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(10-04-2017 08:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 12:29 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I've only seen the first 2 episodes. I don't like the opening credits. anything is better than Enterprise's intro, lol I don't like the excessive Klingon. agree Plug in the universal translator already. I have to defend the show a little here as when any Klingon talks to a human, the UT is used and it's translated...but why would two native Klingon speakers use the UT? That's very Bryan Fuller.The story has been good. Not as dark as I expected.

I think the personal relationships are there - like when Michael gives Saru a hip-check to so she can use the terminal he is at. A moment later he does the same thing to get the terminal back. At one point Saru explains his race was at one time basically livestock. Odd, considering he is 7-feet tall and weighs 82 pounds.

Another example is when the captain says something like, "Make a note in the log: On this day my senior officers actually agreed." Michael responds with, "Is sarcasm necessary?" The captain replies, "Necessary? No."

I am not a fan of Abrams Star Trek. If you take away the names, does anything in any of his Trek movies remind you of Star Trek? They are good movies, just not Star Trek. A bit OT there but it really bugs me. I kinda disagree because I enjoyed Star Trek (2009) and Beyond...They did a good job of casting the roles and showing the Kirk-Spock-Bones relationship. I felt like Pine, Quinto, and Urban nailed their roles but so did Zoe Saldana, Anton Yelchin, and Simon Pegg. That said, while I didn't much care for 'Into Darkness'...it made a crap ton of money (which was what Trek needed)

JMHO.

I actually liked the Enterprise intro. Being a self-proclaimed history nut, I enjoyed the brief synopsis of travel through the ages.

I get the use of the Klingon. I just feel there is too much of it. I hate to read movies/TV shows. A little goes a long way. That first episode had enough for a 10-year run. It is nice that they pay enough attention to realize it is Klingon to Klingon but they overlook enough other stuff that they can afford to overlook this.

I thought the Abrams movies were good but they did not embody the spirit of Star Trek.
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(10-08-2017 03:20 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 08:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 12:29 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I've only seen the first 2 episodes. I don't like the opening credits. anything is better than Enterprise's intro, lol I don't like the excessive Klingon. agree Plug in the universal translator already. I have to defend the show a little here as when any Klingon talks to a human, the UT is used and it's translated...but why would two native Klingon speakers use the UT? That's very Bryan Fuller.The story has been good. Not as dark as I expected.

I think the personal relationships are there - like when Michael gives Saru a hip-check to so she can use the terminal he is at. A moment later he does the same thing to get the terminal back. At one point Saru explains his race was at one time basically livestock. Odd, considering he is 7-feet tall and weighs 82 pounds.

Another example is when the captain says something like, "Make a note in the log: On this day my senior officers actually agreed." Michael responds with, "Is sarcasm necessary?" The captain replies, "Necessary? No."

I am not a fan of Abrams Star Trek. If you take away the names, does anything in any of his Trek movies remind you of Star Trek? They are good movies, just not Star Trek. A bit OT there but it really bugs me. I kinda disagree because I enjoyed Star Trek (2009) and Beyond...They did a good job of casting the roles and showing the Kirk-Spock-Bones relationship. I felt like Pine, Quinto, and Urban nailed their roles but so did Zoe Saldana, Anton Yelchin, and Simon Pegg. That said, while I didn't much care for 'Into Darkness'...it made a crap ton of money (which was what Trek needed)

JMHO.

I actually liked the Enterprise intro. Being a self-proclaimed history nut, I enjoyed the brief synopsis of travel through the ages.

I get the use of the Klingon. I just feel there is too much of it. I hate to read movies/TV shows. A little goes a long way. That first episode had enough for a 10-year run. It is nice that they pay enough attention to realize it is Klingon to Klingon but they overlook enough other stuff that they can afford to overlook this.

I thought the Abrams movies were good but they did not embody the spirit of Star Trek.

Enterprise is interesting to me because once it became clear the show was being canceled, they started putting out some REALLY good episodes...I mean, episodes like Babel One, United, The Aenar, Affliction, Divergence, In a Mirror Darkly I&II, and Terra Prime...that's what I wanted Enterprise to be all along.

they learned their lesson too late.

