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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-28-2017 03:13 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 02:46 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Alaa Abdelnaby‏Verified account
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This NCAA scandal is about a guy who was caught giving UNC players $ in '15 and then turned informant for FBI. He then went to other schools

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My take: Pretty soon the ACC will be that cozy 8 team league the old guys pine for03-lmfao

Gave money to Robert Quinn and those guys in 2010, cost Butch Davis his job. UNC punished for the whole John Blake fiasco. This is totally different.

Different better or worse? Not following you.

Edit update...Sam is telling me the Dukie is wrong. This tweet was about 2010 not 2015. We'll see if he retracts.
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(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:13 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 02:46 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Alaa Abdelnaby‏Verified account
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This NCAA scandal is about a guy who was caught giving UNC players $ in '15 and then turned informant for FBI. He then went to other schools

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My take: Pretty soon the ACC will be that cozy 8 team league the old guys pine for03-lmfao

Gave money to Robert Quinn and those guys in 2010, cost Butch Davis his job. UNC punished for the whole John Blake fiasco. This is totally different.

Different better or worse? Not following you.

The guy who was the informant was financial advisor that worked with agent that was paying UNC players in 2010 when Butch Davis was coach. It is completely unrelated to this FBI investigation. Trying to link UNC to the FBI investigation through this guy and his dealing with Blake and the agent in 2010 is false and dishonest.
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The MAC will be scrutinized like never before and punished for UNC's offenses.
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Blood-thirsty fans just need to get it through their heads that the death penalty simply doesn't exist in practicality for the NCAA anymore (even if it exists on paper). It didn't get applied to Penn State. It didn't get applied to Baylor. It will NOT get applied to UNC, Louisville or any other school going forward. We'll see the NCAA allow players to get paid outright before we see another school get the death penalty.

Well what do you do to a program like Louisville who has not only been paying players but also getting prostitutes for high school kids? You vacate some wins and take away some scholarships? No post season play for a few years and all of those end up being reduced? If thats the case then the message is out that the risk is worth the reward.
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(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Blood-thirsty fans just need to get it through their heads that the death penalty simply doesn't exist in practicality for the NCAA anymore (even if it exists on paper). It didn't get applied to Penn State. It didn't get applied to Baylor. It will NOT get applied to UNC, Louisville or any other school going forward. We'll see the NCAA allow players to get paid outright before we see another school get the death penalty.

You're probably right, but what if the FBI investigation somehow implicates the NCAA? Wouldn't that be a hoot?
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RE: Death Penalty for UNC?
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Blood-thirsty fans just need to get it through their heads that the death penalty simply doesn't exist in practicality for the NCAA anymore (even if it exists on paper). It didn't get applied to Penn State. It didn't get applied to Baylor. It will NOT get applied to UNC, Louisville or any other school going forward. We'll see the NCAA allow players to get paid outright before we see another school get the death penalty.


Then the feds could investigate all these schools, and stop giving them federal and state money. The schools would want to protest that since if they lose the money for research purposes? Several schools will have to cut back on the research, and many of them are AAU schools that are effected by these scandals. If the NCAA will not give the death penalty? Then, the government could strip them of the accreditation and federal grants for not doing anything. Then the feds could start charging crimes against people in the NCAA, ADs, coaches and so forth who refuse to clean things up.
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(09-28-2017 03:31 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:13 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 02:46 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Alaa Abdelnaby‏Verified account
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This NCAA scandal is about a guy who was caught giving UNC players $ in '15 and then turned informant for FBI. He then went to other schools

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My take: Pretty soon the ACC will be that cozy 8 team league the old guys pine for03-lmfao

Gave money to Robert Quinn and those guys in 2010, cost Butch Davis his job. UNC punished for the whole John Blake fiasco. This is totally different.

Different better or worse? Not following you.

The guy who was the informant was financial advisor that worked with agent that was paying UNC players in 2010 when Butch Davis was coach. It is completely unrelated to this FBI investigation. Trying to link UNC to the FBI investigation through this guy and his dealing with Blake and the agent in 2010 is false and dishonest.

Well you better tell ESPN...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...corruption

Quote:In 2015, Blazer was also linked to an investigation of improper cash payments to University of North Carolina football players. A grand jury indicted former Tar Heels player Christopher Hawkins for violating the state's sports agent law by giving money to a UNC player and illegally contacting another about signing a contract. During the investigation, former UNC linebacker Robert Quinn told state investigators that Hawkins gave Quinn money to steer him to Blazer and agent Peter Schaffer, according to court documents. Kendric Burney, the other former UNC player, told investigators that Hawkins arranged and attended Burney's meetings with Blazer and Schaffer.
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(09-28-2017 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Blood-thirsty fans just need to get it through their heads that the death penalty simply doesn't exist in practicality for the NCAA anymore (even if it exists on paper). It didn't get applied to Penn State. It didn't get applied to Baylor. It will NOT get applied to UNC, Louisville or any other school going forward. We'll see the NCAA allow players to get paid outright before we see another school get the death penalty.

