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First one of this year has dropped. Sean Kugler is no longer head coach for UTEP. At a minimum, our performance this year has, in part, spurred one change. HC since 2013, Kugler had one winning season: 2014; 7-6 overall; 5-3 T-2nd in C-USA West with Rice; loss in New Mexico Bowl to Utah State. His record is 18-36 through 4.5 seasons.
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UTEP is the worst D1 team I have ever seen, bar none. The 2017 Miners are impressively bad.

At least Kugler was decent enough to step aside.
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Maybe he will start a trend of CUSA coaches stepping down after losing to Army.
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(10-01-2017 05:51 PM)temchugh Wrote:  Maybe he will start a trend of CUSA coaches stepping down after losing to Army.

Rice could lose to Army by 42 Points and Bailiff would keep his job. JK is on record saying he doesn't favor midseason firings. Maybe after the end of the season.

From the November 29, 2016 "Houston Comical"

"It's bowl or bust in 2017

Before the 2015 season, Bailiff seemed to have turned a corner with a Rice program needing resuscitation when he arrived in 2007. The Owls made four bowls in seven years and won a Conference USA title in 2013. The 2008 Texas Bowl victory was the first bowl win for the program since 1954. After that 2013 season, Bailiff signed a five-year contract extension, which ends in 2018.

All the winning seems like a distant memory. Bailiff said he and Rice athletic director Joe Karlgaard met Monday and established a plan to turn things around.

"We plotted a path to the future of what I need to do to improve this program," Bailiff said. "I'm responsible for this program. Everything begins and ends with me."

The plan starts with finding a way to lighten the injury report. Much like the 2015 season, 2016 saw the injuries pile up for Rice. The Owls used eight combinations on the offensive line, and at one point, there wasn't a senior on the defensive line's two-deep list.

Bailiff said that's where the optimism lies, however. Rice isn't losing any key seniors in the trenches and has talents like freshman receiver Kylen Granson and sophomore running back Sam Stewart returning.

There will be new blood at quarterback, too. Rice will have sophomores J.T. Granato and Jackson Tyner and redshirt freshman Sam Glaesmann competing for the starting spot. Tyner impressed in a season-ending 44-24 win over UTEP.

Bailiff expects Rice to have the explosive offense and lockdown defense it has been missing the last two years.

"I have full intentions of being in a bowl game next season," he said.


Karlgaard said earlier in the season that he didn't favor midseason firings and wanted to wait to see how 2016 finished. A comeback win at Charlotte and the home rout of UTEP somewhat lessened the sting of the early-season woes.

Time to recruit

"While we are all disappointed with the results, there is a plan to turn things around under his leadership next season, and I have made the expectations for 2017 very clear to coach," Karlgaard said in a statement released by the school. "After two straight seasons without a winning record, we need to acknowledge that we are not meeting an acceptable competitive standard for this university.

"Our ambitions remain very high. We expect to be competitive in every game and to compete for conference championships. When nearly two-thirds of college football programs participate in bowl games every year - including slots for half of Conference USA members - bowl games should be a regular part of our seasons."


Bailiff said the next step is the recruiting trail, where his assistants are now. Bailiff will be on the road Wednesday in that regard. The Owls have 13 pledges to date for their 2017 class.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/r...643637.php
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(10-01-2017 05:51 PM)temchugh Wrote:  Maybe he will start a trend of CUSA coaches stepping down after losing to Army.

The only other CUSA team Army will face this season besides Rice is UNT, and they're now 3-2 after a good win against USM. Although they do face Rice the week after Army, so if you want to get a new coach off to a good start, that would be a good time to make a change.
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I don't really care if Bailiff steps aside now. It's way too late, and the chasm we have fallen into is deep and wide. I don't think we're getting out of it, barring some truly extraordinary turn of events.

As a collective (and I mean all of Rice), I just don't think we care about showing up for D1 football. We apparently have problems that cripple every aspect of the program, and those few people who really do care don't seem to be able to agree on either the problems to be addressed or the potential solutions.

If I thought something meaningful and positive was going to happen, I would want us to keep football. I think Rice should be a football school. But I no longer see the utility in trying to salvage the program; the signs of life just aren't there.
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(10-01-2017 07:01 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  I don't really care if Bailiff steps aside now. It's way too late, and the chasm we have fallen into is deep and wide. I don't think we're getting out of it, barring some truly extraordinary turn of events.

As a collective (and I mean all of Rice), I just don't think we care about showing up for D1 football. We apparently have problems that cripple every aspect of the program, and those few people who really do care don't seem to be able to agree on either the problems to be addressed or the potential solutions.

If I thought something meaningful and positive was going to happen, I would want us to keep football. I think Rice should be a football school. But I no longer see the utility in trying to salvage the program; the signs of life just aren't there.

We have just dug the hole too deep. He was never going to be the answer.
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On the other hand, Rice has won 3 of its last 4 conference games!
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(10-01-2017 07:01 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  I don't really care if Bailiff steps aside now. It's way too late, and the chasm we have fallen into is deep and wide. I don't think we're getting out of it, barring some truly extraordinary turn of events.

