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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
(10-06-2017 08:53 AM)doss2 Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:46 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I never thought I'd say this, but they need Nancy Zimpfer to come in and clean house.

Brilliant! Man I never thought of that. She would be perfect for interim Pres.

She even has red hooker hose.

Seriously, Zimpher would be the best thing that ever happened to UL. They need someone like her, but first they need a board to endorse her to clean house.

You know the more I think about UL,, the angrier I get. They got picked for the ACC, we didn’t. Assuming they are corrupt and UC is not (or are they simply better at it than UC?) UL has been rewarded handsomely for breaking the rules.

I said it then and I’ll say it now. UC was and UC is the better school for the ACC. Period. And I’m not just saying that because I’m
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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
(10-06-2017 07:46 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I never thought I'd say this, but they need Nancy Zimpfer to come in and clean house.

Man, I hate Louisville, but I wouldn't wish her on even them.
 
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(10-06-2017 03:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:46 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I never thought I'd say this, but they need Nancy Zimpfer to come in and clean house.

Man, I hate Louisville, but I wouldn't wish her on even them.

She’s what separated us from being Louisville.
 
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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
(10-06-2017 03:12 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
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(10-06-2017 07:46 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I never thought I'd say this, but they need Nancy Zimpfer to come in and clean house.

Man, I hate Louisville, but I wouldn't wish her on even them.

She’s what separated us from being Louisville.

Agreed. Zimpher was bad for sports, but she was great for the University.

Louisville is in a unique historical position because their academics are in shambles, but they still have the money and political/alumni support to make things right. Someone like Zimpher would be perfect to fix what ails them.
 
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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
I’m torn about UL. I think they deserve the worst. But at the same time, how different are they than any other big time program? So why them?

Also, Urban Meyer and Chris Mack are two coaches who spoke openly condemning this Adidas scandal - which automatically put them on my list of coaches most likely to abuse the system.

I’ve long thought X was recruiting beyond their place in the college basketball world. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see them snared in some controversy.
 
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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
(10-06-2017 04:18 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  I’m torn about UL. I think they deserve the worst. But at the same time, how different are they than any other big time program? So why them?

Also, Urban Meyer and Chris Mack are two coaches who spoke openly condemning this Adidas scandal - which automatically put them on my list of coaches most likely to abuse the system.

I’ve long thought X was recruiting beyond their place in the college basketball world. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see them snared in some controversy.

Which would be amazing. Ken Broo would deliver that news on the 10oclock with tears flowing down his cheeks lol.
 
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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
(10-06-2017 03:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:12 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:46 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I never thought I'd say this, but they need Nancy Zimpfer to come in and clean house.

Man, I hate Louisville, but I wouldn't wish her on even them.

She’s what separated us from being Louisville.

Agreed. Zimpher was bad for sports, but she was great for the University.

Louisville is in a unique historical position because their academics are in shambles, but they still have the money and political/alumni support to make things right. Someone like Zimpher would be perfect to fix what ails them.

Why, because she fired Huggins? Huggins may have posted a decent won-loss record here, but his teams were widely considered to be thuggish, their classroom performance stank, and his very public drinking habits, in spite of the second chance she accorded him, embarrassed the university.

If memory serves, UC's most recent football ascendency flourished during her tenure. It wasn't until Whit Babcock hired a buffoon on his way out the door that things went south, and Nancy Zimpher was long gone before then.

Was she responsible, at the end of her tenure, for the defunding of Olympic sports at UC? I don't know.

I do know that she a had a vision for UC, and that its standing as an institution of higher education improved while she was at the helm.
 
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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
(10-07-2017 06:20 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:12 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:46 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I never thought I'd say this, but they need Nancy Zimpfer to come in and clean house.

Man, I hate Louisville, but I wouldn't wish her on even them.

She’s what separated us from being Louisville.

Agreed. Zimpher was bad for sports, but she was great for the University.

Louisville is in a unique historical position because their academics are in shambles, but they still have the money and political/alumni support to make things right. Someone like Zimpher would be perfect to fix what ails them.

Why, because she fired Huggins? Huggins may have posted a decent won-loss record here, but his teams were widely considered to be thuggish, their classroom performance stank, and his very public drinking habits, in spite of the second chance she accorded him, embarrassed the university.