Apparently, they may be on the verge of announcing a season 2 for Discovery.

https://www.polygon.com/tv/2017/10/8/164...-2-renewal
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anyone watching the new Star Trek show?
(10-08-2017 09:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 03:20 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 08:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 12:29 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I've only seen the first 2 episodes. I don't like the opening credits. anything is better than Enterprise's intro, lol I don't like the excessive Klingon. agree Plug in the universal translator already. I have to defend the show a little here as when any Klingon talks to a human, the UT is used and it's translated...but why would two native Klingon speakers use the UT? That's very Bryan Fuller.The story has been good. Not as dark as I expected.

I think the personal relationships are there - like when Michael gives Saru a hip-check to so she can use the terminal he is at. A moment later he does the same thing to get the terminal back. At one point Saru explains his race was at one time basically livestock. Odd, considering he is 7-feet tall and weighs 82 pounds.

Another example is when the captain says something like, "Make a note in the log: On this day my senior officers actually agreed." Michael responds with, "Is sarcasm necessary?" The captain replies, "Necessary? No."

I am not a fan of Abrams Star Trek. If you take away the names, does anything in any of his Trek movies remind you of Star Trek? They are good movies, just not Star Trek. A bit OT there but it really bugs me. I kinda disagree because I enjoyed Star Trek (2009) and Beyond...They did a good job of casting the roles and showing the Kirk-Spock-Bones relationship. I felt like Pine, Quinto, and Urban nailed their roles but so did Zoe Saldana, Anton Yelchin, and Simon Pegg. That said, while I didn't much care for 'Into Darkness'...it made a crap ton of money (which was what Trek needed)

JMHO.

I actually liked the Enterprise intro. Being a self-proclaimed history nut, I enjoyed the brief synopsis of travel through the ages.

I get the use of the Klingon. I just feel there is too much of it. I hate to read movies/TV shows. A little goes a long way. That first episode had enough for a 10-year run. It is nice that they pay enough attention to realize it is Klingon to Klingon but they overlook enough other stuff that they can afford to overlook this.

I thought the Abrams movies were good but they did not embody the spirit of Star Trek.

Enterprise is interesting to me because once it became clear the show was being canceled, they started putting out some REALLY good episodes...I mean, episodes like Babel One, United, The Aenar, Affliction, Divergence, In a Mirror Darkly I&II, and Terra Prime...that's what I wanted Enterprise to be all along.

they learned their lesson too late.

Apparently, they may be on the verge of announcing a season 2 for Discovery.

https://www.polygon.com/tv/2017/10/8/164...-2-renewal

Agree with you on S3 and S4 of ENT. They were so close to creating a TV canon for the Romulan War. If they had dropped the Suliban arc they would have made have made it IMO.

The other thing was for some reason Scott Bakula just didn't work as CO. I don't if it was the script or his acting style but it simply didn't work for me.
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Last episode was a little...mushy I guess would be the right word. Not bad, just a little too emotional for my tastes. The end was pretty groovy, though.

As an aside, is anyone watching The Orville on Fox? That show is not at all what I expected. I went in thinking it would be a "Police Squad" type spoof of Star Trek that would be cute for an episode or two. Instead, it's like Star Trek with better jokes. I'm a fan and would highly recommend giving it a watch if you haven't.
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(10-19-2017 02:33 PM)Lethemeul Wrote:  Last episode was a little...mushy I guess would be the right word. Not bad, just a little too emotional for my tastes. The end was pretty groovy, though.

As an aside, is anyone watching The Orville on Fox? That show is not at all what I expected. I went in thinking it would be a "Police Squad" type spoof of Star Trek that would be cute for an episode or two. Instead, it's like Star Trek with better jokes. I'm a fan and would highly recommend giving it a watch if you haven't.

I've been watching The Orville. It's pretty good. I was like you and thought it would be more on the humor side and less on the sci-fi.

If I had to sum it up, I'd say this was a great explanation when I read it.

