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RE: ESPN Could Lose More Viewers If No Agreement Be Made With Altice/Suddenlink
(10-01-2017 09:00 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 08:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Then, the other 56% will start cutting the cord. There are more people that don't want ESPN.

exactly even David State can figure it out

cable subscribers are leaving at in larger numbers and at a faster rate than anyone expected and the answer by at least one cable company is to "stand up" and then cave in

so now they can watch subscribers leave them at an even faster rate

all the worse when it is the subscribers with the most choice and the least reason to stay with a company that capitulates to ESPN

of course coogattack thinks that continuing to do the same thing that has resulted in larger and more rapid subscriber losses is somehow a good strategy

just because a business makes a decision that does not mean it is a good one especially when all real world evidence suggest they have no grasp of the issue and are continually surprised by the size and speed of the issue developing around them

NYSE: ATUS <- long term short opportunity to make a lot of money

Its only a short if your running it. Your "solution" is to chase off 44% of your subscribers in one month. Thats why they didnt even allow ABC to cut it off for a day. Look, the point of the discussion here was to predict what was going to happen and you were, as usual, completely wrong. The fact is, Im not saying the current set up is the long term solution. Im saying right now cutting off ESPN would have been a horribly bad move for Suddenlink and that they had little leverage. I was correct.

The truth is, there actually are answers out there to address cord cutting---but the fact is the current cable bundle system is still viable and making more money for cable companies than the alternatives. Cable frankly isnt even really even trying to solve the cord cutter issue. Eventually, as the business continues to erode the cord cutters will become enough of an issue that cable companies will begin to fight back with skinny bundles and a la carte. To my knowledge, Dish is the only cable provider I know of that has finally begun to utilize some of the options available to traditional cable providers to combat the cord cutters. My feeling is that eventually this type of thing (see Dish offer below) will be common among all providers.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/06/dis...-channels/
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RE: ESPN Could Lose More Viewers If No Agreement Be Made With Altice/Suddenlink
(10-01-2017 09:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 09:00 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 08:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Then, the other 56% will start cutting the cord. There are more people that don't want ESPN.

exactly even David State can figure it out

cable subscribers are leaving at in larger numbers and at a faster rate than anyone expected and the answer by at least one cable company is to "stand up" and then cave in

so now they can watch subscribers leave them at an even faster rate

all the worse when it is the subscribers with the most choice and the least reason to stay with a company that capitulates to ESPN

of course coogattack thinks that continuing to do the same thing that has resulted in larger and more rapid subscriber losses is somehow a good strategy

just because a business makes a decision that does not mean it is a good one especially when all real world evidence suggest they have no grasp of the issue and are continually surprised by the size and speed of the issue developing around them

NYSE: ATUS <- long term short opportunity to make a lot of money

Its only a short if your running it. Your "solution" is to chase off 44% of your subscribers in one month. Thats why they didnt even allow ABC to cut it off for a day. Look, the point of the discussion here was to predict what was going to happen and you were, as usual, completely wrong. The fact is, Im not saying the current set up is the long term solution. Im saying right now cutting off ESPN would have been a horribly bad move for Suddenlink and that they had little leverage. I was correct.

The truth is, there actually are answers out there to address cord cutting---but the fact is the current cable bundle system is still viable and making more money for cable companies than the alternatives. Cable frankly isnt even really even trying to solve the cord cutter issue. Eventually, as the business continues to erode the cord cutters will become enough of an issue that cable companies will begin to fight back with skinny bundles and a la carte. To my knowledge, Dish is the only cable provider I know of that has finally begun to utilize some of the options available to traditional cable providers to combat the cord cutters. My feeling is that eventually this type of thing (see Dish offer below) will be common among all providers.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/06/dis...-channels/

