

Sorry, I don't follow the segway to intercollegiate athletics at the College ??

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(10-05-2017 02:22 PM)nj alum Wrote:  http://flathatnews.com/2017/10/02/black-...=hootsuite

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktake...lliam-mary

https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/10/bl...ech-event/

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com...-and-mary/

https://www.facebook.com/builtonourbacks/

Lots of commentary on the Internet ... no need to post it here. The situation is clear at our Alma Mater, and it's only a matter of time until intercollegiate athletics at the College gets drawn into this maelstrom.

Fun fact: the strongest maelstrom in the world is Saltstraumen in Norway.

(10-05-2017 03:45 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 02:22 PM)nj alum Wrote:  Lots of commentary on the Internet ... no need to post it here. The situation is clear at our Alma Mater, and it's only a matter of time until intercollegiate athletics at the College gets drawn into this maelstrom.

So, the maelstrom here is: a) the ACLU's on-going, and longstanding, internal debate about their mission with respect to the First Amendment, and/or, b) how the school promotes and protects diversity and maintains an environment for campus groups to have their voice/opinions heard and acted on, based on civil, open dialog, without intimidation by campus groups or administration.

Sorry, I don't follow the segway to intercollegiate athletics at the College ??

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Neither did Mizzou...

(10-05-2017 03:45 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 02:22 PM)nj alum Wrote:  Lots of commentary on the Internet ... no need to post it here. The situation is clear at our Alma Mater, and it's only a matter of time until intercollegiate athletics at the College gets drawn into this maelstrom.

So, the maelstrom here is: a) the ACLU's on-going, and longstanding, internal debate about their mission with respect to the First Amendment, and/or, b) how the school promotes and protects diversity and maintains an environment for campus groups to have their voice/opinions heard and acted on, based on civil, open dialog, without intimidation by campus groups or administration.

Sorry, I don't follow the segway to intercollegiate athletics at the College ??

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http://www.dailywire.com/news/16288/univ...t-hamilton

72% drop in athletics donations

Closure of seven residence halls

35% enrollment decrease

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/16/mizzou...-protests/

Potential loss of 400 jobs

http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/mis...39139.html

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...24709.html

20% decline in football attendance

http://www.columbiatribune.com/ee4f1d5c-...f34d5.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/un...llout.html

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/educa...481fc.html

http://thecomeback.com/ncaa/enrollment-d...-fans.html

Empty dorms rented for football fans.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/21480/upda...es-barrett

It's football program is now a dumpster fire.

Did I spell it out clearly enough for you?

So much of this - and much of the current news stream, even the media themselves - is simply being disrespectful. It's become acceptable. Period.

Being respectful used to be a common value. It just seems to have vanished as part of our culture.

Preventing a discussion of the first amendment to our great constitution. Does BLM have any idea how absurd that is? MLK would not be proud.

I wonder how some of our distinguished alumni, like say Thomas Jefferson would feel about this stunt.

A sad day for my Alma Mater.

Where is Gene Nickel when we need him? Seriously, this what happens when you sanction corrupt gangs like blm. The current issue of the alumni rag is devoted to the black community on campus. Not much mention of blm.

(10-05-2017 06:21 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  I wonder how some of our distinguished alumni, like say Thomas Jefferson would feel about this stunt.

I'm sure these activists don't care. They hate Thomas Jefferson. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if some in this group were responsible for painting the TJ statue last year. This isn't a discussion or dialogue about different viewpoints. This is a group trying to completely shut down discussion and create a media scene for their agenda. Even if their points are completely valid (they aren't), it is totally unacceptable at a university to shout away anything you don't agree with. I don't take issue that it happened, kids are passionate about their causes. I take issue that the university allowed the disturbance to continue and overtake the words of an invited guest speaker. Not OK at any university, especially my Alma mater.

It must gripe the hell out of some of the posters to this board to find themselves (at least in this instance) on the side of the ACLU. FWIW, I'm 100% on the side of dialogue, not monologue.

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It's unfortunate. I mean, I search Twitter for recruits and I have to shuffle through this stuff. It's really putting me out.

I could fix this is a minute: two teams, Thomas Sowell and Ben Shapiro vs James Carville and Bernie Sanders. Each side has to argue opposing views...3 minutes each topic.

Done.

Good idea...except BLM students would shut the debate down due to the presence of a known Jewish Nazi and an Uncle Tom black man.

protest all you want but you should not be able to shut down speech... school needs to get a handle on this.

I'm hoping that the school was surprised by the protesters and that now they are forming an action plan to ensure they are prepared when this happens again. There was too much media attention, so it will definitely happen again.

I'm not sure they want to go there in a college environment, but on capitol hill, if there is a disruption to the business of the day (ie, activists yelling while in session) they are issued 3 warnings and then arrested for unauthorized assembly and trespassing. Of course arresting students is another pickle of a situation. But, there has to be a means to reign in students. I'm all for protesting and free speech, but there is a time and place for it. Shouting down an invited speaker and taking over a forum ain't it.

What can be done without law enforcement? Perhaps school ramifications? I'm sure mom and dad don't want to hear that Johnny get suspended or expelled for unauthorized protesting. I'm sure there are legal ramifications there too. If W&M is being proactive they would meet with their lawyers and come up with a game plan. Protests aren't new. I'm sure there is some precedent at the college level.

It’s okay that anyone would protest. Everyone in this country has free speech and the right of assembly.

That being said there are limits. The ACLU afforded BLM time to read a statement after BLM got their attention through protest. That’s okay in my book. Where this went off the rails was that BLM didn’t reciprocate.
Either a debate or allowing each side to present their opinions was appropriate and BLM didn’t let that happen.
W&M is a liberal arts institution. This was a presentation on first amendment rights. How much more irony could BLM inject into the situation?


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If I was on the Presidential Search Committee, I would ask each candidate (a) how they would have handled this situation, and (b) how they would handle this situation should it occur again.

I would also ask each candidate a series of questions © about TJ's statue, and (d) the names of various residence halls.

The answer to these questions would go a long way in determining which candidate I would support.

When the new President is chosen, that President's responses to the issues outlined above will go a long way in determining whether I continue to provide financial support to the College.

Issues around free speech and how administrations are handling it, including hate speech, has been an ongoing and rising issue at schools across the country for several years now. Hard to believe the College does not already have a policy and procedure in place for how to handle this.

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Good article discussing the incident and possible ramifications to the protesters.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017...z0.twitter