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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
(09-30-2017 03:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 08:59 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Looks like SDSU is seeking a very public test of their fan support. A true power move if it works.

SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative as alternative to SoccerCity

"The newly formed Friends of SDSU Steering Committee said they will publish a notice of intent Saturday to launch a city ballot initiative drive that would authorize the city to sell 132 of the 166 acres at the SDCCU Stadium site. The 14-page measure is called the SDSU West Campus Research, Stadium and River Initiative....Like SoccerCity, the SDSU initiative calls for the land to be purchased at fair market value as set by an independent appraiser. The latest appraisal set the price at $83 million for the 166-acre stadium property but McGrory said a new appraisal would be called for if the measure passes."



(SDCCU Stadium is Qualcomm Stadium. It was renamed San Diego County Credit Union Stadium this month after Qualcomm did not renew their sponsorship deal)

And if it doesn't work?

If it doesn't work, then they're really no worse off than if they had just done nothing.

The mayor's office is supporting the MLS plan, and (other than SDSU) no one in power is publicly opposing the MLS plan. If SDSU does nothing, then the MLS plan probably goes through.
10-02-2017 12:42 PM
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(10-02-2017 12:42 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 03:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 08:59 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Looks like SDSU is seeking a very public test of their fan support. A true power move if it works.

SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative as alternative to SoccerCity

"The newly formed Friends of SDSU Steering Committee said they will publish a notice of intent Saturday to launch a city ballot initiative drive that would authorize the city to sell 132 of the 166 acres at the SDCCU Stadium site. The 14-page measure is called the SDSU West Campus Research, Stadium and River Initiative....Like SoccerCity, the SDSU initiative calls for the land to be purchased at fair market value as set by an independent appraiser. The latest appraisal set the price at $83 million for the 166-acre stadium property but McGrory said a new appraisal would be called for if the measure passes."



(SDCCU Stadium is Qualcomm Stadium. It was renamed San Diego County Credit Union Stadium this month after Qualcomm did not renew their sponsorship deal)

And if it doesn't work?

If it doesn't work, then they're really no worse off than if they had just done nothing.

The mayor's office is supporting the MLS plan, and (other than SDSU) no one in power is publicly opposing the MLS plan. If SDSU does nothing, then the MLS plan probably goes through.

I wouldn't say nobody is opposing it. A majority of the city council has publicly opposed the soccer plan.
10-02-2017 01:07 PM
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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
(10-02-2017 01:07 PM)k5james Wrote:  
(10-02-2017 12:42 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 03:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 08:59 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Looks like SDSU is seeking a very public test of their fan support. A true power move if it works.

SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative as alternative to SoccerCity

"The newly formed Friends of SDSU Steering Committee said they will publish a notice of intent Saturday to launch a city ballot initiative drive that would authorize the city to sell 132 of the 166 acres at the SDCCU Stadium site. The 14-page measure is called the SDSU West Campus Research, Stadium and River Initiative....Like SoccerCity, the SDSU initiative calls for the land to be purchased at fair market value as set by an independent appraiser. The latest appraisal set the price at $83 million for the 166-acre stadium property but McGrory said a new appraisal would be called for if the measure passes."



(SDCCU Stadium is Qualcomm Stadium. It was renamed San Diego County Credit Union Stadium this month after Qualcomm did not renew their sponsorship deal)

And if it doesn't work?

If it doesn't work, then they're really no worse off than if they had just done nothing.

The mayor's office is supporting the MLS plan, and (other than SDSU) no one in power is publicly opposing the MLS plan. If SDSU does nothing, then the MLS plan probably goes through.

I wouldn't say nobody is opposing it. A majority of the city council has publicly opposed the soccer plan.

The MLS plan seems very risky for SDSU, since it is entirely dependent on winning an MLS franchise. Better to go with an SDSU-first plan, which can be designed to accommodate an MLS bid.
10-02-2017 02:55 PM
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The stadium the MLS guys want would not be big enough for the Aztecs, who in my opinion need 40,000 seats. San Diego needs a football first stadium.

Is it too early to start talking about the San Antonio or St Louis Chargers? I think they'd have a much better following there or perhaps they limp back to San Diego if an adequate facility can be agreed to.
10-02-2017 06:28 PM
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(09-30-2017 03:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 08:59 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Looks like SDSU is seeking a very public test of their fan support. A true power move if it works.

SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative as alternative to SoccerCity

"The newly formed Friends of SDSU Steering Committee said they will publish a notice of intent Saturday to launch a city ballot initiative drive that would authorize the city to sell 132 of the 166 acres at the SDCCU Stadium site. The 14-page measure is called the SDSU West Campus Research, Stadium and River Initiative....Like SoccerCity, the SDSU initiative calls for the land to be purchased at fair market value as set by an independent appraiser. The latest appraisal set the price at $83 million for the 166-acre stadium property but McGrory said a new appraisal would be called for if the measure passes."



(SDCCU Stadium is Qualcomm Stadium. It was renamed San Diego County Credit Union Stadium this month after Qualcomm did not renew their sponsorship deal)

And if it doesn't work?
You don't put forth an initiative you are no reasonably sure will pass.
10-03-2017 12:22 PM
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RE: SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative for stadium
(10-03-2017 12:22 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-30-2017 03:47 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 08:59 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Looks like SDSU is seeking a very public test of their fan support. A true power move if it works.

