(10-01-2017 07:15 AM)Ranger Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 06:07 AM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 11:56 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 09:30 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 07:32 PM)WIowl Wrote:  Troy 10, LSU 0 at the half. Honeymoon over.

Final 24-21 Troy. LSU's homecoming game.

Troy was paid $1 million for the bodybag game.

Rice is @LSU next year. Wonder what the score would have been if Rice had been @LSU today? 50-3 LSU victory?

I predict one of the 2 schools will have a new coach for the 2018 Rice vs. LSU game.

Any guesses as to which one?

Like all of you, I am many things. Among others, I am an LSU fan. I went to high school in Baton Rouge, my dad taught at LSU, my three siblings have degrees from LSU; two of them have multiple LSU degrees. As an LSU fan, I was completely mystified by the hiring of Ogeron.

It was certainly strange - if we cannot get Tom Hermann, the hottest prospect on the market, we will settle for a coach whom Ole Miss fired after a dismal tenure which including losing more games than he won. I believe he had only two wins against teams with winning records, both wins against Memphis. Not an enviable record.

I am not against second chances. People deserve them. But after his track record, one would have expected his second chance to come from a G5 or lower level P5 school (a la Kiffin and Strong), not from one of the premier coaching jobs in the country.

I don't know how he did as an assistant; I assume he did well. But I learned in the military that there is a HUGE difference between being #2 or one of many, and being the leader, the place where the buck stops.

One of the reasons I have been anti DB is not so much the record but the dismal level of play. I see the same with Ogeron. Beating BYU (1-4) was not such a big deal. LSU was throttled by Miss State, which in retrospect is not a great team; and LSU sleepwalked against a Syracuse team which lost to Middle Tenn. The warning signs are everywhere. Generally I advocate giving someone several years to prove himself, but with his poor performance at Ole Miss, the questions of his hiring, and the dismal play so far, I hope for the sake of their fans' sanity LSU gets a new coach, a good coach, soon.

Makes Les Miles seem much better

(10-01-2017 08:19 AM)wiessguy Wrote:  Makes Les Miles seem much better

LSU always has great talent. They get first recruiting crack at a state with 4.5 million people and excellent high school football, plus they get a lot of Texas kids. They tend to underachieve because they tend to play very undisciplined football. What Miles, and before him Saban, and long before him Dietzel did was to get them to play focused and disciplined football. It appears that under Orgeron they are back to some of their ill-discipline, and it is costing them.

Orgeron is a P5 version of David Bailiff. Good ole boy, everybody loves him, but he can't get it done between the lines.

So, if Orgeron is available to replace David, should we pass?

(10-01-2017 09:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So, if Orgeron is available to replace David, should we pass?

Yes.

(10-01-2017 09:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So, if Orgeron is available to replace David, should we pass?

Yes.

That's what I thought.

The problem is that LSU hired Head Coach Ed Orgeron instead of Interim Head Coach Ed Orgeron. The former is 13-29, the latter is 12-4.

(10-01-2017 11:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  The problem is that LSU hired Head Coach Ed Orgeron instead of Interim Head Coach Ed Orgeron. The former is 13-29, the latter is 12-4.

There have actually been some studies of this phenomenon. Success as an interim does not correlate well with success when given the permanent job. That may be something of a surprising result intuitively. But what apparently happens is that when a coach (or baseball manager) gets he job as an interim, there is something of a rejuvenating effect from simply changing the message from the top. When that new message has a longer time to sink in, it may not play so well. Another is that an interim takes over with all the preseason and out-of-season planning by the prior coach already in place. As a permanent head coach, he has to handle those areas himself, and career assistants frequently are not good at those aspects of the job.

Bottom line, being an interim head coach is largely a cheerleader position, to rejuvenate attitudes, whereas being a permanent head coach involves a lot of planning and preparation things that career assistants have often not done before.

