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(09-29-2017 03:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Admittedly playing devils advocate, but also being objective, but shouldn't he finish in the top 4 before being paid in the top 4.

If you pay him top 4 money and he doesn't reach that goal, you are setting up the administration with a legitimate reason to terminate him.

The counter argument is if you consider the value he's created in the football program, top 4 money is underpaid. I think you could argue no one in UAB history is directly and indirectly responsible for more money coming into the university in such a short time than Clark

(09-29-2017 03:46 PM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Admittedly playing devils advocate, but also being objective, but shouldn't he finish in the top 4 before being paid in the top 4.

If you pay him top 4 money and he doesn't reach that goal, you are setting up the administration with a legitimate reason to terminate him.

The counter argument is if you consider the value he's created in the football program, top 4 money is underpaid. I think you could argue no one in UAB history is directly and indirectly responsible for more money coming into the university in such a short time than Clark

I agree with that. I just wouldn't use the top 4 criteria. It creates an expectation to finish top 4 to justify the salary. While that expectation may be there, it shouldn't be mentioned with salary.

(09-29-2017 03:50 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:46 PM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Admittedly playing devils advocate, but also being objective, but shouldn't he finish in the top 4 before being paid in the top 4.

If you pay him top 4 money and he doesn't reach that goal, you are setting up the administration with a legitimate reason to terminate him.

The counter argument is if you consider the value he's created in the football program, top 4 money is underpaid. I think you could argue no one in UAB history is directly and indirectly responsible for more money coming into the university in such a short time than Clark

I agree with that. I just wouldn't use the top 4 criteria. It creates an expectation to finish top 4 to justify the salary. While that expectation may be there, it shouldn't be mentioned with salary.

I think you have to have some criteria relative to peer institutions. That's about all there is.

(09-29-2017 03:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:50 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:46 PM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Admittedly playing devils advocate, but also being objective, but shouldn't he finish in the top 4 before being paid in the top 4.

If you pay him top 4 money and he doesn't reach that goal, you are setting up the administration with a legitimate reason to terminate him.

The counter argument is if you consider the value he's created in the football program, top 4 money is underpaid. I think you could argue no one in UAB history is directly and indirectly responsible for more money coming into the university in such a short time than Clark

I agree with that. I just wouldn't use the top 4 criteria. It creates an expectation to finish top 4 to justify the salary. While that expectation may be there, it shouldn't be mentioned with salary.

I think you have to have some criteria relative to peer institutions. That's about all there is.

From my perspective top 4 criteria is an absolute steal

I wonder if we're holding a spot in 2020 open in hopes of the stadium opening that year and bringing a big name in for an opener?

Yep, I'm sure that is what Ingram is thinking.

(09-29-2017 05:08 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  I wonder if we're holding a spot in 2020 open in hopes of the stadium opening that year and bringing a big name in for an opener?

We can hope right?

(09-28-2017 01:20 PM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 01:13 PM)jcduncan13 Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:53 PM)BirminghamJoseph2770 Wrote:  Samford is pretty close to Home. Should play every year could be the Birmingham Game. Think we had a fine man coach both teams.

We need to play them, Jacksonville State, Alabama State, and Alabama A&M again in future schedules.

UNA is moving to D-1 starting next season. We should try to set up a game with them, too.

I'd also like to see the Troy series resume.

UNA is having trouble filling their schedule too. They average a good number at their home games and would likely travel well. This is a game I'd like to see.

I'd love to see us play UNA

I'd rather play Jax State or Samford over UNA. But I'm not opposed to playing UNA as long as they are FCS.

(09-29-2017 03:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Admittedly playing devils advocate, but also being objective, but shouldn't he finish in the top 4 before being paid in the top 4.

If you pay him top 4 money and he doesn't reach that goal, you are setting up the administration with a legitimate reason to terminate him.

While I would, in general, agree with that.

The argument could be made that had he not been hired under false pretenses and would have been allowed to do what he can do instead of being handed a 2 year setback (that saw us effectively give away multiple future NFL players) he would already be in the top 4.

I also think, record aside, you can easily make the case for him being a top 4 coach in CUSA. Surely there are other criteria that matter.

(09-29-2017 03:53 PM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:52 PM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:50 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:46 PM)biglizard Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Admittedly playing devils advocate, but also being objective, but shouldn't he finish in the top 4 before being paid in the top 4.

If you pay him top 4 money and he doesn't reach that goal, you are setting up the administration with a legitimate reason to terminate him.

The counter argument is if you consider the value he's created in the football program, top 4 money is underpaid. I think you could argue no one in UAB history is directly and indirectly responsible for more money coming into the university in such a short time than Clark

I agree with that. I just wouldn't use the top 4 criteria. It creates an expectation to finish top 4 to justify the salary. While that expectation may be there, it shouldn't be mentioned with salary.

I think you have to have some criteria relative to peer institutions. That's about all there is.

From my perspective top 4 criteria is an absolute steal

Coaches are paid according to what other coaches in similar schools are making. Mich., Bama, Ohio State and others set the bar for their group. Last year the Auburn coach was listed as #14 in salary and still made over $4 million. The top coaches are running major entertainment businesses and are paid accordingly within our entertainment driven cultural value system. A new set of millionaire athletes are spawned into pro sports every year and they too are paid according to what others like them make.