SDSU supporters launch ballot initiative as alternative to SoccerCity

"The newly formed Friends of SDSU Steering Committee said they will publish a notice of intent Saturday to launch a city ballot initiative drive that would authorize the city to sell 132 of the 166 acres at the SDCCU Stadium site. The 14-page measure is called the SDSU West Campus Research, Stadium and River Initiative....Like SoccerCity, the SDSU initiative calls for the land to be purchased at fair market value as set by an independent appraiser. The latest appraisal set the price at $83 million for the 166-acre stadium property but McGrory said a new appraisal would be called for if the measure passes."



(SDCCU Stadium is Qualcomm Stadium. It was renamed San Diego County Credit Union Stadium this month after Qualcomm did not renew their sponsorship deal)

And if it doesn't work?
You don't put forth an initiative you are no reasonably sure will pass.

In California it's really, really easy to get an initiative on the ballot. I live in San Diego County and last year I think I voted on 24 initiatives.
10-03-2017 12:29 PM
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The question is, what happens if no stadium deal is reached? Will SDSU drop football or try get a deal with let's say the Padres?
10-03-2017 02:36 PM
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(10-03-2017 02:36 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The question is, what happens if no stadium deal is reached? Will SDSU drop football or try get a deal with let's say the Padres?

As in absolutely no stadium gets built? That part would be the most doubtful part of this all. If the non-SDSU-centered initiative wins, a stadium goes in and SDSU plays there until they figure something else out. If SDSU-centered initiative wins, a stadium goes in. If no initiative passes, almost a guarantee that the current stadium stays up with SDSU renting it until someone gets a stadium built. The non-SDSU plan isn't going to say no to SDSU using the stadium, and lose a revenue stream/maintain a liability, they have investors to please. San Diego already lost one football team. No elected official is going to be the one to say they forced a university to close it's program, it's last D1 or pro team for that matter.
10-03-2017 03:18 PM
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Personally I think MLS needs to get over themselves and cooperate with college football when it comes to stadiums. The Aztecs and MLS could work great together so long as the stadium is big enough to accomodate the kind of crowds that SDSU attracts. I think it is a bit absurd for upstart soccer clubs and would be soccer clubs to demand public dollars for stadiums and then insist on getting to control their use, concessions, parking, etc. Cincinnati is a perfect example too. Why should taxpayers have to pay for another stadium when Nippert is the right size and already there?

I see quite a few other places where in theory, soccer and college football ought to be able to coexist: Charlotte, Raleigh (move in with NC St), Tampa (if USF ever decides to leave Raymond James), FAU or FIU could share with MLS (NASL currently plays at FIU),

There are also a handful of MLS stadiums that wouldn't make terrible college football venues like Stub Hub if any of the LA area Cal St schools ever revived the sport.
10-03-2017 07:56 PM
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A new article:

SDSU 'friends' to politicians: We don't need you

"The folks trying to turn the SDCCU Stadium site into San Diego State University’s west campus need a few key things: Lots of money, to put their initiative on the ballot and wage a winning campaign. A compelling story, that it’s not really about a stadium but the future of San Diego. A majority of city voters, no further explanation needed.

What they don’t need, apparently, is backing from elected officials.

“I don’t know that it’s relevant,” said Jack McGrory, former San Diego city manager and a leader in the newly formed Friends of SDSU Steering Committee.
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The SDSU friends will welcome all support, of course, but their campaign likely will play off positive regionwide vibes toward State and what their version of the Mission Valley project can do for the county, educationally, economically and socially. ..... Then there’s whatever their veteran political strategist Tom Shepard comes up with. It’s worth remembering he ran the campaign for Petco Park that attracted a hair under 60 percent of the vote in 1998. But there was no competing project then.
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The fight will be whose project will have the best, longest-lasting impact on the region. Assuming SDSU qualifies for the ballot, there’s likely to be a head-to-head match up with SoccerCity possibly in June, winner take all.

SoccerCity points to its thousands of pages of detailed plans for its big commercial, residential, parks and sports development and will no doubt point out that doesn’t exist for State. The latter’s ballot measure — yes, I know, the friends committee and SDSU are technically separate, but please — basically allows the sale of the site of the stadium formerly known as Qualcomm to the school for whatever the property is appraised at. Meanwhile, SDSU is working on its plan for what to put there...... SDSU can’t endorse — or oppose — an initiative, but it has given its tacit approval of the ballot measure just as it gave tacit opposition to SoccerCity.
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In handicapping of the emerging mano-a-mano bout between SDSU and SoccerCity, you’d think the early odds go to State. The “friends” are a bunch of longtime local heavy hitters, most of them alums, who represent one of the region’s cherished institutions and a political consultant who, though a UC San Diego grad, has had considerable success in this town. That casts SoccerCity’s FS Investors largely as outsiders."


(and the article ends with this Tweet of the Week)
Tweet of the Week: Goes to Ben Higgins (@BenHigginsSD), 10News sports director.

“So, I've been waiting to see if SDSU could come up with a better plan than Soccer City. But all I see is a plan to come up with plan later.”
10-04-2017 12:10 AM
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