Ironically, Shaver goes to Louisville so they can show they are serious about getting clean, and Pitino would come to WM for a absolution and redemption of sorts. Won't happen, except in the world of Disney, but ironic none the less.

(09-28-2017 10:43 PM)Tribal Wrote:  He doesn't play by the same rules, Rocco. This is precisely why he's in trouble and most other coaches are preparing for the 2017-2018 season. I hope this clears it up for you.

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You're being naive if you think Pitino is the lone dirty coach. This is how sausage gets made at the big boy schools. He's in trouble because he got caught.

(09-29-2017 06:51 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:43 PM)Tribal Wrote:  He doesn't play by the same rules, Rocco. This is precisely why he's in trouble and most other coaches are preparing for the 2017-2018 season. I hope this clears it up for you.

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You're being naive if you think Pitino is the lone dirty coach. This is how sausage gets made at the big boy schools. He's in trouble because he got caught.

This...

It's only cheating if you get caught. Otherwise it's just "competitive advantage"

I'm pretty sure coach Cal didn't get UMass to the final 4 simply due to his fantastic coaching and magnetic recruiting personality.

(09-29-2017 07:13 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 06:51 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:43 PM)Tribal Wrote:  He doesn't play by the same rules, Rocco. This is precisely why he's in trouble and most other coaches are preparing for the 2017-2018 season. I hope this clears it up for you.

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You're being naive if you think Pitino is the lone dirty coach. This is how sausage gets made at the big boy schools. He's in trouble because he got caught.

This...

It's only cheating if you get caught. Otherwise it's just "competitive advantage"

I'm pretty sure coach Cal didn't get UMass to the final 4 simply due to his fantastic coaching and magnetic recruiting personality.

According to the NCAA Cal never took UMass to the Final 4.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/09/sports...ml?mcubz=3

(09-29-2017 07:35 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 07:13 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 06:51 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:43 PM)Tribal Wrote:  He doesn't play by the same rules, Rocco. This is precisely why he's in trouble and most other coaches are preparing for the 2017-2018 season. I hope this clears it up for you.

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You're being naive if you think Pitino is the lone dirty coach. This is how sausage gets made at the big boy schools. He's in trouble because he got caught.

This...

It's only cheating if you get caught. Otherwise it's just "competitive advantage"

I'm pretty sure coach Cal didn't get UMass to the final 4 simply due to his fantastic coaching and magnetic recruiting personality.

According to the NCAA Cal never took UMass to the Final 4.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/09/sports...ml?mcubz=3

Did I say he's the lone dirty coach? Did I?

I thought you lawyers were supposed to dissect words in sentences to unveil the truth, not totally misinterpret them to support your argument...oh wait

Latest rumor out of an ESPN report: as many as 100 coaches (head and asst.) could end up being caught up in this investigation.
That is HUGE.

(09-29-2017 12:48 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 07:35 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 07:13 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 06:51 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:43 PM)Tribal Wrote:  He doesn't play by the same rules, Rocco. This is precisely why he's in trouble and most other coaches are preparing for the 2017-2018 season. I hope this clears it up for you.

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You're being naive if you think Pitino is the lone dirty coach. This is how sausage gets made at the big boy schools. He's in trouble because he got caught.

This...

It's only cheating if you get caught. Otherwise it's just "competitive advantage"

I'm pretty sure coach Cal didn't get UMass to the final 4 simply due to his fantastic coaching and magnetic recruiting personality.

According to the NCAA Cal never took UMass to the Final 4.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/09/sports...ml?mcubz=3

Did I say he's the lone dirty coach? Did I?

I thought you lawyers were supposed to dissect words in sentences to unveil the truth, not totally misinterpret them to support your argument...oh wait

Yes, somehow "he doesn't play the same rules" means something other than he doesn't play by the same rules. Either he's clean and everyone else is dirty, or everyone else is dirty and he's dirtier.

Okay, I'll slow it down for you:

You said, "Because he plays by the same rules everyone else in a dirty world plays by?"

I said, "He doesn't play by the same rules."

This is evidenced by the lengthy record dating back to at least Hawaii where he has cheated (not to mention cheating on his wife and knocking up a co-ed).

No one has cheated like Pitino. No one. Of 351 head coaches in NCAA-1, name one coach with his track record of cheating, lying, and bad behavior.

So, I'm sorry, but he doesn't play by the same rules as everyone else.

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(09-29-2017 03:24 PM)Tribal Wrote:  No one has cheated like Pitino. No one. Of 351 head coaches in NCAA-1, name one coach with his track record of cheating, lying, and bad behavior.


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John Calipari has had two Final Four trips vacated.

Perhaps a better question would be if one would want a final four trip that ends up being vacated ten years later?

(09-29-2017 03:54 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  Perhaps a better question would be if one would want a final four trip that ends up being vacated ten years later?

I woudn't want a final four trip vacated, but 10 years after the fact, most of the tangible benefits are done- Big NCAA money is already spent. The kids you recruited from the uptick in recruiting have graduated. However, they aren't going to boot you from the bigger conference that came calling after that bid you received.

It would only be reflected in the record books. The coach in question will probably long since moved on.

I would burn all of my green and gold gear, hell I might even burn my W&M diploma, and I would take up rooting for (shudders) UVA if we hired that scumbag.

Of course, I grew up in a University of Kentucky household where "Pitino" was synonymous with "Satan", so I might have a bit of a biased view :) Needless to say, this week has been...memorable.

(09-30-2017 04:59 AM)TheBigBass Wrote:  I would burn all of my green and gold gear, hell I might even burn my W&M diploma, and I would take up rooting for (shudders) UVA if we hired that scumbag.

Of course, I grew up in a University of Kentucky household where "Pitino" was synonymous with "Satan", so I might have a bit of a biased view :) Needless to say, this week has been...memorable.

Yeah, when all is said and done I'm not sure UK and Calipari escape this one unscathed.

(09-30-2017 07:19 AM)hktribefan Wrote:  

(09-30-2017 04:59 AM)TheBigBass Wrote:  I would burn all of my green and gold gear, hell I might even burn my W&M diploma, and I would take up rooting for (shudders) UVA if we hired that scumbag.

Of course, I grew up in a University of Kentucky household where "Pitino" was synonymous with "Satan", so I might have a bit of a biased view :) Needless to say, this week has been...memorable.

Yeah, when all is said and done I'm not sure UK and Calipari escape this one unscathed.

I'm not going to say that there's no chance something like this isn't going on at UK, because 1) there's no way to know and 2) players at big programs like Kentucky often get perks in some form or another, though I'd say there's a huge difference between, say, a sweetheart deal from the local Chevy dealership vs. hookers & $100K checks. That said, I really don't think Calipari needs to offer kids $100K checks because he is already telling them "come with me and I will get you a $X million NBA contract, or $Y million more than you would've gotten coming out of anywhere else", and it works. Cal realized that he can effectively offer guys more in potential NBA earnings than a bag man could ever put together, and he's turned it into a Big Blue Machine in Lexington. One can call that scummy if they want, or not in the spirit of amateur college athletics, but is it really that different from the folks that go through the business school at W&M angling for those lucrative consulting / banking gigs?

BB. You need to post more often. You sound like you get it

As a UK fan, that's what we've been telling ourselves. The first couple (Wall in particular) might have been a little fishy, but once he got the express train to the NBA going, it's an easy sell for the top players. It forced the rest of the country to adjust, most notably Duke and UNC, who were reluctant to get one and dones for a while. UK certainly has more NBA draft picks than anywhere else since Calipari started: 17 lottery picks alone.