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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Blood-thirsty fans just need to get it through their heads that the death penalty simply doesn't exist in practicality for the NCAA anymore (even if it exists on paper). It didn't get applied to Penn State. It didn't get applied to Baylor. It will NOT get applied to UNC, Louisville or any other school going forward. We'll see the NCAA allow players to get paid outright before we see another school get the death penalty.

People need to understand what the 'death penalty' actually is. It's actuallly called the 'repeat violators clause'. It's for repeat violators. Meaning already on probation. UNC won't get it, Baylor won't get it, and Penn St didn't get it because they weren't 'eligible' for that penalty. They weren't already on probation, although I'm sure there were other reasons as well.

I doubt it gets handed out again, so in that I agree. But IF it ever were, it's going to be UofL. This is like an example story in the NCAA handbook. On probation, caught on tape with a staff member saying he knows they have to be careful about breaking the rules because they are on probation, then leaping right into breaking the rules. Not sure it comes to it, but it's definitely a real possibility for UofL, but it is not for UNC.
09-28-2017 11:31 PM
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-28-2017 03:42 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Blood-thirsty fans just need to get it through their heads that the death penalty simply doesn't exist in practicality for the NCAA anymore (even if it exists on paper). It didn't get applied to Penn State. It didn't get applied to Baylor. It will NOT get applied to UNC, Louisville or any other school going forward. We'll see the NCAA allow players to get paid outright before we see another school get the death penalty.

You're probably right, but what if the FBI investigation somehow implicates the NCAA? Wouldn't that be a hoot?
This is what I'm hoping for.

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09-29-2017 05:36 AM
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-28-2017 03:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 02:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I don't think we will ever see the death penalty again.

But, this could explain why the system has been so slow to address the UNC situation at all.


With what is going down right now? I think the NCAA and the big boys of the P5 may have no choice but to give schools the Death Penalty. I think people in this country would celebrate Baylor gets the death penalty, Miami the dp, and so forth.

Angry little fans always celebrate that kind of thing but I don't think any decent person likes to watch a program go through that--too much collateral damage.

Exactly even the sanctions that were imposed on us were far too harsh in my opinion. They didn't stop us from winning we still had a few great Seasons while we were on sanctions. But it's stupid to punish the players for what one selfish person did.

During those sanction years we had so many guys get injured that shouldn't have got injured because of lack of depth.
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
How about this, instead of sanctions or the death penalty, they have to switch places with a G5 school. They still can play football or basketball and have a chance to make the playoff or major bowl as well as play in the basketball tournament.
That I think will straighten up a lot of the P5 schools.
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(09-29-2017 06:51 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  How about this, instead of sanctions or the death penalty, they have to switch places with a G5 school. They still can play football or basketball and have a chance to make the playoff or major bowl as well as play in the basketball tournament.
That I think will straighten up a lot of the P5 schools.

Suddenly 30k fan boys got an instant woody in Connecticut
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-29-2017 06:51 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  How about this, instead of sanctions or the death penalty, they have to switch places with a G5 school. They still can play football or basketball and have a chance to make the playoff or major bowl as well as play in the basketball tournament.
That I think will straighten up a lot of the P5 schools.

That would be hilarious! So you are suggesting, say, UNC and UL play a season in the American Athletic Conference while Cincinnati and ECU take their places in the ACC?
(What if the other ACC teams decide to keep it that way...?)
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-29-2017 07:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(09-29-2017 06:51 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  How about this, instead of sanctions or the death penalty, they have to switch places with a G5 school. They still can play football or basketball and have a chance to make the playoff or major bowl as well as play in the basketball tournament.
That I think will straighten up a lot of the P5 schools.

That would be hilarious! So you are suggesting, say, UNC and UL play a season in the American Athletic Conference while Cincinnati and ECU take their places in the ACC?
(What if the other ACC teams decide to keep it that way...?)
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Not a season, more like a permanent move unless they get an invite back. However, the p5 conference would not be able to kick out the G5 schools that was brought in....unless they did bad things or a 95% of schools vote to kick them out.
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
Aside from the deserved punishment for individuals and institutions by the legal system and current ncaa rules, the best thing that could come from all this is the feds mandating that the ncaa remain in control of rules for eligibility, competition, etc. but the enforcement portion taken away from them. After all, the current ncaa enforcement situation is nothing more than the member institutions enforcing the rules on themselves. Not a good idea. Not sure what entity could do it but it cannot be controlled by ncaa members.
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-28-2017 02:46 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Alaa Abdelnaby‚ÄŹVerified account
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This NCAA scandal is about a guy who was caught giving UNC players $ in '15 and then turned informant for FBI. He then went to other schools

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My take: Pretty soon the ACC will be that cozy 8 team league the old guys pine for03-lmfao

RE: Greensboro's lead sports story
Anything written coming out of Raleigh is suspect.
Writers Andrew Carter and Dan Kane are in NC State's pocket and slant everything possible against Carolina.

In today's News & Record The headline reads "Apparent FBI informant in scandal had ties to UNC"
and then the closest association they could pin on the informant was that at one time he tried to lure former UNC football players to his financial advising business. Those are some really, really close ties huh?04-jawdrop

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(09-28-2017 03:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Blood-thirsty fans just need to get it through their heads that the death penalty simply doesn't exist in practicality for the NCAA anymore (even if it exists on paper). It didn't get applied to Penn State. It didn't get applied to Baylor. It will NOT get applied to UNC, Louisville or any other school going forward. We'll see the NCAA allow players to get paid outright before we see another school get the death penalty.

Well what do you do to a program like Louisville who has not only been paying players but also getting prostitutes for high school kids? You vacate some wins and take away some scholarships? No post season play for a few years and all of those end up being reduced? If thats the case then the message is out that the risk is worth the reward.

Maybe this is my cynical side coming out... but pretty much every school has determined that the risk is worth the reward. The chances of finding NCAA violations at EVERY Division I program (much less the power programs) is pretty high if you dig enough. Every Division I school is living in a glass house in today's world. That's the byproduct of the NCAA pretending that these athletes are amateurs and driving would normally happen in an open free market where people are paid what they're actually worth in the marketplace into an underground economy. Top recruits get offered money by shoe reps, coaches and street agents along with being susceptible to other nefarious interests (e.g. gamblers) because they're very clearly worth more than the value of a scholarship to these schools in terms of ticket sales, donations, TV exposure, etc.

There was a massive point-shaving scandal back in the 1950s. There was the SMU death penalty outcome in the 1980s. There have been countless NCAA recruiting violations that have touched more schools than not over the past several decades. This isn't even a recent phenomenon with all of the TV money that has washed over college sports: these top athletes have ALWAYS been underpaid (as you can't get a lower salary than $0) and, as a result, they have ALWAYS been easy prey for those that can provide them with income that's more in line with what they're actually worth in the marketplace.

Until that economic imbalance is fixed for the PLAYERS, we'll always see scandals like this one. When athletes aren't getting paid what they would be worth in the free market, they're going to constantly get offered ways to bridge that gap by boosters, gamblers, coaches and agents (who in turn are trying to parlay that money given to players into financial gains for themselves).

It's not cynicism - just reality. Universities are so far in the weeds by continuing to sponsor revenue sports at their current level. The universities mission is to educate people. That is 180 deg from willingly taking lower quality students just because they can play a revenue sport. That and the corruption plus overpaid coaches vs real university employees...what a joke!
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