As a collective (and I mean all of Rice), I just don't think we care about showing up for D1 football. We apparently have problems that cripple every aspect of the program, and those few people who really do care don't seem to be able to agree on either the problems to be addressed or the potential solutions.

If I thought something meaningful and positive was going to happen, I would want us to keep football. I think Rice should be a football school. But I no longer see the utility in trying to salvage the program; the signs of life just aren't there.

We will find out one way or the other in the course of events of Monday November 27, 2017.
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(10-01-2017 07:01 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  I don't really care if Bailiff steps aside now. It's way too late, and the chasm we have fallen into is deep and wide. I don't think we're getting out of it, barring some truly extraordinary turn of events.
As a collective (and I mean all of Rice), I just don't think we care about showing up for D1 football. We apparently have problems that cripple every aspect of the program, and those few people who really do care don't seem to be able to agree on either the problems to be addressed or the potential solutions.
If I thought something meaningful and positive was going to happen, I would want us to keep football. I think Rice should be a football school. But I no longer see the utility in trying to salvage the program; the signs of life just aren't there.

Maybe I am the truly Optimistic Owl, but I don't think it's too late. It's late enough that we need to start turning it around in a hurry.

Todd Graham got 7 wins out of a team that had gone 1-11 the prior year with players who had been recruited by someone else to run a totally different offensive scheme and a fairly different defensive scheme, against a much more difficult schedule than Rice will face this year or next. And Todd Graham ain't Knute Rockne or Bear Bryant. I would put a new guy's chance of success next year as much higher than I would have rated Graham's chances at the end of 2005. I think it is entirely possible that we could go 1-11 this year, but with new schemes and better execution could win 7 or 8 times next year.

We have a lot of problems--but a lot of them are correctable. What is frustrating is that we've had the same correctable problems--but no corrections--for over a decade. The shoddy condition of some of the details in the EZF are a problem--but they are not the reason why we blow secondary converges.

I've seen programs in worse shape than this one get well, and sometimes surprisingly quickly.
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I keep hearing the Head Coach at LSU is similar to Bailiff and he sure is. Troy beat LSU 24 to 21.
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(10-01-2017 09:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Maybe I am the truly Optimistic Owl,

You are welcome to the name if you want it.
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Looking back, it is kind of hard to believe how many Mondays I have opened The Parliament on my phone or computer and wondered whether I would see a new thread titled "Bailiff Fired!" or "Bailiff gone". Never seen one (obviously), but as many times as I seriously thought about it just before the page loaded is kind of crazy. The day when it happened with Greenspan was a hopeful day.
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(10-02-2017 12:36 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 09:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Maybe I am the truly Optimistic Owl,
You are welcome to the name if you want it.

Nah. Fits you better.
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(10-02-2017 10:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 12:36 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 09:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Maybe I am the truly Optimistic Owl,
You are welcome to the name if you want it.

Nah. Fits you better.

Fact is, I am by nature the kind of guy who can see the good in a lot of bad situations.
When my nephew's house was flooded out during Harvey, I could say "At least he has his kayak".
I have had a lot of bad things happen to me and mine and yet i can usually find a silver lining. You have to look for it pretty hard sometimes. I liked the way Tyner hit his passes when he was not under pressure. I did not like the way he reacted under pressure. I can choose which of those two to concentrate on.

I am not optimistic about the future of Rice athletics. I damn sure don't think changing coaches is an automatic fix. There is so much wrong with Rice athletics and it has been wrong for as far back as I can remember (I was a freshman in 1963).

If the goal is to get into a P5 conference and then to be a respected opponent and factor, I think the odds are mighty long. But go ahead, i am not standing in your way. Never have been. You don't need my OK. Fire the coach, fire the AD, fire the strength coach. Hire a coach, an AD, a strength coach. And the beat goes on. Ask Sonny and Cher

I think PessimisticOwl is a better name for me. At least it isn't BitchallthetimeOwl.
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Look at how much UNT and UTSA have progressed since their coaching changes. It would be hard to argue this was due in part to better facilities.
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(10-02-2017 11:57 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Look at how much UNT and UTSA have progressed since their coaching changes. It would be hard to argue this was due in part to better facilities.

Don't forget LSU.
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(10-02-2017 11:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 11:57 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Look at how much UNT and UTSA have progressed since their coaching changes. It would be hard to argue this was due in part to better facilities.

Don't forget LSU.

LSU was not a representative choice - selecting a guy with a poor track record who was a "good guy". They will fix it soon.
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(10-02-2017 12:04 PM)Ranger Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 11:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 11:57 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Look at how much UNT and UTSA have progressed since their coaching changes. It would be hard to argue this was due in part to better facilities.

Don't forget LSU.

LSU was not a representative choice - selecting a guy with a poor track record who was a "good guy". They will fix it soon.

I was just going with "coaching changes".
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(10-02-2017 12:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 12:04 PM)Ranger Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 11:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 11:57 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Look at how much UNT and UTSA have progressed since their coaching changes. It would be hard to argue this was due in part to better facilities.

Don't forget LSU.

LSU was not a representative choice - selecting a guy with a poor track record who was a "good guy". They will fix it soon.

I was just going with "coaching changes".

Rice is a bottom 10 team. LSU was a top 25 team. It is a lot easier for a new coach to improve Rice.
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