If memory serves, UC's most recent football ascendency flourished during her tenure. It wasn't until Whit Babcock hired a buffoon on his way out the door that things went south, and Nancy Zimpher was long gone before then.

Was she responsible, at the end of her tenure, for the defunding of Olympic sports at UC? I don't know.

I do know that she a had a vision for UC, and that its standing as an institution of higher education improved while she was at the helm.

Preach!
 
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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
(10-07-2017 06:20 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:12 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:46 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I never thought I'd say this, but they need Nancy Zimpfer to come in and clean house.

Man, I hate Louisville, but I wouldn't wish her on even them.

She’s what separated us from being Louisville.

Agreed. Zimpher was bad for sports, but she was great for the University.

Louisville is in a unique historical position because their academics are in shambles, but they still have the money and political/alumni support to make things right. Someone like Zimpher would be perfect to fix what ails them.

Why, because she fired Huggins? Huggins may have posted a decent won-loss record here, but his teams were widely considered to be thuggish, their classroom performance stank, and his very public drinking habits, in spite of the second chance she accorded him, embarrassed the university.

If memory serves, UC's most recent football ascendency flourished during her tenure. It wasn't until Whit Babcock hired a buffoon on his way out the door that things went south, and Nancy Zimpher was long gone before then.

Was she responsible, at the end of her tenure, for the defunding of Olympic sports at UC? I don't know.

I do know that she a had a vision for UC, and that its standing as an institution of higher education improved while she was at the helm.
Agree 100%. I was at UC when Hugs got fired and when Zimpher left for NY. I didn't care when Hugs was let go and was sad to see Zimpher go, mostly because she was a magnet for rabid t-shirt fans who wanted to cast blame for the painful rebuild process through Kennedy and entering the Big East. She was responsible for a major academic shift at UC and that trend continues today, and was tenured during our most successful run in football. I will appreciate her for doing the right thing and enhancing UC's academic profile and overall reputation (you know, the reason why UC exists in the first place).
 
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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
(10-07-2017 06:20 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:12 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 07:46 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I never thought I'd say this, but they need Nancy Zimpfer to come in and clean house.

Man, I hate Louisville, but I wouldn't wish her on even them.

She’s what separated us from being Louisville.

Agreed. Zimpher was bad for sports, but she was great for the University.

Louisville is in a unique historical position because their academics are in shambles, but they still have the money and political/alumni support to make things right. Someone like Zimpher would be perfect to fix what ails them.

Why, because she fired Huggins? Huggins may have posted a decent won-loss record here, but his teams were widely considered to be thuggish, their classroom performance stank, and his very public drinking habits, in spite of the second chance she accorded him, embarrassed the university.

If memory serves, UC's most recent football ascendency flourished during her tenure. It wasn't until Whit Babcock hired a buffoon on his way out the door that things went south, and Nancy Zimpher was long gone before then.

Was she responsible, at the end of her tenure, for the defunding of Olympic sports at UC? I don't know.

I do know that she a had a vision for UC, and that its standing as an institution of higher education improved while she was at the helm.

Yep. Even if I disagreed with her over firing Hugs (I didn't), I'd still argue that she was the most successful and most important President that UC ever had. Everything that Ono shamelessly tried to take credit for during his brief three year stint was the result of policies put in place by Zimpher. And unlike Ono, she never made absurd promises (AAU, Comprehensive Cancer Center) that she knew she couldn't keep.
 
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Yep. That message doesn't go over well, though.
 
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RE: OT - U of Louisville's had a rough couple of years
(10-08-2017 09:26 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(10-07-2017 06:20 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:43 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:12 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(10-06-2017 03:02 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Man, I hate Louisville, but I wouldn't wish her on even them.

She’s what separated us from being Louisville.

Agreed. Zimpher was bad for sports, but she was great for the University.

Louisville is in a unique historical position because their academics are in shambles, but they still have the money and political/alumni support to make things right. Someone like Zimpher would be perfect to fix what ails them.

Why, because she fired Huggins? Huggins may have posted a decent won-loss record here, but his teams were widely considered to be thuggish, their classroom performance stank, and his very public drinking habits, in spite of the second chance she accorded him, embarrassed the university.

If memory serves, UC's most recent football ascendency flourished during her tenure. It wasn't until Whit Babcock hired a buffoon on his way out the door that things went south, and Nancy Zimpher was long gone before then.