Well what do you do to a program like Louisville who has not only been paying players but also getting prostitutes for high school kids? You vacate some wins and take away some scholarships? No post season play for a few years and all of those end up being reduced? If thats the case then the message is out that the risk is worth the reward.

Maybe this is my cynical side coming out... but pretty much every school has determined that the risk is worth the reward. The chances of finding NCAA violations at EVERY Division I program (much less the power programs) is pretty high if you dig enough. Every Division I school is living in a glass house in today's world. That's the byproduct of the NCAA pretending that these athletes are amateurs and driving would normally happen in an open free market where people are paid what they're actually worth in the marketplace into an underground economy. Top recruits get offered money by shoe reps, coaches and street agents along with being susceptible to other nefarious interests (e.g. gamblers) because they're very clearly worth more than the value of a scholarship to these schools in terms of ticket sales, donations, TV exposure, etc.

There was a massive point-shaving scandal back in the 1950s. There was the SMU death penalty outcome in the 1980s. There have been countless NCAA recruiting violations that have touched more schools than not over the past several decades. This isn't even a recent phenomenon with all of the TV money that has washed over college sports: these top athletes have ALWAYS been underpaid (as you can't get a lower salary than $0) and, as a result, they have ALWAYS been easy prey for those that can provide them with income that's more in line with what they're actually worth in the marketplace.

Until that economic imbalance is fixed for the PLAYERS, we'll always see scandals like this one. When athletes aren't getting paid what they would be worth in the free market, they're going to constantly get offered ways to bridge that gap by boosters, gamblers, coaches and agents (who in turn are trying to parlay that money given to players into financial gains for themselves).
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(09-28-2017 03:48 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:31 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:13 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 02:46 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Alaa Abdelnaby‏Verified account
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This NCAA scandal is about a guy who was caught giving UNC players $ in '15 and then turned informant for FBI. He then went to other schools

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My take: Pretty soon the ACC will be that cozy 8 team league the old guys pine for03-lmfao

Gave money to Robert Quinn and those guys in 2010, cost Butch Davis his job. UNC punished for the whole John Blake fiasco. This is totally different.

Different better or worse? Not following you.

The guy who was the informant was financial advisor that worked with agent that was paying UNC players in 2010 when Butch Davis was coach. It is completely unrelated to this FBI investigation. Trying to link UNC to the FBI investigation through this guy and his dealing with Blake and the agent in 2010 is false and dishonest.

Well you better tell ESPN...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...corruption

Quote:In 2015, Blazer was also linked to an investigation of improper cash payments to University of North Carolina football players. A grand jury indicted former Tar Heels player Christopher Hawkins for violating the state's sports agent law by giving money to a UNC player and illegally contacting another about signing a contract. During the investigation, former UNC linebacker Robert Quinn told state investigators that Hawkins gave Quinn money to steer him to Blazer and agent Peter Schaffer, according to court documents. Kendric Burney, the other former UNC player, told investigators that Hawkins arranged and attended Burney's meetings with Blazer and Schaffer.
Hawkins trial was in 2015, payments occurred in 2010. Can be misleading if you just post paid UNC players in 2015.
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(09-28-2017 03:54 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:48 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:31 PM)samandrea Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:23 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(09-28-2017 03:13 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Gave money to Robert Quinn and those guys in 2010, cost Butch Davis his job. UNC punished for the whole John Blake fiasco. This is totally different.

Different better or worse? Not following you.

The guy who was the informant was financial advisor that worked with agent that was paying UNC players in 2010 when Butch Davis was coach. It is completely unrelated to this FBI investigation. Trying to link UNC to the FBI investigation through this guy and his dealing with Blake and the agent in 2010 is false and dishonest.

Well you better tell ESPN...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...corruption

Quote:In 2015, Blazer was also linked to an investigation of improper cash payments to University of North Carolina football players. A grand jury indicted former Tar Heels player Christopher Hawkins for violating the state's sports agent law by giving money to a UNC player and illegally contacting another about signing a contract. During the investigation, former UNC linebacker Robert Quinn told state investigators that Hawkins gave Quinn money to steer him to Blazer and agent Peter Schaffer, according to court documents. Kendric Burney, the other former UNC player, told investigators that Hawkins arranged and attended Burney's meetings with Blazer and Schaffer.
Hawkins trial was in 2015, payments occurred in 2010. Can be misleading if you just post paid UNC players in 2015.

04-cheers The only issue I see is the optics are not good...but agree the Dukie's tweet was misleading.
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