Dish doesn't offer that anymore. They are back to their 4 tier bundles like before. Their lowest price bundle is the Top 120 @ $70/month for existing customers. New customers can get it for $50/month for 1 year....but there are hardly any new customers.
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RE: ESPN Could Lose More Viewers If No Agreement Be Made With Altice/Suddenlink
(10-01-2017 09:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 09:00 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 08:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Then, the other 56% will start cutting the cord. There are more people that don't want ESPN.

exactly even David State can figure it out

cable subscribers are leaving at in larger numbers and at a faster rate than anyone expected and the answer by at least one cable company is to "stand up" and then cave in

so now they can watch subscribers leave them at an even faster rate

all the worse when it is the subscribers with the most choice and the least reason to stay with a company that capitulates to ESPN

of course coogattack thinks that continuing to do the same thing that has resulted in larger and more rapid subscriber losses is somehow a good strategy

just because a business makes a decision that does not mean it is a good one especially when all real world evidence suggest they have no grasp of the issue and are continually surprised by the size and speed of the issue developing around them

NYSE: ATUS <- long term short opportunity to make a lot of money

Its only a short if your running it. Your "solution" is to chase off 44% of your subscribers in one month. Thats why they didnt even allow ABC to cut it off for a day. Look, the point of the discussion here was to predict what was going to happen and you were, as usual, completely wrong. The fact is, Im not saying the current set up is the long term solution. Im saying right now cutting off ESPN would have been a horribly bad move for Suddenlink and that they had little leverage. I was correct.

The truth is, there actually are answers out there to address cord cutting---but the fact is the current cable bundle system is still viable and making more money for cable companies than the alternatives. Cable frankly isnt even really even trying to solve the cord cutter issue. Eventually, as the business continues to erode the cord cutters will become enough of an issue that cable companies will begin to fight back with skinny bundles and a la carte. To my knowledge, Dish is the only cable provider I know of that has finally begun to utilize some of the options available to traditional cable providers to combat the cord cutters. My feeling is that eventually this type of thing (see Dish offer below) will be common among all providers.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/06/dis...-channels/

1. I never "predicted" what would happen I stated the position that Altice was in to finally help their business long term and they screwed that up

2. you are not even intelligent enough to understand that to offer "skinny bundles" and a la carte the first step is to stand up to the content providers on cramming and shoving mass content people do not want for too much money down their throats

Altice was stupid enough to cave to that to the detriment of 56% of their subscribers and the group of subs that is cutting the cord the most and the ones they will never get back once they are gone

Altice as an ISP in addition to a cable company had the ability to retain subscribers that wanted ESPN because they can still provide them internet and those subs can get a stream with ESPN

that is exactly what YOU state needs to happen in the future

but of course YOU are not intelligent enough to understand that the future is NOW and subscribers that do not want ESPN are leaving NOW to NEVER return

and Altice took their chance to correct that and flushed it down the toilet and somehow in spite of the fact that YOU stated exactly what needs to happen which is reduced bundles and a la carte YOU cannot grasp that Altice has not lost the ability to make that happen AGAIN

at some point when you are losing a large number of customers at a fast rate you have to stand up to those that are causing it.....Altice choose to not do that

kicking the can down the road is only going to lose then the subs that they have the largest chance to lose and that is those that do not want ESPN and those that have the most other options for a "traditional cable" provider because as I laid out the "cable" market is the one with the most competition in the market Vs the "ISP" market place

Altice being the one that is going to see these Disney/ESPN rate increases first will also be the one that allows other cable companies to monitor the reaction of subscribers and if Altice sees their traditional cable subs leaving in even larger numbers well then other cable companies are going to react to that and hopefully not make the same mistake by caving in to ESPN/Disney

you are so dense you lay out what needs to happen for the future and then in a feigned attempt to be "right" you congratulate the company for making the exact choice that prevents them from doing what YOU said needs to happen for the future

cable companies and the "experts" have only been wrong month after month and quarter after quarter on the number and rate of increase of cord cutting

yet you sit here and pretend that all is well while a company does the EXACT OPPOSITE of what YOU state needs to happen for the future