Was she responsible, at the end of her tenure, for the defunding of Olympic sports at UC? I don't know.

I do know that she a had a vision for UC, and that its standing as an institution of higher education improved while she was at the helm.

Yep. Even if I disagreed with her over firing Hugs (I didn't), I'd still argue that she was the most successful and most important President that UC ever had. Everything that Ono shamelessly tried to take credit for during his brief three year stint was the result of policies put in place by Zimpher. And unlike Ono, she never made absurd promises (AAU, Comprehensive Cancer Center) that she knew she couldn't keep.

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The only issue with Z that I had was HOW she fired Huggins (if the reports I heard/read were true that is). Otherwise, she was good for UC in many ways and in the ones that really count the most for an institution of higher learning. The blind Huggs fanboys were the only ones who couldn't or wouldn't see this.

Compare this to UofL situation. We put most of our efforts into bettering the academics, at the same time UofL did the same thing but pumped it into athletics. Now where are things....UofL is on the verge of losing their accreditation and the sports they sold their soluls for are being investigated by the FBI and is a burning house right now. Will they pull out of it? Sure. Will their athletics be ok long term? Most likely. Are they in a great conference making huge money, yep. But at what cost? Their academics are HORRIBLE. Its basically turned into a minor league sports multiplex. That isn't our mission, nor would I be proud of my alma mater if it were. UC has done things right. We have put money into sports, but more effort into academics. Both have risen. And I couldn't be happier with our coaches (CLF and Mick).

I do get tired of seeing our fb team skull dragged, but this is a multi year build so we need to just accept it. I think CLF gets it turned around in a few years. Mick has it going right now and I can't wait for hoops.

As an alumni, I'm proud of UC. If I had a UofL degree, I would be embarrassed as heck in multiple ways all the while hoping my school doesn't lose its accreditation...while the FBI investigates the athletics.


Well, that was a rant. Just my opinion too.
 
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I never had an issue about her right to fire Hugs. My issue always was the timing. In business before I fired a person I always had a plan to insure the function they performed would not suffer or would only suffer a small amount for a short time.

She had no workable plan or did not care.
 
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(10-08-2017 10:37 AM)doss2 Wrote:  I never had an issue about her right to fire Hugs. My issue always was the timing. In business before I fired a person I always had a plan to insure the function they performed would not suffer or would only suffer a small amount for a short time.

She had no workable plan or did not care.

I don't think zimpher technically fired him, I thought she (and the BOT) simply stopped the automatic rollover and he resigned with a negotiated settlement.
 
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There was a termination letter.
 
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(10-08-2017 10:54 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 10:37 AM)doss2 Wrote:  I never had an issue about her right to fire Hugs. My issue always was the timing. In business before I fired a person I always had a plan to insure the function they performed would not suffer or would only suffer a small amount for a short time.

She had no workable plan or did not care.

I don't think zimpher technically fired him, I thought she (and the BOT) simply stopped the automatic rollover and he resigned with a negotiated settlement.

I once had all the correspondence between Huggins and UC during that summer of 2005. I threw it out years ago, not realizing it would still be discussed 12 years later.

The timing had as much to do with Huggins as it did UC. In May 2005, Huggins said he was staying and would abide by the contract. Then behind the scenes, he spent the summer telling UC it was unworkable and couldn’t do it, while using the media to put pressure on the administration to change its mind.

This went on all summer. UC said it was they were not going to extend Huggins’ contract; Huggins said he wasn’t going to work without the extension. Finally, around August 8, UC said ENOUGH! They told Huggins that if he was unwilling to work without the extension, he was going to be terminated - which is what they did.

Huggins acted all surprised to the media, but in reality he was amply warned and he knew it was coming.

UC should have simply ripped the bandaid off in May 2005 and fired him outright. Letting him linger through the summer was a hugely awful miscalculation from which I’m not sure we have fully recovered.
 
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Pretty amazing how many people all of a sudden like Zimpher after seeing what an AD running amok can cause.
 
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(10-08-2017 11:25 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  Pretty amazing how many people all of a sudden like Zimpher after seeing what an AD running amok can cause.

For the record, when she handed me my diploma in 2008, I told her that I was a big fan of what she had done for University.

I still think the Huggins situation was very poorly handled, but that's a minor issue compared to everything else she did.
 
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