"It’s one of those shows that you watch, aren’t quite sure why, but keep on watching anyway."
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(10-08-2017 09:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 03:20 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 08:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 12:29 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I've only seen the first 2 episodes. I don't like the opening credits. anything is better than Enterprise's intro, lol I don't like the excessive Klingon. agree Plug in the universal translator already. I have to defend the show a little here as when any Klingon talks to a human, the UT is used and it's translated...but why would two native Klingon speakers use the UT? That's very Bryan Fuller.The story has been good. Not as dark as I expected.

I think the personal relationships are there - like when Michael gives Saru a hip-check to so she can use the terminal he is at. A moment later he does the same thing to get the terminal back. At one point Saru explains his race was at one time basically livestock. Odd, considering he is 7-feet tall and weighs 82 pounds.

Another example is when the captain says something like, "Make a note in the log: On this day my senior officers actually agreed." Michael responds with, "Is sarcasm necessary?" The captain replies, "Necessary? No."

I am not a fan of Abrams Star Trek. If you take away the names, does anything in any of his Trek movies remind you of Star Trek? They are good movies, just not Star Trek. A bit OT there but it really bugs me. I kinda disagree because I enjoyed Star Trek (2009) and Beyond...They did a good job of casting the roles and showing the Kirk-Spock-Bones relationship. I felt like Pine, Quinto, and Urban nailed their roles but so did Zoe Saldana, Anton Yelchin, and Simon Pegg. That said, while I didn't much care for 'Into Darkness'...it made a crap ton of money (which was what Trek needed)

JMHO.

I actually liked the Enterprise intro. Being a self-proclaimed history nut, I enjoyed the brief synopsis of travel through the ages.

I get the use of the Klingon. I just feel there is too much of it. I hate to read movies/TV shows. A little goes a long way. That first episode had enough for a 10-year run. It is nice that they pay enough attention to realize it is Klingon to Klingon but they overlook enough other stuff that they can afford to overlook this.

I thought the Abrams movies were good but they did not embody the spirit of Star Trek.

Enterprise is interesting to me because once it became clear the show was being canceled, they started putting out some REALLY good episodes...I mean, episodes like Babel One, United, The Aenar, Affliction, Divergence, In a Mirror Darkly I&II, and Terra Prime...that's what I wanted Enterprise to be all along.

they learned their lesson too late.

Apparently, they may be on the verge of announcing a season 2 for Discovery.

https://www.polygon.com/tv/2017/10/8/164...-2-renewal

Do the show writers know that they have given the federation borg like qualities?
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(10-19-2017 02:48 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 02:33 PM)Lethemeul Wrote:  Last episode was a little...mushy I guess would be the right word. Not bad, just a little too emotional for my tastes. The end was pretty groovy, though.

As an aside, is anyone watching The Orville on Fox? That show is not at all what I expected. I went in thinking it would be a "Police Squad" type spoof of Star Trek that would be cute for an episode or two. Instead, it's like Star Trek with better jokes. I'm a fan and would highly recommend giving it a watch if you haven't.

I've been watching The Orville. It's pretty good. I was like you and thought it would be more on the humor side and less on the sci-fi.

If I had to sum it up, I'd say this was a great explanation when I read it.

"It’s one of those shows that you watch, aren’t quite sure why, but keep on watching anyway."

I think their timing is a bit off. I'd like to see the captain develop into that cocky, wise-cracking, love-him-hate-him type that always comes through at the last second. I'm not sure if MacFarlane can pull that off though. I'd also like to see them become the black sheep of the fleet. Some unauthorized engine and weapons mods. Envy of the captains of the big ships. That sort of thing.
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(10-19-2017 06:27 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 09:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 03:20 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 08:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 12:29 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I've only seen the first 2 episodes. I don't like the opening credits. anything is better than Enterprise's intro, lol I don't like the excessive Klingon. agree Plug in the universal translator already. I have to defend the show a little here as when any Klingon talks to a human, the UT is used and it's translated...but why would two native Klingon speakers use the UT? That's very Bryan Fuller.The story has been good. Not as dark as I expected.