all while failing to understand that the cable MSO that is also an ISP has the best ability to meet the needs of those that want ESPN and those that do not and the largest number of their subs DO NOT and those are the ones with the most choice and the ones that are leaving cable the fastest

but hey what is a couple more years of larger and larger subscriber losses when you just bought a company with a massive amount of debt on the books with service in a very competitive market that is not exactly sports crazy
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RE: ESPN Could Lose More Viewers If No Agreement Be Made With Altice/Suddenlink
I think something folks fail to realize is there's more than just ESPN. Also included is Disney Channel. Which a lot of kids watch feverishly. And for several places, local ABC stations.
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RE: ESPN Could Lose More Viewers If No Agreement Be Made With Altice/Suddenlink
(10-02-2017 10:09 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 09:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 09:00 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 08:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Then, the other 56% will start cutting the cord. There are more people that don't want ESPN.

exactly even David State can figure it out

cable subscribers are leaving at in larger numbers and at a faster rate than anyone expected and the answer by at least one cable company is to "stand up" and then cave in

so now they can watch subscribers leave them at an even faster rate

all the worse when it is the subscribers with the most choice and the least reason to stay with a company that capitulates to ESPN

of course coogattack thinks that continuing to do the same thing that has resulted in larger and more rapid subscriber losses is somehow a good strategy

just because a business makes a decision that does not mean it is a good one especially when all real world evidence suggest they have no grasp of the issue and are continually surprised by the size and speed of the issue developing around them

NYSE: ATUS <- long term short opportunity to make a lot of money

Its only a short if your running it. Your "solution" is to chase off 44% of your subscribers in one month. Thats why they didnt even allow ABC to cut it off for a day. Look, the point of the discussion here was to predict what was going to happen and you were, as usual, completely wrong. The fact is, Im not saying the current set up is the long term solution. Im saying right now cutting off ESPN would have been a horribly bad move for Suddenlink and that they had little leverage. I was correct.

The truth is, there actually are answers out there to address cord cutting---but the fact is the current cable bundle system is still viable and making more money for cable companies than the alternatives. Cable frankly isnt even really even trying to solve the cord cutter issue. Eventually, as the business continues to erode the cord cutters will become enough of an issue that cable companies will begin to fight back with skinny bundles and a la carte. To my knowledge, Dish is the only cable provider I know of that has finally begun to utilize some of the options available to traditional cable providers to combat the cord cutters. My feeling is that eventually this type of thing (see Dish offer below) will be common among all providers.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/06/dis...-channels/

1. I never "predicted" what would happen I stated the position that Altice was in to finally help their business long term and they screwed that up

2. you are not even intelligent enough to understand that to offer "skinny bundles" and a la carte the first step is to stand up to the content providers on cramming and shoving mass content people do not want for too much money down their throats

Altice was stupid enough to cave to that to the detriment of 56% of their subscribers and the group of subs that is cutting the cord the most and the ones they will never get back once they are gone

Altice as an ISP in addition to a cable company had the ability to retain subscribers that wanted ESPN because they can still provide them internet and those subs can get a stream with ESPN

that is exactly what YOU state needs to happen in the future

but of course YOU are not intelligent enough to understand that the future is NOW and subscribers that do not want ESPN are leaving NOW to NEVER return

and Altice took their chance to correct that and flushed it down the toilet and somehow in spite of the fact that YOU stated exactly what needs to happen which is reduced bundles and a la carte YOU cannot grasp that Altice has not lost the ability to make that happen AGAIN

at some point when you are losing a large number of customers at a fast rate you have to stand up to those that are causing it.....Altice choose to not do that

kicking the can down the road is only going to lose then the subs that they have the largest chance to lose and that is those that do not want ESPN and those that have the most other options for a "traditional cable" provider because as I laid out the "cable" market is the one with the most competition in the market Vs the "ISP" market place