LSU looks to me like a team that did not have a great off-season and pre-season. So does Rice, year in and year out under Bailiff.

(10-01-2017 11:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 11:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  The problem is that LSU hired Head Coach Ed Orgeron instead of Interim Head Coach Ed Orgeron. The former is 13-29, the latter is 12-4.

There have actually been some studies of this phenomenon. Success as an interim does not correlate well with success when given the permanent job. That may be something of a surprising result intuitively. But what apparently happens is that when a coach (or baseball manager) gets he job as an interim, there is something of a rejuvenating effect from simply changing the message from the top. When that new message has a longer time to sink in, it may not play so well. Another is that an interim takes over with all the preseason and out-of-season planning by the prior coach already in place. As a permanent head coach, he has to handle those areas himself, and career assistants frequently are not good at those aspects of the job.

Bottom line, being an interim head coach is largely a cheerleader position, to rejuvenate attitudes, whereas being a permanent head coach involves a lot of planning and preparation things that career assistants have often not done before.

LSU looks to me like a team that did not have a great off-season and pre-season. So does Rice, year in and year out under Bailiff.

Don't have an opinion about the rejuvenating aspect, but I definitely agree on the system and planning aspects.

(09-30-2017 08:50 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Miami 31, Duke 6
Closer than the score indicates. Duke shows that a private school can play defense, but their offense is bad.

Technically, aren't they both privates?

(09-30-2017 07:19 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  They just announced at Kyle Field that there is no running water, so if you have to use the bathroom, you have to leave the stadium. We may not be very good in football this year, but as far as I know, we have superior water pressure at HRS.

At least Rice had the good sense to rid itself of the yellow highlights.

(09-30-2017 07:49 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Army defeats UTEP 35-21.

Baylor beaten by KSU 33-20. Bears now 0-5.

Wow! Who knew that non-consensual sex was so important to wins on the field? Apparently, Art Briles ...

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(10-01-2017 11:39 AM)Ranger Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 11:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 11:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  The problem is that LSU hired Head Coach Ed Orgeron instead of Interim Head Coach Ed Orgeron. The former is 13-29, the latter is 12-4.

There have actually been some studies of this phenomenon. Success as an interim does not correlate well with success when given the permanent job. That may be something of a surprising result intuitively. But what apparently happens is that when a coach (or baseball manager) gets he job as an interim, there is something of a rejuvenating effect from simply changing the message from the top. When that new message has a longer time to sink in, it may not play so well. Another is that an interim takes over with all the preseason and out-of-season planning by the prior coach already in place. As a permanent head coach, he has to handle those areas himself, and career assistants frequently are not good at those aspects of the job.

Bottom line, being an interim head coach is largely a cheerleader position, to rejuvenate attitudes, whereas being a permanent head coach involves a lot of planning and preparation things that career assistants have often not done before.

LSU looks to me like a team that did not have a great off-season and pre-season. So does Rice, year in and year out under Bailiff.

Don't have an opinion about the rejuvenating aspect, but I definitely agree on the system and planning aspects.

Both of you have made solid cases to this regard. The two questions are - why do people continue to look to #2s as the next up and coming #1? And, if not the #2s, where do you find the #1s?

A hint is the comment "does not correlate well with success when given the permanent job". There is probably nothing that correlates well with success as the #1 because it is a hard job with low success rate. But, the question stands... What is the best way to select a new #1, especially when the system is not in place to make success easy?

A&M is fitting for a first class out house. :)

(10-03-2017 10:20 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 08:50 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Miami 31, Duke 6
Closer than the score indicates. Duke shows that a private school can play defense, but their offense is bad.

Technically, aren't they both privates?

(09-30-2017 07:19 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  They just announced at Kyle Field that there is no running water, so if you have to use the bathroom, you have to leave the stadium. We may not be very good in football this year, but as far as I know, we have superior water pressure at HRS.

At least Rice had the good sense to rid itself of the yellow highlights.