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(10-04-2017 09:55 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  Splooie...dont forget Hare - He was a winner and a MAC Champ!

THis team does not need greatness out of the QB to be champs. Think Trent Dilfer like,Execute and dont make mistakes.

Don't think you're a big fan of Santa; but the problem with your view is best scene in the Nebraska game. Santa was playing Dilfer-like for most of the game; not turning the ball over; completing a fairly high % of his passes, nothing spectacular. Then we lost the lead, and he had to do what nobody (especially you) thought he could do...bring us back. The only way we could have won that game is if he played "non Differ-like" QB. He made two Sunday throws on the drive to get us back in the lead. If we want Dilfer-like, I don't think Santa is our guy.
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Well, you live with what you have and not what you want.

Santa will give it up. You give it up in the MAC West you will lose this year ( BSU excluded). The West is too tough for that kind of football.
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(10-04-2017 08:31 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 06:29 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  If you think kids are mad at coaches when they lost and they turned the ball over 4 times you're an idiot. Coaches do not turn the ball over, players do. Players know if the play isn't there you throw it out of bounce, which he could have as Tears was on the sideline area on that throw. He forced it, that's not on Coach U or Carey.

You're a moron if you think that players just mindlessly go along with the coaches. The players know the game, too, especially at this level. They know the feel, flow, and momentum of the game. I'm sure they're very disappointed that they didn't get to pound the rock late. But it's just speculation on both our parts so the point is moot unless you can tell me that you've spoken to a lot of players and they told you that the coaches called a perfect game. Obviously you think you're right (although you're completely wrong) and I know I'm right.

I didn't say the called a perfect game. I said that complaining about that one play is being ridiculous. You're complaining to complain. Which makes sense because you're negative.

Did the coaches put the team in bad spots, yes, but that really wasn't one of them. I've never once seen you complain about execution. It's always the coaches fault. At some point it has to be both or just execution. I may be a bit wrong on the not being mad, but that's only for a handful of plays and not the whole game. But hey the coaches probably had nothing to do with the rest of the good things. That was all players and all the bad is just coaches. It's never a mix. Let me know when you blame something other than the coaches for something. After all the players play the game.
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Do you honestly think we come back form 17 points down in the SDSU game playing "Dilfer-like"? We put up more points against SDSU then anybody this year, including ASU and Stanford. Do you think our running game, in particular Huff, is benefitting by the fact that defenses now has to respect the deep pass? Against SDSU their safeties by the end of the game were line up 13 yards off the LOS. There are times to play conservative (maybe the last drive was such a time) but if we go back to being predictable, lacking any vertical theat, our offense will be very limited.
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(10-04-2017 12:54 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 08:31 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 06:29 AM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  If you think kids are mad at coaches when they lost and they turned the ball over 4 times you're an idiot. Coaches do not turn the ball over, players do. Players know if the play isn't there you throw it out of bounce, which he could have as Tears was on the sideline area on that throw. He forced it, that's not on Coach U or Carey.

You're a moron if you think that players just mindlessly go along with the coaches. The players know the game, too, especially at this level. They know the feel, flow, and momentum of the game. I'm sure they're very disappointed that they didn't get to pound the rock late. But it's just speculation on both our parts so the point is moot unless you can tell me that you've spoken to a lot of players and they told you that the coaches called a perfect game. Obviously you think you're right (although you're completely wrong) and I know I'm right.

I didn't say the called a perfect game. I said that complaining about that one play is being ridiculous. You're complaining to complain. Which makes sense because you're negative.

Did the coaches put the team in bad spots, yes, but that really wasn't one of them. I've never once seen you complain about execution. It's always the coaches fault. At some point it has to be both or just execution. I may be a bit wrong on the not being mad, but that's only for a handful of plays and not the whole game. But hey the coaches probably had nothing to do with the rest of the good things. That was all players and all the bad is just coaches. It's never a mix. Let me know when you blame something other than the coaches for something. After all the players play the game.
So you're not being negative toward Santa? 03-lmfao
There's no other sport where coaching plays such a huge role. They have complete control of the game, personnel, and calling every play. The players are what the coaches emphasize. There was no need to throw the ball unless you had to in that situation because the o-line was dominating SDSU and Santa had already thrown a pick 6. I gave the coaches credit for allowing Santa to make the big plays for us to be in a chance to win a game to overcome the mistakes, but you've got to finish the job. The running game could have finished the job and it was a huge mistake on the coaches part to not recognize that.
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I'm sure many players feel like the running game could have won the game for us and I'm sure the coaches are doing some second guessing on their decision after watching film. I'm also very critical because the play was so contrary to their ultra conservative philosophy. I called for calculated risks not go all out with 2:30 left. Had we scored, they would have marched right down and kicked the winning FG. They were completing chunks of passing yards all game.
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As for our coaches, they've made some critical mistakes this year alone. I won't even go into last year. Choosing Graham and Jones to start the first two games is inexcusable. It cost us the BC game. The lack of calculated risks in the Nebraska almost cost us. luckily, Santa, Blake, and Huff bailed out the coaches. The lack of recognizing how the o-line was dominating late did cost us. Did Santa's turnover cost us? Of course it did, but we still should have been able to overcome it with a little more recognition from our coaches.
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(10-04-2017 04:39 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  As for our coaches, they've made some critical mistakes this year alone. I won't even go into last year. Choosing Graham and Jones to start the first two games is inexcusable. It cost us the BC game. The lack of calculated risks in the Nebraska almost cost us. luckily, Santa, Blake, and Huff bailed out the coaches. The lack of recognizing how the o-line was dominating late did cost us. Did Santa's turnover cost us? Of course it did, but we still should have been able to overcome it with a little more recognition from our coaches.

Again difficult to argue these points.
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Also, I'm certainly not complaining just to complain. I was calling for the running the ball in on the game thread and I was sure that's what we'd do. When we didn't, I was pretty upset with the coaches.
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I wasn't negative to santa, I said he screwed up. Which he did. He was also a major reason NIU moved the ball all game. He should be the starter, but 3 INTs was the biggest reason they lost. That's almost irrefutable. Who you place blame on is your opinion. Most of the board seems to think the coach threw the INT. FYI, Carey doesn't call plays

All I'm asking is why does this board, specifically badmoon only complain about coaching? I have a hard time understanding how it can only be the coaches fault every time. If more people admitted that this board wouldn't seem so negative.

Starting Jones and Graham are not the only reason they lost to BC. And thy didn't get "bailed out" in Nebraska. The players made plays, but who called the deep throw? Was that an audible? All I ask is you use some sort of acknowledgement that it is a mix of coaching and execution. You only blame coaching for the bad and acknowledge execution on good things. That's why you sound negative. Using the terms "bailed out". It's easy to be an arm chair coach and then always cite the players for the good. Just see it both ways.
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