Altice being the one that is going to see these Disney/ESPN rate increases first will also be the one that allows other cable companies to monitor the reaction of subscribers and if Altice sees their traditional cable subs leaving in even larger numbers well then other cable companies are going to react to that and hopefully not make the same mistake by caving in to ESPN/Disney

you are so dense you lay out what needs to happen for the future and then in a feigned attempt to be "right" you congratulate the company for making the exact choice that prevents them from doing what YOU said needs to happen for the future

cable companies and the "experts" have only been wrong month after month and quarter after quarter on the number and rate of increase of cord cutting

yet you sit here and pretend that all is well while a company does the EXACT OPPOSITE of what YOU state needs to happen for the future

all while failing to understand that the cable MSO that is also an ISP has the best ability to meet the needs of those that want ESPN and those that do not and the largest number of their subs DO NOT and those are the ones with the most choice and the ones that are leaving cable the fastest

but hey what is a couple more years of larger and larger subscriber losses when you just bought a company with a massive amount of debt on the books with service in a very competitive market that is not exactly sports crazy

lol...another long post. You were wrong. Lengthy posts wont change that. You simply dont understand business 101. The bottom line is you were plain wrong and ---worse yet---you're too stupid to realize it and continue to spin away in an effort to convince yourself you're right. Its actually pretty entertaining. 04-cheers

I love the whole last half of your post about how all the cable companies are "wrong". Again, you continue to show a complete lack of business acumen. Cable management is not "wrong". They are sticking with the current bundle strategy for one simple reason. They are still making more money with the bundle model than they would with any other strategy. Simple as that. For all the publicity around cord cutting---it still represents a very small portion of their customer base. Furthermore, cord cutters largely represent the lowest margin cable customers. That said, the cable companies are well aware that at some point they will need to change---we just are not at that point yet. You've dug your self into a hole. You probably need to stop digging and move on. Since the issue has been decided---this will be my last post on this subject.
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RE: ESPN Could Lose More Viewers If No Agreement Be Made With Altice/Suddenlink
(10-02-2017 12:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 10:09 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 09:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 09:00 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(10-01-2017 08:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Then, the other 56% will start cutting the cord. There are more people that don't want ESPN.

exactly even David State can figure it out

cable subscribers are leaving at in larger numbers and at a faster rate than anyone expected and the answer by at least one cable company is to "stand up" and then cave in

so now they can watch subscribers leave them at an even faster rate

all the worse when it is the subscribers with the most choice and the least reason to stay with a company that capitulates to ESPN

of course coogattack thinks that continuing to do the same thing that has resulted in larger and more rapid subscriber losses is somehow a good strategy

just because a business makes a decision that does not mean it is a good one especially when all real world evidence suggest they have no grasp of the issue and are continually surprised by the size and speed of the issue developing around them

NYSE: ATUS <- long term short opportunity to make a lot of money

Its only a short if your running it. Your "solution" is to chase off 44% of your subscribers in one month. Thats why they didnt even allow ABC to cut it off for a day. Look, the point of the discussion here was to predict what was going to happen and you were, as usual, completely wrong. The fact is, Im not saying the current set up is the long term solution. Im saying right now cutting off ESPN would have been a horribly bad move for Suddenlink and that they had little leverage. I was correct.

The truth is, there actually are answers out there to address cord cutting---but the fact is the current cable bundle system is still viable and making more money for cable companies than the alternatives. Cable frankly isnt even really even trying to solve the cord cutter issue. Eventually, as the business continues to erode the cord cutters will become enough of an issue that cable companies will begin to fight back with skinny bundles and a la carte. To my knowledge, Dish is the only cable provider I know of that has finally begun to utilize some of the options available to traditional cable providers to combat the cord cutters. My feeling is that eventually this type of thing (see Dish offer below) will be common among all providers.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/06/dis...-channels/

1. I never "predicted" what would happen I stated the position that Altice was in to finally help their business long term and they screwed that up

