(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Actions have consequences. Guess it's good for the kids to learn this early.

I think the coach went too far.

Lawsuit to follow. The courts will end up deciding the extent to which employers can limit free speech.

(10-02-2017 01:10 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Actions have consequences. Guess it's good for the kids to learn this early.

I think the coach went too far.

Lawsuit to follow. The courts will end up deciding the extent to which employers can limit free speech.

I think it's a private school so if that happens, that coach will lose might lose his job and the school will settle out of court.

(10-02-2017 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 11:25 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 11:21 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  If your boss started playing the National anthem at work and told you to sit/kneel or you would be fired, how would that go over?

I would have to make the decision to follow the directive or risk being terminated

And what if he forced you to take off your uniform in front of everyone?

If I had an undershirt and gym shortson under I don't see the big deal?

Are you saying he ordered the students to strip nakedin public? If so that would probably be a violation but thats not what happened is it?

(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Actions have consequences. Guess it's good for the kids to learn this early.

I think the coach went too far.

I think it's borderline, depends on what was on under their pads. I think he would have been better served to tell them to head back to the locker room and take off their uniforms there.

I think the better punishment would have been to bench them and give them the opportunity to re-assess their Anthem stance each game going forward.

Sit for the anthem and you get a DNP-Coach's Decision in the box score.

(10-02-2017 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:41 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Actions have consequences. Guess it's good for the kids to learn this early.

I think the coach went too far.

Coach is the boss, boss said not, kids didn't learn, boss fired kids. Not that hard to understand. More than anything, hopefully the kids learned a lesson.

I think this was a private school so he may be in the clear but if this is a public school, I believe he would be violating federal law.

Oh this outta be good, nearly every time you site "federal law" it's an adventure... So tell me which law?

(10-02-2017 01:22 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 11:25 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 11:21 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  If your boss started playing the National anthem at work and told you to sit/kneel or you would be fired, how would that go over?

I would have to make the decision to follow the directive or risk being terminated

And what if he forced you to take off your uniform in front of everyone?

If I had an undershirt and gym shortson under I don't see the big deal?

Are you saying he ordered the students to strip nakedin public? If so that would probably be a violation but thats not what happened is it?

Acccording to the article, he made them take their uniform pants off. Nowadays, most kids were paded spandex shorts underneath their pants but not all. Some just wear their jocks.

The coach has nothing to worry about in regards to his job. He started the school he coaches for.

(10-02-2017 11:21 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  If your boss started playing the National anthem at work and told you to sit/kneel or you would be fired, how would that go over?

In what state?

Also, quick point.... The kids were kicked off a voluntary activity at school, not kicked out of school.

(10-02-2017 01:10 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Actions have consequences. Guess it's good for the kids to learn this early.

I think the coach went too far.

Lawsuit to follow. The courts will end up deciding the extent to which employers can limit free speech.

Not likely. This was a private school. So it's just like an employer-employee situation basically. Employers are not the government in this case so they can limit your free speech as they so choose.

Also, in right-to-work states they can fire you for pretty much anything they wish.

Public schools on the other hand cannot limit these protests as it will run afoul of the SCOTUS in the West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette case.

(10-02-2017 01:23 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I think the better punishment would have been to bench them and give them the opportunity to re-assess their Anthem stance each game going forward.

Sit for the anthem and you get a DNP-Coach's Decision in the box score.

They were quitting the team anyway.

(10-02-2017 01:23 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:41 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Actions have consequences. Guess it's good for the kids to learn this early.

I think the coach went too far.

Coach is the boss, boss said not, kids didn't learn, boss fired kids. Not that hard to understand. More than anything, hopefully the kids learned a lesson.

I think this was a private school so he may be in the clear but if this is a public school, I believe he would be violating federal law.

Oh this outta be good, nearly every time you site "federal law" it's an adventure... So tell me which law?

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, SCOTUS 1943

(10-02-2017 01:23 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I think the better punishment would have been to bench them and give them the opportunity to re-assess their Anthem stance each game going forward.

I agree here..

Quote:Sit for the anthem and you get a DNP-Coach's Decision in the box score.

Here I say one warning (single game), two times (three games), third time (off the team)

(10-02-2017 01:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 01:10 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Actions have consequences. Guess it's good for the kids to learn this early.

I think the coach went too far.

Lawsuit to follow. The courts will end up deciding the extent to which employers can limit free speech.

Not likely. This was a private school. So it's just like an employer-employee situation basically. Employers are not the government in this case so they can limit your free speech as they so choose.

Also, in right-to-work states they can fire you for pretty much anything they wish.

Public schools on the other hand cannot limit these protests as it will run afoul of the SCOTUS in the West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette case.

Not even a private school. It's basically a sports program for homeschooled kids.

(10-02-2017 01:25 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 01:23 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I think the better punishment would have been to bench them and give them the opportunity to re-assess their Anthem stance each game going forward.

Sit for the anthem and you get a DNP-Coach's Decision in the box score.

They were quitting the team anyway.

"You can't fire me, I quit." It was lame then and it's lame now.

(10-02-2017 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 01:23 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:41 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think the coach went too far.

Coach is the boss, boss said not, kids didn't learn, boss fired kids. Not that hard to understand. More than anything, hopefully the kids learned a lesson.

I think this was a private school so he may be in the clear but if this is a public school, I believe he would be violating federal law.

Oh this outta be good, nearly every time you site "federal law" it's an adventure... So tell me which law?

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, SCOTUS 1943

You pull that from your many years of practicing law?

(10-02-2017 01:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 01:23 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:41 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think the coach went too far.

Coach is the boss, boss said not, kids didn't learn, boss fired kids. Not that hard to understand. More than anything, hopefully the kids learned a lesson.

I think this was a private school so he may be in the clear but if this is a public school, I believe he would be violating federal law.

Oh this outta be good, nearly every time you site "federal law" it's an adventure... So tell me which law?

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, SCOTUS 1943

They were not being forced to say the pledge, to sing the anthem, or salute the flag. They were being asked not to protest others doing by taking a knee. They could have simply stood and looked at their feet

Want to try again?

(10-02-2017 10:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Actions have consequences. Guess it's good for the kids to learn this early.

I think the coach went too far.

Mindsets like that are why young adults break rules with impunity.

These kids knew the rule, broke the rule and the coach has to punish them or the coach carries no authority and then in the future either these kids or others will break rules knowing the rules carry no weight.

Rules without consistency in enforcement aren't rules.

Shameful. The coach could have handled it better. He could have used it as an opportunity to teach the kids about freedome of speech. Now he just brought a bunch of negative coverage to this school and made it all about him.

(10-02-2017 01:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Shameful. The coach could have handled it better. He could have used it as an opportunity to teach the kids about freedome of speech. Now he just brought a bunch of negative coverage to this school and made it all about him.

I think he did teach them about free speech...

"Do it on your time, not my dime."

Learning that an employer can fire you for free speech is a valuable lesson.

Too many idiots believe that the right to free speech means that they can say anything anywhere and no one can do anything about it...which is flat out wrong...just ask the Dixie Chicks.

the government can not limit your free speech but someone who pays your wages can as can the public in general by not buying your music in the case of the Dixie Chicks.