(10-04-2017 01:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 01:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Wonder what the status would be if Chicago was removed. You know the liberal utopia as it relates to gun control laws.

It would look a lot better in Chicago if the white folks outside of Chicago responsible for many of the guns used in Chicago crimes were put out of business.

should car manufacturers be held responsible for terrorist acts involving cars?

What if I bash somebodys head in with a Hammer? Is Eastwing responsible?



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There are identifiable gun merchants who are responsible for distributing a huge number of guns used in crimes.

I don't think there are car dealerships that have a large number of sales of cars used in terrorism.

That being said, all car dealers should be closed and we should buy cars direct from the manufacturer.

I think those merchants you're talking about were Fast and Furious.

(10-04-2017 11:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 07:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Interesting that Switzerland would be so low.

Two different gun cultures. I'm not going to pretend to know Switzerland, but looking at our gun culture it's very much a "look at my manhood" thing outside of protection. In Switzerland, it's a militia mentality.

I was having a discussion with someone from Ireland the other day. Their discussion is, "Why do we even have an army?" Very different attitude than here. As is Switzerland.

There are a lot of nations that have been benefiting from our policing the world. They can turn money usually necessary for self defense into other social programs. But when they do that and criticize our military it's irksome. If they all pulled their weight in defending free societies the national debt of the U.S. would be proportionately smaller. We tend to forget that here and they certainly conveniently forget about it elsewhere.

I know things are getting tight here now. We're talking for the first time since WWI about why others need to pay their share. Great Britain did as well before the death of their Empire.

The ol' Guns vs Butter discussion.

It's easy to put your $$$ toward Butter when the US is handling the Guns side of the house.

(10-05-2017 12:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 12:30 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 07:09 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Interesting that Switzerland would be so low.

Two different gun cultures. I'm not going to pretend to know Switzerland, but looking at our gun culture it's very much a "look at my manhood" thing outside of protection. In Switzerland, it's a militia mentality.

From what I understand about Switzerland, they have traditionally had reasonable concern about being invaded by the more aggressive European nations. They have the mandatory service and it is primarily to ensure that there is always a pool of capable soldiers available to their national military. Just about any able-bodied Swiss (sans objectors and non-qualifiers) has been trained to in some way contribute to the national defense in an invasion scenario. They've also got enough capacity in their bunkers to shield their entire population from a nuclear assault. Switzerland is well-armed and highly-defensible, the ultimate deterrent.

Remember, the Swiss have a long history of providing mercenaries. That's why we have the Swiss guard the Pope. Even though those days are largely over, the militia mentality has been a large part of Swiss male life for a long time. That provides their approach to guns.

So it isn't the guns then.

Nope, it's the various gun cultures in the US. As I've said, it's based too much off of commercialized macho-ness and looking cool.

Girls shooting in bikinis, tying guns in with muddy trucks, and other pictures of badassery on one side to a gangster carrying it in his waistband on another. Those all tie into an unhealthy culture around guns in America, IMO.

(10-05-2017 01:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 12:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 12:30 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 07:09 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 04:36 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Two different gun cultures. I'm not going to pretend to know Switzerland, but looking at our gun culture it's very much a "look at my manhood" thing outside of protection. In Switzerland, it's a militia mentality.

From what I understand about Switzerland, they have traditionally had reasonable concern about being invaded by the more aggressive European nations. They have the mandatory service and it is primarily to ensure that there is always a pool of capable soldiers available to their national military. Just about any able-bodied Swiss (sans objectors and non-qualifiers) has been trained to in some way contribute to the national defense in an invasion scenario. They've also got enough capacity in their bunkers to shield their entire population from a nuclear assault. Switzerland is well-armed and highly-defensible, the ultimate deterrent.

Remember, the Swiss have a long history of providing mercenaries. That's why we have the Swiss guard the Pope. Even though those days are largely over, the militia mentality has been a large part of Swiss male life for a long time. That provides their approach to guns.

So it isn't the guns then.

Nope, it's the various gun cultures in the US. As I've said, it's based too much off of commercialized macho-ness and looking cool.

Girls shooting in bikinis, tying guns in with muddy trucks, and other pictures of badassery on one side to a gangster carrying it in his waistband on another. Those all tie into an unhealthy culture around guns in America, IMO.

You seem to blame redneck culture and thug life, but none of these mass shooters have subscribed to those identities. Of course, we don't know anything about this Vegas guy yet, but it seems the rest of them have been loners and outcasts plotting revenge on the world, not rednecks in a dick measuring contest. I'm just not seeing the link to make a judgement that girls shooting in bikinis or muddy trucks are unhealthy.

(10-05-2017 01:07 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 01:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 12:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 12:30 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 07:09 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  From what I understand about Switzerland, they have traditionally had reasonable concern about being invaded by the more aggressive European nations. They have the mandatory service and it is primarily to ensure that there is always a pool of capable soldiers available to their national military. Just about any able-bodied Swiss (sans objectors and non-qualifiers) has been trained to in some way contribute to the national defense in an invasion scenario. They've also got enough capacity in their bunkers to shield their entire population from a nuclear assault. Switzerland is well-armed and highly-defensible, the ultimate deterrent.

Remember, the Swiss have a long history of providing mercenaries. That's why we have the Swiss guard the Pope. Even though those days are largely over, the militia mentality has been a large part of Swiss male life for a long time. That provides their approach to guns.

So it isn't the guns then.

Nope, it's the various gun cultures in the US. As I've said, it's based too much off of commercialized macho-ness and looking cool.

Girls shooting in bikinis, tying guns in with muddy trucks, and other pictures of badassery on one side to a gangster carrying it in his waistband on another. Those all tie into an unhealthy culture around guns in America, IMO.

You seem to blame redneck culture and thug life, but none of these mass shooters have subscribed to those identities. Of course, we don't know anything about this Vegas guy yet, but it seems the rest of them have been loners and outcasts plotting revenge on the world, not rednecks in a dick measuring contest. I'm just not seeing the link to make a judgement that girls shooting in bikinis or muddy trucks are unhealthy.

I wasn't speaking on this issue or mass murders specifically, but gun violence in general.

(10-04-2017 11:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Wonder what the status would be if Chicago was removed. You know the liberal utopia as it relates to gun control laws.

It would look a lot better in Chicago if the white folks outside of Chicago responsible for many of the guns used in Chicago crimes were put out of business.

Wait. White people are going to Chicago and giving guns out and encouraging people to do drive by shooting?

(10-05-2017 02:14 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Wonder what the status would be if Chicago was removed. You know the liberal utopia as it relates to gun control laws.

It would look a lot better in Chicago if the white folks outside of Chicago responsible for many of the guns used in Chicago crimes were put out of business.

Wait. White people are going to Chicago and giving guns out and encouraging people to do drive by shooting?

LOL, did you expect anything different?

(10-05-2017 02:47 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(10-05-2017 02:14 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-04-2017 11:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Wonder what the status would be if Chicago was removed. You know the liberal utopia as it relates to gun control laws.

It would look a lot better in Chicago if the white folks outside of Chicago responsible for many of the guns used in Chicago crimes were put out of business.

Wait. White people are going to Chicago and giving guns out and encouraging people to do drive by shooting?

LOL, did you expect anything different?

With this guy, I'm expecting his response to day something like they pulled the trigger for them too.