2. you are not even intelligent enough to understand that to offer "skinny bundles" and a la carte the first step is to stand up to the content providers on cramming and shoving mass content people do not want for too much money down their throats

Altice was stupid enough to cave to that to the detriment of 56% of their subscribers and the group of subs that is cutting the cord the most and the ones they will never get back once they are gone

Altice as an ISP in addition to a cable company had the ability to retain subscribers that wanted ESPN because they can still provide them internet and those subs can get a stream with ESPN

that is exactly what YOU state needs to happen in the future

but of course YOU are not intelligent enough to understand that the future is NOW and subscribers that do not want ESPN are leaving NOW to NEVER return

and Altice took their chance to correct that and flushed it down the toilet and somehow in spite of the fact that YOU stated exactly what needs to happen which is reduced bundles and a la carte YOU cannot grasp that Altice has not lost the ability to make that happen AGAIN

at some point when you are losing a large number of customers at a fast rate you have to stand up to those that are causing it.....Altice choose to not do that

kicking the can down the road is only going to lose then the subs that they have the largest chance to lose and that is those that do not want ESPN and those that have the most other options for a "traditional cable" provider because as I laid out the "cable" market is the one with the most competition in the market Vs the "ISP" market place

Altice being the one that is going to see these Disney/ESPN rate increases first will also be the one that allows other cable companies to monitor the reaction of subscribers and if Altice sees their traditional cable subs leaving in even larger numbers well then other cable companies are going to react to that and hopefully not make the same mistake by caving in to ESPN/Disney

you are so dense you lay out what needs to happen for the future and then in a feigned attempt to be "right" you congratulate the company for making the exact choice that prevents them from doing what YOU said needs to happen for the future

cable companies and the "experts" have only been wrong month after month and quarter after quarter on the number and rate of increase of cord cutting

yet you sit here and pretend that all is well while a company does the EXACT OPPOSITE of what YOU state needs to happen for the future

all while failing to understand that the cable MSO that is also an ISP has the best ability to meet the needs of those that want ESPN and those that do not and the largest number of their subs DO NOT and those are the ones with the most choice and the ones that are leaving cable the fastest

but hey what is a couple more years of larger and larger subscriber losses when you just bought a company with a massive amount of debt on the books with service in a very competitive market that is not exactly sports crazy

lol...another long post. You were wrong. Lengthy posts wont change that. You simply dont understand business 101. The bottom line is you were plain wrong and ---worse yet---you're too stupid to realize it and continue to spin away in an effort to convince yourself you're right. Its actually pretty entertaining. 04-cheers

I love the whole last half of your post about how all the cable companies are "wrong". Again, you continue to show a complete lack of business acumen. Cable management is not "wrong". They are sticking with the current bundle strategy for one simple reason. They are still making more money with the bundle model than they would with any other strategy. Simple as that. For all the publicity around cord cutting---it still represents a very small portion of their customer base. Furthermore, cord cutters largely represent the lowest margin cable customers. That said, the cable companies are well aware that at some point they will need to change---we just are not at that point yet. You've dug your self into a hole. You probably need to stop digging and move on. Since the issue has been decided---this will be last post on this subject.


Smaller cable companies went out of business thanks to ESPN because they do not have that many subscribers to began with to afford all that. Some went out of business simply in recent years that ESPN forced them to have all these other sports Network on the basic.
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RE: ESPN Could Lose More Viewers If No Agreement Be Made With Altice/Suddenlink
This thread may be the most ridiculous example of overuse of long nested quotes that I have ever seen. Just do a regular reply. Good grief.
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Well Altice has agreed to terms with ESPN. And the SECN and ACCN will be part of the package.
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(10-03-2017 11:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Well Altice has agreed to terms with ESPN. And the SECN and ACCN will be part of the package.

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The biggest risk of saying No to Disney and being the "low cost" provider is that if customer pressure, subscription underruns, or other factors eventually push them change their mind, their customers are going to be pissed at the big jump in their bills... pushing even more defections.
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