The same applies to "midmajor" coaches whose schools don't have those $100 million annual budgets. For such ADs, it can turn into a "crap shoot" as to what pay level will keep their own coach happy.

(09-30-2017 09:25 AM)jcduncan13 Wrote:  I'd rather play Jax State or Samford over UNA. But I'm not opposed to playing UNA as long as they are FCS.

They'll be FCS starting next fall. Members of Big South Conference in football, Atlantic Sun in all other sports.

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UPDATE: Georgia will pay UAB a $1.8 million guarantee for the game.

(09-30-2017 04:26 PM)iam4uab Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Admittedly playing devils advocate, but also being objective, but shouldn't he finish in the top 4 before being paid in the top 4.

If you pay him top 4 money and he doesn't reach that goal, you are setting up the administration with a legitimate reason to terminate him.

While I would, in general, agree with that.

The argument could be made that had he not been hired under false pretenses and would have been allowed to do what he can do instead of being handed a 2 year setback (that saw us effectively give away multiple future NFL players) he would already be in the top 4.

I also think, record aside, you can easily make the case for him being a top 4 coach in CUSA. Surely there are other criteria that matter.

Sooo was he top four that year he had the NFL prosoects

I just pray to never have to duplicate the 1961 opening season game at Sanford Stadium. The sun was beating down on a terribly hot and breezeless day, the two end zone concession stands (the only ones in the stadium) ran out of ice well before half time and there were no water fountains. Fans became so desperate that groups had to guard their (iceless) colas they bought by the flat as they made their way back to their friends to protect them from other fans. There may have been worse and more brutal games somewhere, but I'm glad to have never been to those.

Some people are just FN stupid. Bill Clark took over a team that was freaking defeated, in every sense of the word. The players he inherited had been jerked around for two years by McGee. The upper classmen had suffered through 1-2 years of NFC before that. Clark took a group guys whose spirit had pretty much been broken, and over one summer turned them into an actual football team. A team that played with pride and passion, who believed in themselves, in each other, and above all in their coach. He did this despite rumors that the football program was going to be shut down, rumors that turned out to be true, and all of the distractions that caused.

He hung around at UAB after the program was shut down to help lead the fight to bring it back. He did this despite the fact that he had to suffer being micromanaged and jerked around every day by an athletic director who was hired to run him off and keep football dead.

Anyone doubting his ability to coach or questioning his loyalty to his players after all the **** that he went through to help bring this program back from the dead can go post that bull**** somewhere else. Screw top 4 in CUSA, there are not 4 coaches in the country I would replace him with.

(10-03-2017 05:12 PM)BlazerMatt Wrote:  Some people are just FN stupid. Bill Clark took over a team that was freaking defeated, in every sense of the word. The players he inherited had been jerked around for two years by McGee. The upper classmen had suffered through 1-2 years of NFC before that. Clark took a group guys whose spirit had pretty much been broken, and over one summer turned them into an actual football team. A team that played with pride and passion, who believed in themselves, in each other, and above all in their coach. He did this despite rumors that the football program was going to be shut down, rumors that turned out to be true, and all of the distractions that caused.

He hung around at UAB after the program was shut down to help lead the fight to bring it back. He did this despite the fact that he had to suffer being micromanaged and jerked around every day by an athletic director who was hired to run him off and keep football dead.

Anyone doubting his ability to coach or questioning his loyalty to his players after all the **** that he went through to help bring this program back from the dead can go post that bull**** somewhere else. Screw top 4 in CUSA, there are not 4 coaches in the country I would replace him with.

Amen!

(10-03-2017 05:03 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  I just pray to never have to duplicate the 1961 opening season game at Sanford Stadium. The sun was beating down on a terribly hot and breezeless day, the two end zone concession stands (the only ones in the stadium) ran out of ice well before half time and there were no water fountains. Fans became so desperate that groups had to guard their (iceless) colas they bought by the flat as they made their way back to their friends to protect them from other fans. There may have been worse and more brutal games somewhere, but I'm glad to have never been to those.

I guess that wasnt the "flea-flicker" game when the Dawgs pulled off the big upset against the Tide, cause that game was a gorgeous fall day that was only made more perfect by the outcome of the struggle between Vince Dooley's Junkyard Dawgs and Bryant's supposededly unbeatable team.

(10-03-2017 05:46 PM)Jball Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 05:12 PM)BlazerMatt Wrote:  Some people are just FN stupid. Bill Clark took over a team that was freaking defeated, in every sense of the word. The players he inherited had been jerked around for two years by McGee. The upper classmen had suffered through 1-2 years of NFC before that. Clark took a group guys whose spirit had pretty much been broken, and over one summer turned them into an actual football team. A team that played with pride and passion, who believed in themselves, in each other, and above all in their coach. He did this despite rumors that the football program was going to be shut down, rumors that turned out to be true, and all of the distractions that caused.

He hung around at UAB after the program was shut down to help lead the fight to bring it back. He did this despite the fact that he had to suffer being micromanaged and jerked around every day by an athletic director who was hired to run him off and keep football dead.

Anyone doubting his ability to coach or questioning his loyalty to his players after all the **** that he went through to help bring this program back from the dead can go post that bull**** somewhere else. Screw top 4 in CUSA, there are not 4 coaches in the country I would replace him with.

Amen!

Amen!