I think the personal relationships are there - like when Michael gives Saru a hip-check to so she can use the terminal he is at. A moment later he does the same thing to get the terminal back. At one point Saru explains his race was at one time basically livestock. Odd, considering he is 7-feet tall and weighs 82 pounds.

Another example is when the captain says something like, "Make a note in the log: On this day my senior officers actually agreed." Michael responds with, "Is sarcasm necessary?" The captain replies, "Necessary? No."

I am not a fan of Abrams Star Trek. If you take away the names, does anything in any of his Trek movies remind you of Star Trek? They are good movies, just not Star Trek. A bit OT there but it really bugs me. I kinda disagree because I enjoyed Star Trek (2009) and Beyond...They did a good job of casting the roles and showing the Kirk-Spock-Bones relationship. I felt like Pine, Quinto, and Urban nailed their roles but so did Zoe Saldana, Anton Yelchin, and Simon Pegg. That said, while I didn't much care for 'Into Darkness'...it made a crap ton of money (which was what Trek needed)

JMHO.

I actually liked the Enterprise intro. Being a self-proclaimed history nut, I enjoyed the brief synopsis of travel through the ages.

I get the use of the Klingon. I just feel there is too much of it. I hate to read movies/TV shows. A little goes a long way. That first episode had enough for a 10-year run. It is nice that they pay enough attention to realize it is Klingon to Klingon but they overlook enough other stuff that they can afford to overlook this.

I thought the Abrams movies were good but they did not embody the spirit of Star Trek.

Enterprise is interesting to me because once it became clear the show was being canceled, they started putting out some REALLY good episodes...I mean, episodes like Babel One, United, The Aenar, Affliction, Divergence, In a Mirror Darkly I&II, and Terra Prime...that's what I wanted Enterprise to be all along.

they learned their lesson too late.

Apparently, they may be on the verge of announcing a season 2 for Discovery.

https://www.polygon.com/tv/2017/10/8/164...-2-renewal

Do the show writers know that they have given the federation borg like qualities?

yes, they even bring that up in DS9...a great quote from Michael Eddington in 'for the cause'

"You know, in some ways you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious. You assimilate people and they don't even know it."
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(10-19-2017 02:33 PM)Lethemeul Wrote:  Last episode was a little...mushy I guess would be the right word. Not bad, just a little too emotional for my tastes. The end was pretty groovy, though.

As an aside, is anyone watching The Orville on Fox? That show is not at all what I expected. I went in thinking it would be a "Police Squad" type spoof of Star Trek that would be cute for an episode or two. Instead, it's like Star Trek with better jokes. I'm a fan and would highly recommend giving it a watch if you haven't.

I'd give episode 4 for a somewhat disappointing 7.2 while I give episode 5 an improved 7.5 (the end mirror scene was very interesting and I liked Mudd)

I'm waiting for that 'breakthrough' episode I can give an 8+ to...maybe it's tonight?
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(10-22-2017 05:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 06:27 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 09:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 03:20 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 08:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  JMHO.

I actually liked the Enterprise intro. Being a self-proclaimed history nut, I enjoyed the brief synopsis of travel through the ages.

I get the use of the Klingon. I just feel there is too much of it. I hate to read movies/TV shows. A little goes a long way. That first episode had enough for a 10-year run. It is nice that they pay enough attention to realize it is Klingon to Klingon but they overlook enough other stuff that they can afford to overlook this.

I thought the Abrams movies were good but they did not embody the spirit of Star Trek.

Enterprise is interesting to me because once it became clear the show was being canceled, they started putting out some REALLY good episodes...I mean, episodes like Babel One, United, The Aenar, Affliction, Divergence, In a Mirror Darkly I&II, and Terra Prime...that's what I wanted Enterprise to be all along.

they learned their lesson too late.

Apparently, they may be on the verge of announcing a season 2 for Discovery.

https://www.polygon.com/tv/2017/10/8/164...-2-renewal

Do the show writers know that they have given the federation borg like qualities?

yes, they even bring that up in DS9...a great quote from Michael Eddington in 'for the cause'

"You know, in some ways you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious. You assimilate people and they don't even know it."

I had completely forgotten about that episode. Great pull!
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