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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
The SD sports director is referring to the "Friends" webpage which just has a downloadable 14 pages of what they want the ballot measure to read.

https://sdsuwest.org/

And the stadium would be 35K.
10-04-2017 12:30 AM
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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
(10-02-2017 06:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The stadium the MLS guys want would not be big enough for the Aztecs, who in my opinion need 40,000 seats. San Diego needs a football first stadium.

Is it too early to start talking about the San Antonio or St Louis Chargers? I think they'd have a much better following there or perhaps they limp back to San Diego if an adequate facility can be agreed to.

The Chargers are going to be the football equivalent of the old LA Clippers, print it!! The Chargers owner doesn't care how few fans he has in LA, he only cares that he is in LA. He will sit on that team until someone offers him a king's ransom for his team. I had hoped San Diego could get something done before the move, but no. Too much $$$$$'s to become NFL's version of the Clippers under former owner Don Sterling.
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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
does Steve ballmer want to buy the chargers? Maybe put in the deal ballmer would donate $300 million to sd state to build them a new smaller stadium. Such a gesture could win back charger support in San Diego, give sd state a home and cement the chargers in LA with no threat of any other team moving to SD
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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
(10-03-2017 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Personally I think MLS needs to get over themselves and cooperate with college football when it comes to stadiums. The Aztecs and MLS could work great together so long as the stadium is big enough to accomodate the kind of crowds that SDSU attracts. I think it is a bit absurd for upstart soccer clubs and would be soccer clubs to demand public dollars for stadiums and then insist on getting to control their use, concessions, parking, etc. Cincinnati is a perfect example too. Why should taxpayers have to pay for another stadium when Nippert is the right size and already there?

I see quite a few other places where in theory, soccer and college football ought to be able to coexist: Charlotte, Raleigh (move in with NC St), Tampa (if USF ever decides to leave Raymond James), FAU or FIU could share with MLS (NASL currently plays at FIU),

There are also a handful of MLS stadiums that wouldn't make terrible college football venues like Stub Hub if any of the LA area Cal St schools ever revived the sport.

Cal State Dominguez Hills is right next to the StubHub center, so they'd be particularly well-positioned to use the stadium. They're a D2 school without football, which isn't totally surprising considering the dearth of D2 football teams out west.
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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
Get it done by 2022. This Toledo fan is ready to visit for a game
10-04-2017 11:52 AM
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(10-03-2017 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Personally I think MLS needs to get over themselves

No, MLS is right to want 20,000 seat stadiums with good sight lines for soccer and to prefer smaller filled stadiums over playing in NFL-sized venues. That model is working very well for MLS teams that have such stadiums. If other sports' teams or franchises have different desires, so be it.

If a pro franchise owner wants to build his own NFL palace, or if some Daddy Warbucks wants to donate the money for a college football team to have its own brand new stadium, that's fine, but MLS does just fine with its model.
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(10-04-2017 09:39 AM)bluesox Wrote:  does Steve ballmer want to buy the chargers? Maybe put in the deal ballmer would donate $300 million to sd state to build them a new smaller stadium. Such a gesture could win back charger support in San Diego, give sd state a home and cement the chargers in LA with no threat of any other team moving to SD

Who wants to buy is not the important question.

The question is concerning the Spanos family and their willingness to sell.
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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
(10-04-2017 11:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-03-2017 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Personally I think MLS needs to get over themselves

No, MLS is right to want 20,000 seat stadiums with good sight lines for soccer and to prefer smaller filled stadiums over playing in NFL-sized venues. That model is working very well for MLS teams that have such stadiums. If other sports' teams or franchises have different desires, so be it.

If a pro franchise owner wants to build his own NFL palace, or if some Daddy Warbucks wants to donate the money for a college football team to have its own brand new stadium, that's fine, but MLS does just fine with its model.

Did I say an NFL sized venue? No. I said 40,000 for San Diego. 30,000-40,000 is a good stadium for a G5 football team. Some of the best attended MLS teams hover at just under 40,000 so if they expect to see the game grow and all teams to reach that level that's a good size for MLS too.

It's not NFL owners and university donors that cough up the money to build these sports palaces--it's the tax payers. It makes sense for them to get more bang for their buck and go for stadiums that serve multiple tenants. Look at Minnesota--in recent years they've built stadiums for the Gophers, Twins, Vikings, and now MLS.
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(10-04-2017 06:39 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-03-2017 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Personally I think MLS needs to get over themselves

No, MLS is right to want 20,000 seat stadiums with good sight lines for soccer and to prefer smaller filled stadiums over playing in NFL-sized venues. That model is working very well for MLS teams that have such stadiums. If other sports' teams or franchises have different desires, so be it.

If a pro franchise owner wants to build his own NFL palace, or if some Daddy Warbucks wants to donate the money for a college football team to have its own brand new stadium, that's fine, but MLS does just fine with its model.

Did I say an NFL sized venue? No. I said 40,000 for San Diego.

40,000 is still twice the size that most MLS teams prefer, unless they have decided to use an existing venue rather than paying for their own to be built. A team that draws 40,000 for one game and 15,000 to 20,000 for almost every other game should absolutely not build a stadium that seats 40,000, which is why MLS stadiums built for the soccer team are doing it right.

It would be a really dumb business decision for an MLS owner to pay for a stadium that is built and sized for someone else's purposes, and I doubt that will ever happen. Using someone else's stadium while not having to pay for the cost of building the stadium (as in Seattle or Atlanta) is an entirely different matter, obviously.
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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
(10-04-2017 07:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 06:39 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(10-04-2017 11:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(10-03-2017 07:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Personally I think MLS needs to get over themselves

No, MLS is right to want 20,000 seat stadiums with good sight lines for soccer and to prefer smaller filled stadiums over playing in NFL-sized venues. That model is working very well for MLS teams that have such stadiums. If other sports' teams or franchises have different desires, so be it.

If a pro franchise owner wants to build his own NFL palace, or if some Daddy Warbucks wants to donate the money for a college football team to have its own brand new stadium, that's fine, but MLS does just fine with its model.

Did I say an NFL sized venue? No. I said 40,000 for San Diego.

40,000 is still twice the size that most MLS teams prefer, unless they have decided to use an existing venue rather than paying for their own to be built. A team that draws 40,000 for one game and 15,000 to 20,000 for almost every other game should absolutely not build a stadium that seats 40,000, which is why MLS stadiums built for the soccer team are doing it right.

It would be a really dumb business decision for an MLS owner to pay for a stadium that is built and sized for someone else's purposes, and I doubt that will ever happen. Using someone else's stadium while not having to pay for the cost of building the stadium (as in Seattle or Atlanta) is an entirely different matter, obviously.

That's fine. Said MLS owners can pay for everything themselves then. Easy peasy.
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